Hawiye Somalia's newest untouchables?

[Somaliman50]

Am I the only one that thinks a new untouchable tribe is in the making?


Abakar I didn't mean it in a literal sense.

somali youth as a whole should never be exposed to tribalism, they'd get depressed. kaftanka iyo foorjeenta waa past time for the older generation.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Shirib, I have. They used to be our neighbours. We actually had two Hawiye neighbours, ones we socialised with..the others we avoided.



Somali Star, nothing stupid about my topic, I'm quite concerned wallahi.



Hyper Eid Mubarak

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

what are you by the way?
Dir?

[Enlightened~Sista]

lol


Hutu are you married btw?

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Not yet.Gonna find my soulmate in R'wanda

[Enlightened~Sista]

you're quite the comedian arent you?


Do you think you will have any difficulties in asking for the hand of a Darood girl you want to marry?


A Darood girl who is from where you are from.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Okay, I'm not looking for Reer Waqooyi input, since to them all the tribes that exclusively live in the South are strange. e.g Rahanweyne/ Digil & Mirifle and Hawiye.


I can't help but notice how the Hawiye are despised ...excuse my ignorance but what are relations like between the Darood & Hawiye in those towns/ cities they share? and in the diaspora? No politics plss!! i mean what are the interpersonal relations like? Do they still intermarry or do they stick to their own? especially since the Hawiye are accused of ethnic cleansing by their Daarood neighbours. I hate to say this but I met a few Hawiye people and they always hid the fact that they are hawiye? it's like they think I might view them less favourably, especially the guys.

These are the views of a Dhulbahnte and are in noway connected to Isaaq peoples general thinking towards our brothers in the south. But if ES wants to be honest with herself she should go and address the issue of how her reer abtis are viewed in somaliland, if thats abit to much work she should enquire how her sub tribe see them. To be honest any Hawiye person reading this thread should see it as a dig by a self claimed Darodist.

The only untouchables in somalia are Darods, Isaaq's hate them and Hawiye hate them. Thats the truth.

[ModerateMuslim]

We actually had two Hawiye neighbours, ones we socialised with..the others we avoided.

thanks for proving my point (:

Not yet.Gonna find my soulmate in R'wanda

you could ask one the fufus protecting the slave sharif

[Ka darag]

^^OMG TALKING OF FUFU..TODAY I WAS WAITIG FOR A BUS SOMEWHERE AND I SAW FUFU FLOUR IN AN AFRICAN/MIDDLE EAST FOODS SHOP ..THAT IS WHERE THE FUFU THING COMES FROM

[Phd in naago kudis]

^^OMG TALKING OF FUFU..TODAY I WAS WAITIG FOR A BUS SOMEWHERE AND I SAW FUFU FLOUR IN AN AFRICAN/MIDDLE EAST FOODS SHOP ..THAT IS WHERE THE FUFU THING COMES FROM

fufu is da reason why nigerians are massive hence why maliz call nigerians fufu's

[Enlightened~Sista]

[Ka darag]

^^OMG TALKING OF FUFU..TODAY I WAS WAITIG FOR A BUS SOMEWHERE AND I SAW FUFU FLOUR IN AN AFRICAN/MIDDLE EAST FOODS SHOP ..THAT IS WHERE THE FUFU THING COMES FROM

fufu is da reason why nigerians are massive hence why maliz call nigerians fufu's

[Phd in naago kudis]

^^OMG TALKING OF FUFU..TODAY I WAS WAITIG FOR A BUS SOMEWHERE AND I SAW FUFU FLOUR IN AN AFRICAN/MIDDLE EAST FOODS SHOP ..THAT IS WHERE THE FUFU THING COMES FROM

fufu is da reason why nigerians are massive hence why maliz call nigerians fufu's

u shuld try it...u will get muscles like dem nigerian womanz

[Ka darag]

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u shuld try it...u will get muscles like dem nigerian womanz [/quote]
OHGAWD

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Israeli drive to prevent Jewish girls dating Arabs
Jonathan Cook, Foreign Correspondent

Last Updated: September 25. 2009 1:57PM UAE / September 25. 2009 9:57AM GMT NAZARETH // A local authority in Israel has announced that it is establishing a special team of youth counsellors and psychologists whose job it will be to identify young Jewish women who are dating Arab men and “rescue” them.

The move by the municipality of Petah Tikva, a city close to Tel Aviv, is the latest in a series of separate – and little discussed – initiatives from official bodies, rabbis, private organisations and groups of Israeli residents to try to prevent interracial dating and marriage.

In a related development, the Israeli media reported this month that residents of Pisgat Zeev, a large Jewish settlement in the midst of Palestinian neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem, had formed a vigilante-style patrol to stop Arab men from mixing with local Jewish girls.

Hostility to intimate relationships developing across Israel’s ethnic divide is shared by many Israeli Jews, who regard such behaviour as a threat to the state’s Jewishness. One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with “national treason”.

Since the state’s founding in 1948, analysts have noted, a series of legal and administrative measures have been taken by Israel to limit the possibilities of close links developing between Jewish and Arab citizens, the latter comprising a fifth of the population.

Largely segregated communities and separate education systems mean that there are few opportunities for young Arabs and Jews to become familiarised with each other. Even in the handful of “mixed cities”, Arab residents are usually confined to separate neighbourhoods.

In addition, civil marriage is banned in Israel, meaning that in the small number of cases where Jews and Arabs want to wed, they can do so only by leaving the country for a ceremony abroad. The marriage is recognised on the couple’s return.

Dr Yuval Yonay, a sociologist at Haifa University, said the number of interracial marriages was “too small to be studied”. “Separation between Jews and Arabs is so ingrained in Israeli society, it is surprising that anyone manages to escape these central controls.”

The team in Petah Tikva, a Jewish city of 200,000 residents, was created in direct response to news that two Jewish girls, aged 17 and 19, were accompanying a group of young Arab men when they allegedly beat a Jewish man, Leonard Karp, to death last month on a Tel Aviv beach. The older girl was from Petah Tikva.

The girls’ involvement with the Arab youths has revived general concern that a once-firm taboo against interracial dating is beginning to erode among some young people.

In sentiments widely shared, Mr Hakak, a spokesman for Petah Tikva municipality, said “Russian girls”, young Jewish women whose parents arrived in Israel over the past two decades, since the former Soviet Union collapsed, were particularly vulnerable to the attention of Arab men.

Dr Yonay said Russian women were less closed to the idea of relationships with Arab men because they “did not undergo the religious and Zionist education” to which more established Israeli Jews were subject.

Mr Hakak said the municipality had created a hotline that parents and friends of the Jewish women could use to inform on them.

“We can’t tell the girls what to do but we can send a psychologist to their home to offer them and their parents advice,” he said.

Motti Zaft, the deputy mayor, told the Ynet website that the municipality was also cracking down on city homeowners who illegally subdivide apartments to rent them cheaply to single Arab men looking for work in the Tel Aviv area. He estimated that several hundred Arab men had moved into the city as a result.

Petah Tikva’s hostility to Arab men mixing with local Jewish women is shared by other communities.

In Pisgat Zeev, a settlement of 40,000 Jews, some 35 Jewish men are reported to belong to a patrol known as “Fire for Judaism” that tries to stop interracial dating.

Unusually for a settlement, Pisgat Zeev has attracted a tiny but growing population of Arab families, both from East Jerusalem and from inside Israel. Because Pisgat Zeev sits within Jerusalem’s municipal borders, Arabs with Israeli residency rights can live there as long as Jewish settlers are willing to rent to them.

One member, who identified himself as Moshe to the Jerusalem Post newspaper, said: “Our goal is to be in contact with these girls and try to explain to them the dangers of what they’re getting themselves into. In the last 10 years, 60 girls from Pisgat Zeev have gone into [Palestinian] villages [in the West Bank]. And most of them aren’t heard from after that.”

He denied that violence or threats were used against Arab men.
Last year, the municipality of Kiryat Gat, a town of 50,000 Jews in southern Israel, launched a programme in schools to warn Jewish girls of the dangers of dating local Bedouin men. The girls were shown a video titled Sleeping with the Enemy, which describes mixed couples as an “unnatural phenomenon”.
Haim Shalom, head of the municipality’s welfare department, is filmed saying: “The girls, in their innocence, go with the exploitative Arab.”

In 2004, posters sprang up all over the northern town of Safed warning Jewish women that dating Arab men would lead to “beatings, hard drugs, prostitution and crime”.
Safed’s chief rabbi, Shmuel Eliyahu, told a local newspaper that the “seducing” of Jewish girls was “another form of war” by Arab men.

Both Kiryat Gat and Safed’s campaigns were supported by a religious organisation called Yad L’achim, which runs an anti-assimilation team publicly dedicated to “saving” Jewish women.

According to its website, the organisation receives more than 100 calls a month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel and the West Bank. It launches “military-like rescues [of the women] from hostile Arab villages” in co-ordination with the police and army.

“The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not prepared to give up on even a single one,” says the website.

Bron: http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll ... 49932/1138