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Re: Are They Naive ? Or Just Enjoying a Vacation

Post by AbdiWahab252 »

Guhad,

What did you expect from a Buffoon like Ghedi ? Seriously, the man nominated high school drop outs to become Director Generals :down:

The whole TFG/TNG system was corrupt and born to fail from conception. You were basically rewarding the same constituents of scumbags be it warlords, penlords, tourist politicians etc all of whom had very little credibility or ability to implement any grand plan of saving Somalia.

Seriously, what makes Sheik Sharif more capable of administering Somalia than say you ?
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how can I get into the somali civil society business, its seems like a good sector with great potencial to swindel money from the international community.
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Voltage wrote:
GENERAL_SNM wrote:The problem with Somalia is strongmen or wannabe strongmen. They all have aspiration to be the next MSB and will achieve their goals by any mean necessary. What the South needs is more people working together to advance peace in the area. To use the North as an explain the bad blood between HJ, Dhulbahnte, or even HJ, HY has not resided but people understand and appreciate in a conflict nobody wins but everybody loses. The locals in the south need to understand this and not fight for the interest of their strongman because the qabils interest and the his sole interest are not the same. Barre Hurrale's interest and marexaan interest are not the same, Qayebdiid and sacad are not the same to assume otherwise is pure stupidity.
The south doesn't need to understand anything. The same stuff that happened in the north happened in the south except the south went into stalemate where a single powerful force was not able to usurp power from the rest. USC tried to do so against the Darod but in the end Darod shot down USC ambition and USC turned on each other leading to a stalemate in the sections of MOgadishu as well as sections or regions of the south.

Can you compare it to the north where fighting there saw a single group usurp power (Cigaal and his maryo calas alliance against Tuur/Garxajis)? Ironically this successful campaign to hold on to power is the same reason why Siilaanyo will not become president of Somaliland because the former armed opposition who are now part of the political process remember his position as chief leader in the maryo calas.

It is more a problem of demography than difference in culture that separates north and south. North is sparsely settled without a lot of important structures with less clan diversity while the south is Somalia as it exists...the largest cities, the largest population, most clan diversity, and important structures of ports, farmland, political influence, control of the capital to be fought over etc
This is history according to Voltage and I'm sure many people outside your qabil dont share this narrative. For example I dont share your understanding of the northern clans. The way you claim that the Garxajis are the main reason why Silanyo is not president. In this simple assumption you forget that large blocks of my tribe HJ dont vote for Silanyo, and section of HY actually vote for Silanyo. The current ruling party are the direct guardians of Igaal's legacy. Silanyo was SNM chairmen and some section of the Garxajis were disappointed he did not do enough to resolve the conflict between them and igaal. They are the most vocal opponents of Silanyo but not out of Garxajisnimo but self interest dressed as Garxajisnimo.

Ps, I think the importance of the south is a more important factor would be Somaliland coming back into the fold. You have the same chance of either happening. :mrgreen:
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Post by King-of-Awdal »

Guhad

So your telling us the Somali Ambassador to Kenya has to be an Ogaden solely on the basis of of your clan supposedly being the most Numerous somali clan in that country. For a second i thought there was hope for Somali's but all i can say is your logic is of not this century. :lol: No wonder they have the likes of people who sign with the stamp of their finger in the somali parliament. :lol:
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Abdi,

I almost went to this conference with one of the NGO ppl I met here. I agree they are just vacationing, these people lacag ayeey been been ku qaataan, none of them is realy willing to leave their confortable offices to actually go and do something in Somalia.

They are a waste of money.
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Demure,

I know. I always tell my Aabo, now if only I were your age, I'd be wrestling Cisman Caato, Qeybdiid, Ina Caydiid and Co. for the tribal mantle instead of lounging in Central Africa.

Imagine if only 20% of the total international aid projects were devoted to income generating projects all over Somalia in the rural areas, it would reduce the levels of mooryaanimo, conflict etc.

Instead a cartel of crooks divide and spend the vast majority of funds in Nairobi.
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bunch of UNEMPLOYED bureaucrats who want to make easy money
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AW and others have analyzed the situation in southern Somalia correctly and why it seems to many, no solution can be found for this never ending nightmare: the sheer number of interest groups in this game: foreigners, warlords, big businessmen, fanatics, clannist, etc. Somalia, will only become a nation again when these groups had enough and, we are still a long time away from tht happening.

AW: do you think as I do, most of these 'civil' society people, are basically career opportunist, trying to making a killing out of donors or whoever is gullible enough to fall for their tricks? and in the process, trying to enrich themselves and continue to flame the fire in Somalia.

But my question for all you guys is: have we reached the tipping point? the end game?
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Guhad
You actually made me laugh walle,His clan has nothing to do with how he got there.Educationally,The Guy has a bachelors degree in computer science and masters in finance From AUM university in USA.And worked for somali Central bank During the reign Of late President Siyad barre.Thus,He has enough Education and Experience to become an ambassador.I dont agree with what he personally do but educational wise ninka waa nin wax bartay oo ilahey cilmi aduun ugu deeqay. :lol:
Strangely enough ,Caliyaalities happen to be the most educated ones. :lol:
You can personally demonize him but bringing his Clan into the equation is not something i would have expected from you.yara xishoo. :up:

AW
I am actually planning to become part of this civil society Groups,all you have to do is get a masters degree and run after them for few years until you get a job after that your life will never be the same.

.What is the Role of CRD(centre for research and dialogue) in somali politics? I heard these guys enjoy the full support of USA and some other Euro Countries.Do you think these guys rule somalia behind closed doors?
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Re: Are They Naive ? Or Just Enjoying a Vacation

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King-of-Awdal wrote:Guhad

So your telling us the Somali Ambassador to Kenya has to be an Ogaden solely on the basis of of your clan supposedly being the most Numerous somali clan in that country. For a second i thought there was hope for Somali's but all i can say is your logic is of not this century. :lol: No wonder they have the likes of people who sign with the stamp of their finger in the somali parliament. :lol:

Well said bro,i some times wonder if you have some xayow blood in you? :lol:
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Post by Oxidant »

Great thread

Wallahi, I don't know we I stand. One side of me wants Somalis to work together through a solid political an find peace, while the other side wants too see another MSB

ABW is on the spot about the difference between South and North civil war.
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AW is uncharacteristically on point :up:
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Re: Are They Naive ? Or Just Enjoying a Vacation

Post by AbdiWahab252 »

Addow,

CRD is mimicking itself as a think tank on Somalia. However, I doubt their workshops can achieve anything to stabilize SOmalia but their work is pleasing to Western audiences who assume Somalis can resolve things amicably through dialogue.

Oxidan and SomaliStar,

Thanks fellas.



LordDiplock,

The end ? You can never underestimate the SOmali Capacity for Destruction. As time passes, each warring faction splits up into smaller bodies and the cast of characters multiplies with none being strong enough to pacify the rest.
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