Why Is It Ogaden That Only Fights For Western Somalia?

[hanqadh]

Ninyahow doqon baa tahay...Kililka is a product of ethiopia trying to please ogadeenka not isaaq and hell no your langaab.
ta kale dagaalkastoo xoriyad ah, dadna waa gobanimo doon qaarna waa kuwa qaloocsan...taasi waa tariikhi.
laakiin axmuq baa iska tahay sanbacnimadu markasto wax so qortid bay kasii dartaa....dhulka whether in occupation or xoriyad
it will controlled by dadka ooguu badan ooguna dhul balaadhan.
meshaad is qoraysid waxaa ka badan ciise iyo hawiye, iyo absamaha kale...dhul aadan wax benefit ah kaasoo galaynin has isku dhibin.



This thread is cynical...

[The Magnificent]

I wonder why the Ogaden are safer in Hawiyedom than they are in Kabolaxoox land

Because Ogaden are Pro-Hawiye.. Daarood can't stand those that betray.

[hanqadh]

Magnificent what is daarood?....The only darood union that ever existed is MOD

you betrayed sayid maxamed, you betrayed siyad barre.


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[The Magnificent]

Magnificent what is daarood?....The only darood union that ever existed is MOD

you betrayed sayid maxamed, you betrayed siyad barre.

Daarood is a clan that has fought for Islam and Somalia since the beginning of its birth. What is Isxaq? Is Isxaq-clan irir? OR Binu Hashim? Or Xabaashi? Or Oromo? Or a confederacy?

[AbdiWahab252]

Handaqh,

The MJs killed the wadaad Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke (AUN) because they were angry at him for telling them to stop being greedy

[The Magnificent]

Handaqh,

The MJs killed the wadaad Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke (AUN) because they were angry at him for telling them to stop being greedy

Listen, you illigitimate Jareer child, President Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke was killed by his own cousin. It was a political motivation, not qabil motivation. But who am I kidding, what does Hawiye know about politics and qabil?

[The_Emperior5]

Ninyahow doqon baa tahay...Kililka is a product of ethiopia trying to please ogadeenka not isaaq and hell no your langaab.
ta kale dagaalkastoo xoriyad ah, dadna waa gobanimo doon qaarna waa kuwa qaloocsan...taasi waa tariikhi.
laakiin axmuq baa iska tahay sanbacnimadu markasto wax so qortid bay kasii dartaa....dhulka whether in occupation or xoriyad
it will controlled by dadka ooguu badan ooguna dhul balaadhan.
meshaad is qoraysid waxaa ka badan ciise iyo hawiye, iyo absamaha kale...dhul aadan wax benefit ah kaasoo galaynin has isku dhibin.



This thread is cynical...

hada la idinku pleasgerenayo maad iska diidaan oo aad xililka aad uu haysiin iska dhiibtaan laakin ma samayn karta taass, idinka la isku kiiin jabiinaya anagu waxanu ka nahay kilinka waad ogtahay waxanu ka soo noqonay dulka baxaada weyn eeh anu daganahay na waad ogtahay marka adeer hadaad anigu onlftada kula duulin xaqiirada joojii, siidad imika ku socottiid ayaad laangabobaysa maxa ku diiday inad Ethiopia xiil adag ka soo qabbatiid intad hub la war wareegeysiid , ileen imika 25 sannadood bay onlf jirtay wax guuli na lama hayo oo aan ahayn tuulloyin baanu ku dul war wareegna. marka ka soo fakiir waxad is weydiisa maxay ogadenku dawlada kilinka shanaad ugu jiiira oo ay ii soo raacii wayaan.

[CoolPoisons]

Rer Cisman are ONLF

They're the only Marehan subclan who fight with the Cagdhers

[Xamud.]

Hanaqadh
Magnificent waa sheegato don`t address him inadeer.

[Faranacab]

Why Is It Ogaden That Only Fights For Western Somalia?

I am not sure if calling western Somalia is politically right now, however, today and this current time Ogadenia is being fought by almost all of its patriotic sons (& daughters), regardless of their tribes! The sons & daughters of the Ogaden tribe may be major ones, but it's not only them who fight for the freedom & independence of Ogadenia.

Who fights for his/her freedom in the first place? Patriotic men( & women) or a short sighted pay-out?

Maalintay Jigjiga xorowdo, Berbera iyo Boosaasona way ku xigi doonaan!( ugu yaraan caydha & gaajada ayey ka xoroobi doonaan )

[zingii]

Why Is It Ogaden That Only Fights For Western Somalia?

Maybe if the clan name was dropped things would have been different.

like, somali-galbeed, then maybe for somalinimo others would have joined in large numbers and it wouldn't have taken this long.

[Queen_Arawello]

Why Is It Ogaden That Only Fights For Western Somalia?

Maybe if the clan name was dropped things would have been different.

like, somali-galbeed, then maybe for somalinimo others would have joined in large numbers and it wouldn't have taken this long.

Walalo it's has nothing to do with the name of the region, Somalis are xaasidin..It's a shame individuals like you place more emphasis on the 'O ' and ignore the extent of what the Ethiopian army are doing to the civilians of that region..hal suaal bal ka jawaab:Somali Galbeed xagey map ka aduunka kaga jirtaa? The region is NOT located in Somalia and it is it will not be named Somaligalbeed, naming the region somaligalbeed will reinforce ideas that the ONLF is fighting to reunite with Somalia. Doing so will make it seem like the ONLF is opting to seperate from Ethiopia to create Greater Somalia, which will cause negative reaction from the international community, thus forcing them to lose credibility for their cause. This is a war between Ethiopia and the ONLF. A war between the people in the region and a tyrannical regime.This is how the world perceives it and the ONLF is not going to jeopardize that by naming themselves "Somaligalbeed national liberation front" or anything in reference to Somalia as a means of pleasing people like u..stop using the name of the region as an excuse to oppose the struggle and be a man about it. You and others cannot stand the fact that the Ogaden clan is named after a region, cry me a river ..We all know division is an advantage for the occupier and as long as individuals like urself and groups of people that are against the 'O' name exist, the occupier will penetrate us even further[/color]

[Abdi-Halim]

Queen Arawelo, there is no point fighting ethiopia considered the strongest army in east-africa. It is better to do it politically, believe me u can achieve your aims politically just as effective then thru the barrel of a gun. Look at eritrea and the tactic they used to get separation? they removed the amhara and put all their money and resources into helping a tigray(meles) get into power in 91. They then asked meles to give them separation after-all they helped him get in power and meles returned the favor and granted eritrea a divorce. That is when eritrea got recognized. When someone wants to separate u need both parties to acknowledge it, u can't just have 1 way divorce, u need the authorization of the person u r divorcing also. Or you won't get anywhere.

My clan learnt fighting doesn't solv e anything but just eventuates the war, we positioned ourselves to create a system for the nation "federalism" fund it and back it and get as many tribes to join and get what we want for our ppl thru political means. And have hawiye go battle their brothers in the south who don't want to join the recognized system of the land

So u can continue the war against the ethiopian government, but i doubt it will be effective...all we can say is inQueen Arawelo, there is no point fighting ethiopia considered the strongest army in east-africa. It is better to do it politically, believe me u can achieve your aims politically just as effective then thru the barrel of a gun. Look at eritrea and the tactic they used to get separation? they removed the amhara and put all their money and resources into helping a tigray(meles) get into power in 91. They then asked meles to give them separation after-all they helped him get in power and meles returned the favor and granted eritrea a divorce. That is when eritrea got recognized. When someone wants to separate u need both parties to acknowledge it, u can't just have 1 way divorce, u need the authorization of the person u r divorcing also. Or you won't get anywhere.

My clan learnt fighting doesn't solv e anything but just eventuates the war, we positioned ourselves to create a system for the nation "federalism" fund it and back it and get as many tribes to join and get what we want for our ppl thru political means. And have hawiye go battle their brothers in the south who don't want to join the recognized system of the land
k
So u can continue the war against the ethiopian government, but i doubt it will be effective...all we can say is inshallah and good luck.

[zingii]

Why Is It Ogaden That Only Fights For Western Somalia?

Maybe if the clan name was dropped things would have been different.

like, somali-galbeed, then maybe for somalinimo others would have joined in large numbers and it wouldn't have taken this long.

Walalo it's has nothing to do with the name of the region, Somalis are xaasidin..It's a shame individuals like you place more emphasis on the 'O ' and ignore the extent of what the Ethiopian army are doing to the civilians of that region..hal suaal bal ka jawaab:Somali Galbeed xagey map ka aduunka kaga jirtaa? The region is NOT located in Somalia and it is it will not be named Somaligalbeed, naming the region somaligalbeed will reinforce ideas that the ONLF is fighting to reunite with Somalia. Doing so will make it seem like the ONLF is opting to seperate from Ethiopia to create Greater Somalia, which will cause negative reaction from the international community, thus forcing them to lose credibility for their cause. This is a war between Ethiopia and the ONLF. A war between the people in the region and a tyrannical regime.This is how the world perceives it and the ONLF is not going to jeopardize that by naming themselves "Somaligalbeed national liberation front" or anything in reference to Somalia as a means of pleasing people like u..stop using the name of the region as an excuse to oppose the struggle and be a man about it. You and others cannot stand the fact that the Ogaden clan is named after a region, cry me a river ..We all know division is an advantage for the occupier and as long as individuals like urself and groups of people that are against the 'O' name exist, the occupier will penetrate us even further[/color]

Sis, Cidna ma dhihin wa lagu necebyahay, ee qoraalkeyga dib haddaa iyara fiiriso waxad arkeysaa inaa dhahay ( maybe ).
Ee intadan FULL ATACK MODE galin qoralka ka fiirso.

[Queen_Arawello]

Queen Arawelo, there is no point fighting ethiopia considered the strongest army in east-africa. It is better to do it politically, believe me u can achieve your aims politically just as effective then thru the barrel of a gun. Look at eritrea and the tactic they used to get separation? they removed the amhara and put all their money and resources into helping a tigray(meles) get into power in 91. They then asked meles to give them separation after-all they helped him get in power and meles returned the favor and granted eritrea a divorce. That is when eritrea got recognized. When someone wants to separate u need both parties to acknowledge it, u can't just have 1 way divorce, u need the authorization of the person u r divorcing also. Or you won't get anywhere.

My clan learnt fighting doesn't solv e anything but just eventuates the war, we positioned ourselves to create a system for the nation "federalism" fund it and back it and get as many tribes to join and get what we want for our ppl thru political means. And have hawiye go battle their brothers in the south who don't want to join the recognized system of the land

So u can continue the war against the ethiopian government, but i doubt it will be effective...all we can say is inQueen Arawelo, there is no point fighting ethiopia considered the strongest army in east-africa. It is better to do it politically, believe me u can achieve your aims politically just as effective then thru the barrel of a gun. Look at eritrea and the tactic they used to get separation? they removed the amhara and put all their money and resources into helping a tigray(meles) get into power in 91. They then asked meles to give them separation after-all they helped him get in power and meles returned the favor and granted eritrea a divorce. That is when eritrea got recognized. When someone wants to separate u need both parties to acknowledge it, u can't just have 1 way divorce, u need the authorization of the person u r divorcing also. Or you won't get anywhere.

My clan learnt fighting doesn't solv e anything but just eventuates the war, we positioned ourselves to create a system for the nation "federalism" fund it and back it and get as many tribes to join and get what we want for our ppl thru political means. And have hawiye go battle their brothers in the south who don't want to join the recognized system of the land
k
So u can continue the war against the ethiopian government, but i doubt it will be effective...all we can say is inshallah and good luck.

Cusmano you're disgustingly misinformed if you believe the conflict will be solved through political means, you are ignorant concerning reality in Ogaden and know nothing about the history of the current crisis and its root causes so don't compare your situation to that of a region inhabited by 6 million people and has long history of colonization.

I will highlight to you why the barrel of the gun is the only solution to this conflict.After the fall of the Dergue (the Communist military junta that came to power in Ethiopia following the ousting of Haile Selassie) members of the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) formerly clandestine and their supporters became public.

ONLF participated the political process and won the election in 1995 more than 85% of the casted votes in the Somali region. At the end of the transitional period, the political organizations, the elected members of Parliament, the elders and the people started expressing their views about their future status. Their views and demands were not consistent with that held by the Tigray People Liberation Front (TPLF) led regime of Addis Ababa. On February-April l994, there were various conferences between Ethiopian officials and Ogaden Somali politicians, and traditional elders. The Ogaden Somali Elders and President of that time Meles Zenawi met in Harar town, the third Session of the Somali Regional Parliament in Jigjiga, and Godey meeting between Elders and Zenawi all ended fruitless.

On May 10th 1994, the Regional Assembly in Somali Region passed a unanimous resolution in accordance with the Transitional Charter and the Ethiopian Constitution. The Addis Ababa regime responded rapidly by overthrowing and almost terminating all democratically elected national institutions in the region, including the Regional Parliament. TPLF officers started killing, arresting, and intimidating unarmed and peaceful ONLF leaders and its members. They started to execute publically regional governors, mayors, and important figures in the community without due process. And tyranise the civilian population.

Then, ONLF prepared to defend they people, it choose the liberation struggle rather than accept their lot as second class citizens, a people who only exist as part of the empire.Starting from that period, the Human Rights situation in Somali region (Ogaden) have deteriorated and people become a prey of ruthless TPLF military officers in the region. Currently, the Ethiopia army takes many Ogaden people into military camps in daily basis. They hold them in secret camps, and then refuse to acknowledge responsibility of their disappearances or whereabouts. Every day hundreds of people are arrested and tortured to confess crimes they have not committed. This abduction of persons is typically intended to secure information and spread terror. In most cases, interrogations involve threats and torture, and those who are arrested are subsequently killed. Corpses are thrown on public scenes and lay there in weeks. Relatives are not allowed to bury bodies of their loved ones. In some situations, killed innocent civilians, are thrown into bushes or bury in unmarked graves or left at dumpsites in an attempt to conceal acts of torture and summary execution of those in custody.

Never will we negotiate right for self determination and independence, history teaches us that Liberty is only achieved with barrel of the gun and bloodshed not politically,Freedom always has a cost, had it not been through the barrel of the gun Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini would've been in power, had it not been through the barrel of the gun the US would've not gained it's freedom from England, France would've been ruled by Germany, India it's freedom from England etc.
Time after time consecutive Ethiopian regimes have offered conceions to the Ogaden leaders/ONLF and even given them their preferential treatment to rule the region so long as they abandon the struggle for independence, the were faced with a choice to either to relinquish what they had fought for so long and participate and become active players in the Ethiopian society or to be trodden upon, and they have decided that it was unacceptable to succumb to the agreements of the Ethiopian regime and forgot the quest for their self-determination and freedom. A quest the Ogaden people had shed so much blood for and suffered so much and willing to suffer more for it until victory is achieved without any compromise.


Ethiopia with the most powerful army in the horn cannot gain total control of the Ogaden today in the year 2009, kudos to ONLF,A frog does not run in the daytime for nothing...what's stopping the TPLF from defeating ONLF who lack modern sophisticated milatary and high-tech equipment ..the regime has always been on the loosing end of the battle against the Somali people, both at home and abroad. TPLF acknowledged (at least to themselves) that by its crackdown it is only walking into the lion’s den and that they cannot defeat ONLF in the battle field, they seem to have opted for other hypocritical ways to get rid of ONLF for good.

In the past TPLF has succeeded in fragmenting the ONLF by engaging its more moderate members in negotiations and into the region’s patronage and spoils system, but we have learnt from our naive mistakes, the barrel of a gun is the only soultion, in the Ogaden conflict the sword is mightier than the pen