RELIGOUS FOLKS OF SNET QUESTION

[The_Emperior5]

surrender walaal...you will only get a big headache

those two are sects of sunnism..though sufis r not exclusive to sunnism..and can be found even among the shia..albeit in smaller quantities.

just be a Muslim and take the good from everywhere ...both sects have their share of nutcases wallahi..


We all have commonalities ..focus on them rather than the differences...and reject anything that is *exclusive* to them....and reject any attempts at conversion.


I am not a Sufi.. BUT my local Masjid follow the Naqshabandi Sufi tariqah i went there with an open mind and it was an exhilarating experience and they were NOT dancing around or anything ...we prayed Maghrib (the same Maghrib EVERY Muslim prays)...after that we read many surahs..made salawaat on the Nabi (they introduce drums at this stage)...read a lot of Dhikr..tahliil tasbiih etc...repeated the 99 names of Allah etc.However if they asked me to make a pledge of allegiance to their Shaykh Nazim..i would answer with an emphatic NO.Muslim is good enough for me.Alhamdullilah no one asked me what i was..no one asked me to be a sufi..noone told me i was misguided....we all sat in a circle and i joined in.



wallahi when i left there..i thought to myself...how come i have never done anything like this before?..you should all try it.



Im cool with all sects even Shias (dont agree with them on some things but they are my fellow Muslim brethren)...however i must say i dislike Salafis as a **group** <<take note pls more than other sect

i agree with every word you said

[surrender]

thanks kolombo, shirib elan and emprior! but the reason i asked is because i know few people who are somlis btw, who keep saying things like salafi this sufi that! im just confused walahi. these days so any diferent sects, and i dont even know the difference between them! a "sister" and i quote asked which sect i belong, i was like i pray and follow porphet muhhamed as much a i can. i didnt know what else to say. people are making the religion harder than it is!! not good

[Somaliman50]

Follow the way of the Salaf us Salih

[The_Emperior5]

Jus stay i am muslim and folow the sunnah of the prophet and the hadiths you will be just fine.
Group la isku ma darro.

[Enlightened~Sista]

surrender walaal...dont lose sleep over it..what does Allah say in the Qur'an


As for those who divide

Their religion and break up

Into sects, thou hast

No part in them in the least:

Their affair is with Allah:

He will in the end

Tell them the truth

Of all that they did."

[Al-Qur'an 6:159]





"Who is better in speech

Than one who calls (men)

To Allah, works righteousness,

And says, ‘I am of those

Who bow in Islam (Muslim)?' "

[Al-Qur'an 41:33]


Allah s.w.t says those who call themselves MUSLIMS are BETTER.

[surrender]

thanks ES. us musims have hit the ultimate low! we got our eyes open yet closed! our religion is already been devided by galo. brother against brother, and we still dont learn our lesson!

hmmm but i do always wonder how does a feel to belong in this "sisterhood/brotherhood" sects?!

[Murax]

They claim any government is better than no government. They are a mouth-piece for the Saudi government. .

And common logic suggests that too Inadeer

[Shilling]

Religious folks are religious to the core; they utter words that are blessing to ones ear; rather then going to a concert they instead go to the Mosque, and so on and so forth. Hyper

As for the question presented here, there is no such term as Salafi in Islam. This term can only be applied for the first three centuries of Islam, called a-Salafu-saleh. After that, the term was not used until 1980, when, in an attempt to increase his religious legitimacy, King Fahd at the opening of a conference said, "We are not Wahhabis; we are Salafis." Now, this term is being used to describe all these new and different radical Muslim groups today in Somalia and abroad.

As for "Sufism," explaining the term "Sufism" is itself one of the chief obstacles in any discussion of Sufism today. This is because of the wide variety of groups, beliefs and practices the term has come to represent. Although many individuals today identify themselves as "Sufi," it should not be assumed that they have any formal or even informal affiliation with Islam. For example, one may belong to a Rumi reading group or to an eclectic New Age movement inspired by Sufi ideas or practices but have no substantive connection with the traditional Sufism that is so firmly rooted in traditional Islamic faith and practice.

Yet, despite the tenuous connection to Islam exhibited by individual practitioners, Sufism is said to be regarded as quintessentially Islamic, as it is impossible to conceive of Islam without the core value systematically celebrated by Sufism - the value of righteousness, or "al-ihsan." This righteousness is understood to be the "inner awareness or mental orientation that strives to place every moment of one's life in the presence of God, an awareness unobstructed by ego, vain imaginings, preoccupations with the past or the future, and worldly distractions."

[Basra-]

Ok...guys my brains hurting, i dont usually participate in heavy topics like religion, politics, qabils etc etc but i just read a few of the beginning posts. surrrender, Great question post by the way. So if Salaafi basically the descendants of three generation of our Prophet SAW close companion or ummah-- then why are salaafi treated as a sector of Islam? Shouldnt these descendant be no more than 'elite aristocratic' lineage and not a dhiin lineage? What am i missing here?

By the way i believe in the sector where our Prophet SAW is beloved, revered but not put on a pedestal equal to Allaah. Subhaanh waa tacaalaah. Lets not forget out prophet SAW was a messenger of ALLAAH, lets concetrate our energe, love, worship to Allaaah Subhaanaah waa tacaalaah alone.

[Shilling]

Basra,

The term "a-Salafu-saleh" can only be applied for the first three centuries of Islam because they were pure at heart...ever since the death of prophet Mohamed (pbuh) though, their ranks have been infiltrated, they were either poisoned or driven underground by forces known and unknown, and to this day their direct descendants are in hiding namely "Imam Mahdi" and to put it bluntly his the only hope the Muslim world has. So till his arrival I think it best Muslims lay low and not follow the advice of the fake Salafis (best known as Wahabis) whom are dividing the Muslim world even further.

A sheikh comparing the two traditions (Sufism and Wahabism) behavior at the beginning of the 20th century said: "when the Wahhabis took the lead in order to interpret the holy Quran to motivate the Muslims against the British, they were also seeing the slow collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which would leave a vacuum that they wanted to fill. To do this, they wanted to control the House of Saud and, through it, the Muslim world." However, said the sheikh, "Sufis see the world not in terms of political control, but rather in terms of social problems such as health and education." With the age of colonialism over, the sheikh concluded, Sufis can "play a big role in establishing bridges between different cultures, different communities, and different countries. Most especially, they can allow Islam to flourish without the domination of particular countries. If Sufis are given the chance, and the encouragement, they will be able to achieve much in the way of peace.

[Jesteye]

The Salaf were the first 3 generations of the Muslims i.e. The sahaba, tabi'un and the ones who came after them. The Prophet (saw) said they were the best generations of his ummah. Today, you have 2 groups that call themselves either Salafi Jihad or Salafi-Jadiid (The neo-Salafis)/Salifiyuun, but they are not the actual Salafis, they are imitators.

Salafi Jihad are groups like Al-Qaeda and even Al-shabaab, because they see themselves as fighting fisabililah and their aim is to establish a Muslim caliphate. To them anyone who stands in their way even if that person is a Muslim can be killed, as long as the main goal is achieved.

Their opposite are Salafi-Jadiid who are also known as Madkhalis, named after a Saudi Sheikh called Rabee' Al-Madkhali who founded them in the early 90s. They discourage political Islam and Jihad. They claim any government is better than no government. They are a mouth-piece for the Saudi government.

Sufis and Salafis are both Sunnis, but they are very different from each other. Salafis are closer to the correct teachings of Islam, eventhough they have many flaws in their manhaj. Sufis came about 400 years after the Prophet's death (saw). They are mostly deviants who take part in many non-Islamic practices e.g. grave worshipping, praying to dead "awliyah" i.e. friends of Allah for favors, etc.

Propaganda.

[surrender]

thanks for that shilling and basra!!

so let me get this straight-

SALFIS are same as WAHABIS there isnt such thing as "salfi" and shouldnt be, as that term can only be applied for the first three centuries of Islam who are Muhammad's companions, and the two succeeding generations after them, the Tabi‘in and the Taba‘ at-Tabi‘in, as examples of how Islam should be practiced. This principle is derived from the following Sunni hadith (tradition) attributed to Muhammad: so they shouldnt really use it!!!

The people of my generation are the best, then those who follow them, and then those who follow the latter (i.e. the first three generations of Muslims).Bukhari 3:48:819 and 820

SUFISIM is a sect within sunni that believes it is possible to draw closer to God and to more fully embrace the Divine Presence in this life. similar to Budhist.

the seeker may be led to abandon all notions of dualism or multiplicity, including a conception of an individual self, and to realize the Divine Unity.

certain Sufi practices are considered incompatible with Islam.

[Buhodle-Gurl]

Great thread Surrender. I always wanted to know the difference.

[surrender]

thanks BG. but you avator!!!!!!!!! wtf!? what happened to the cute baby?

[Buhodle-Gurl]

He's cute. in a creepy way.