30 Shia students of knowledge convert to Islam

[Talo alle udaa]

somaliyeey ma ogtihiin waxey culimada waawenka ka dhaheen shiicada, sida Imaam shaafici, iyo Ahmed ibn Hanbal,

[RuralMan08]

somaliyeey ma ogtihiin waxey culimada waawenka ka dhaheen shiicada, sida Imaam shaafici, iyo Ahmed ibn Hanbal,

Imaam Shafi'i: "If being a Raafidha means loving the Prophet and his household then bear witness that I am a Raafidhi."

What did the other imaams say?

[Aliyyi Oromada]

Al-Buwayti asked: "Should I pray behind the Rafidi?"

Al-Shafi`i said: "Do not pray behind the Rafidi, nor behind the Qadari, nor behind the Murji’."

Al-Buwayti said: "Define them for us."

He replied: "Whoever says ‘Belief consists only in speech’ is a Murji’, and whoever says ‘Abu Bakr and `Umar are not Imams’ is a Rafidi, and whoever attributes destiny to himself is a Qadari." (Mukhtasar al Buwayti)

Of course the term Imam here is not according to the Imami doctrine, but simply Imam as in a leader.

[RuralMan08]

What about the Zaydis, can you pray behind them?

[Aliyyi Oromada]

I haven't read it from any Zaydi source, but as far as I know they recognize 'Umar, and Abu bakr & they simply believe Ali was a better choice.

[ModerateMuslim]

You call every one A mushrik you should learn the deen my friend Any person who does the shahaada is A muslim who believes in the onenes of god and his messanger the angels Is a Muslim so you should not call people mushrik wa erey xun

One more thing there is nothing wrong with My aqeeda My aqeeda is islam And sunati rasuul.

my friend, with all due respect, you're a very ignorant man.

can you worship others besides allah swt and still be a msulim? can you believe that others besides allah swt have knowledge of the unseen and the future and still be considered a muslim? can you believe that your religious imams control everything in the universe down to the atoms and still be considered a muslim? can you believe that the kitaab is incomplete and that full kitaab is only in passion of an imam kid hiding in some cave and still be a muslim? can you be a muslim believing that your salvation lies not with allah but your imams? can you be a muslim believing that the deen isn't preserved and protected by allah but your imams? can you be a muslim while believing that your imams are superior to all the prophets except the last one and that the major prophets - ibrahim (as) et al - only attained their status on account of loving your imams. can you believe that aisha (ra), the wife of the prophet (saw) and daughter of abu bakr (ra), is a whore guilty of adultery when allah spoke for her honor? or that abu bakr, omar ibn al-khattab and uthman ibn affan (ra) were unjust tyrants and kaffir usurpers when allah swt promised them jannah and let it be known that he swt is pleased with them? can you be a muslim while accusing khalid bin walid (ra) of being a bloodthirsty kafir murderer and raper?

can you, you shia-loving ignorant sufi?


no. by allah, if you believe that scums who hold such a beliefs are muslims then you're no better than them.

[The_Emperior5]

Shia fallow the quran yes they follow Allah yes that’s what matters there for you’re a muslim they believe prophet Muhammad was the last Messenger who are you to call them gaalo I mean who are you are you god ? Shia might be Misguided But calling them kafirs is not the way to go , and star guy cant you make your point while calling others ignorant that shows your ignorance I have seen you do that several times, you talk so much nonsense that you started believing it, If shia are gaalos why are they allowed to come to the pilgrimage In mecca ? If you’re a good muslim you try to unite Muslims and islam not to divide them and Calling some gaalo while they are still muslims

[ModerateMuslim]

my ignorant friend,

who are you to call them muslims? are you god?

allah swt has revealed to his prophet (saw) the criteria by which a muslim is judged by - and on that, the rawafed fail.

i'm done going back-and-forth with you. you're either too dense or a munafiq who loves the filthy rafidi pigs more than the oneness of allah swt, the honors of ibrahim (as) et al, the dignity and honor of the mother of the believers, aisha (as), and the best of the sahaba (ra). either way, you're lost.

[The_Emperior5]

my ignorant friend,

who are you to call them muslims? are you god?

allah swt has revealed to his prophet (saw) the criteria by which a muslim is judged by - and on that, the rawafed fail.

i'm done going back-and-forth with you. you're either too dense or a munafiq who loves the filthy rafidi pigs more than the oneness of allah swt, the honors of ibrahim (as) et al, the dignity and honor of the mother of the believers, aisha (as), and the best of the sahaba (ra). either way, you're lost.

There is no point of discussing things with you call muslims pigs

[gurey25]

I always thought the shia were fishy..
with thier hatred of the saxaaba and there philosophy bieng so close to shirk..

but clearly somali-stars people are far more dangerous to islam..


my god have mercy on all of us..

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

Some of the Shia sects are Kafir based on their beliefs that put them outside the folds of Islam, while others are very misguided but are still counted among the Muslims.

[gobdoon]

I was recently was in location with an Iraqi Shia man and Somali man among with ather people to cut long story short I happened to be sharing a room with the Iraqi man and after he met with the Somali man he came back to me shocked and said the man told him he doesn't like Shia,the Iraqi man happens to be a good Muslim who prays,peaceful after I questioned him the difference between Suni and Shia We agreed it started the Khilafa time after the death of the prophet PBOH and it simply grew and grew and got out of hand but we agreed what people like Alqaida are doing is wrong and the Islam means peace and killing of innocent people and the dictatorial system of groups like Alqaida is wrong,the moral of argument is that we Somalis sometimes hear something and jump to the gun with ignorence especially when people are young and naive so think twice before calling some one Muslim atherwise.

[Salahuddiin]

Some people here like AbuDujanah or Ruralman say that Jacfaris are kuffaar but still talking about shiicas in a good way. Only problem here is that maybe 90% or more of the world shiicas are Twelvers (including Iran, Hizbullah, Iraqi shiicas etc) and after them the second biggest sect are Ismaaciilis who are even more deep in kufr. The Zaidis who are counted among Muslims are only very few people relatively speaking. Basically they are only in Yemen and some Zaidi tribes have been influenced by strong dacwa from Iran and their beliefs became very close to Twelvers. For example some tribes of the Houthi rebellion are Twelvers.

What I don't get is that why you use the name shiica and by it you mean Zaidis, when they are maybe something like 0,5% of the world shiicas?

can you worship others besides allah swt and still be a msulim? can you believe that others besides allah swt have knowledge of the unseen and the future and still be considered a muslim? can you believe that your religious imams control everything in the universe down to the atoms and still be considered a muslim? can you believe that the kitaab is incomplete and that full kitaab is only in passion of an imam kid hiding in some cave and still be a muslim? can you be a muslim believing that your salvation lies not with allah but your imams? can you be a muslim believing that the deen isn't preserved and protected by allah but your imams? can you be a muslim while believing that your imams are superior to all the prophets except the last one and that the major prophets - ibrahim (as) et al - only attained their status on account of loving your imams. can you believe that aisha (ra), the wife of the prophet (saw) and daughter of abu bakr (ra), is a whore guilty of adultery when allah spoke for her honor? or that abu bakr, omar ibn al-khattab and uthman ibn affan (ra) were unjust tyrants and kaffir usurpers when allah swt promised them jannah and let it be known that he swt is pleased with them? can you be a muslim while accusing khalid bin walid (ra) of being a bloodthirsty kafir murderer and raper?

Those twelver beliefs that Somali-Star listed are not propaganda but they are found straight from the books of Khomeini who is seen by greatest caalim of twelvers in our times and those things are from the caqiida of Twelvers and whoever believes in those can't be a Muslim because they contradict the very basic beliefs we have. If someone is interested to read about it then here's a link with quotes:

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/Khomeini.htm

[DR-YALAXOOW]

khalid bin walid (ra) of being a bloodthirsty kafir murderer and raper?

yes you can be muslim and still say about those untrue things about khalid bin walid(rc), khalid is not god send prophet and suddenly he is no god therefore calling khalid bin walid bad thinks only that will not make you kaafir.
your a muslim if you believe allah is the only god and muxamed scw is rasuul and quran 114 surah is revelation from allah and pray 5 times a day, then your 100% muslim,

Those twelver beliefs that Somali-Star listed are not propaganda but they are found straight from the books of Khomeini who is seen by greatest caalim of twelvers in our times and those things are from the caqiida of Twelvers and whoever believes in those can't be a Muslim because they contradict the very basic beliefs we have. If someone is interested to read about it then here's a link with quotes:

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/Khomeini.htm

that's true shias exaggerate what they call 12 imam's like Wahhabi's exaggerate this 2 men, first one is what they call the master of Islam IBN THAYMIYAH and other Wahhabi idol muxamed abdul wahaaab.
shias do not consider the 12 imams as 12 gods they only sees them as 12 imaam(leaders) as Wahhabi's call master of Islam medieval arab shaikh IBN taymiyyah, and 17 century British jaajuus maxamed abdulwahaab.
wahhabis follow ideas of this two men and book that they wrote as shias follow this 12 imaams.

both sects wahhabism and shias do same mistakes and i believe both are Muslims, and they can not make on another as kuffar.
no one have right to make kufur each other. shia is muslims, wahhabism is Muslims, axmadiya is muslims,ismaaciliya too is Muslims and yes all of them make some mistakes in the name of Islam,
but as i said all are muslims becouse they believe

one god allah
prophet muxamed scw
pray 5 times
same quran 114

if you believe those things then your 100% muslim

[RuralMan08]

Brother Salahuddin

The Houthis have split into two groups. One group espouse the doctrine of the true straight path of Imam Zayd (RA). The other group has been influenced by Ismailis, Jacfaris etc. The only difference I have with Iran is 'aqeedah. I dont believe me and Imam Khomeini could have sat in the same room. Having said that, the Muslims today have lowered the special status of Imam Ali (Karamulllahu wajuh) and the AhlulBayt in particular even though it is a great crime to do such an act.