Muslim World Militaries

[gurey25]

Twisted allot of countries manufacture the F-16..
The Netherlands, Belguim, Egypt as well as Turkey.

Japan used to produce them now they produce thier own, The South Koreans also produce the F-16

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted allot of countries manufacture the F-16..
The Netherlands, Belguim, Egypt as well as Turkey.

Japan used to produce them now they produce thier own, The South Koreans also produce the F-16

No, bro. Check your sources. Turkey is the only country that manufactures the F-16. The other countries simply buy it from the US. Japan doesn't operate the F-16. It has its own copy of the F-16 (Mitsubishi F2) and South Korea operates the F-16 and has produced some of its F-16s, but it cant be compared to scope of the manufacturing as in Turkey which also makes most of the sub-systems. South Korea just made the hull.

[Twisted_Logic]

twisted, about Pakistan, i will dig an economist article a coupe of years back which is my source. Nevertheless, Pakistan is dependent on IMF and World Bank to sustain. You can google it. Without IMF's support Pakistan cannot afford to pay government employees let alone maintaining such large military. The reason I said Pakistan cannot afford this military is based on its financial situation. It has been getting more loans every year to stay solvent.

You cannot compare to the two economies, Pakistan is dead without IMF. I wonder how it was allowed to spend almost every penny it gets on military.

About its GDP, Tiny Israel has much more GDP than Pakistan

copy/past from US State Dep.

In 2008, the ratio of total debt and liabilities to GDP, a broad measure of the country's capacity to sustain debt, saw an end to a seven-year declining trend, rising in FY 2008 to 60%. The stock of Pakistan's total debt and liabilities increased by 27% year on year in 2008, to PKR 6,417.4 billion (U.S. $80.7 billion at 79.5 rupees per dollar), with a commensurate deterioration in debt sustainability indicators. The fiscal deficit widened from 5.6% of GDP in 1994-95, to 7.7% in 1997-98, and to 5.4% in 2008-2009. Support for loss-making, state-owned enterprises; fuel subsidies; and a weak domestic tax base have been critical elements in the recurring fiscal deficits.

In October 2008, Pakistan entered into a 23-month Stand-By Arrangement with the IMF in order to keep the country solvent and to support its foreign exchange reserves, which had fallen to precariously low levels. The $11.3 billion IMF loan supports two key objectives of restoring macroeconomic stability and confidence in the economy through a significant tightening of macroeconomic policies and ensuring social stability and adequate support for the poor. Other reforms include improvements in banking and tax legislation, phasing out electricity subsidies, and reducing foreign exchange market intervention by the State Bank of Pakistan. A contingency plan for handling problem banks has been prepared and is being strengthened; an action plan to reform tax policy and administration has been adopted and will be implemented with technical assistance from the IMF and the World Bank.

Pakistan remains dependent on IMF and other international assistance for budgetary support and to keep the country more or less solvent. So far, Pakistan has met some of the IMF benchmarks, most recently implementing a 13.6% increase in electricity prices in January 2010. In 2009, Pakistan also received $2.11 billion in aid from the “Friends of Pakistan” group of allies, who pledged $5.7 billion in total.

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My point regarding Turkey is that it was much more powerful in the 19th century - that still remains.

Saying Pakistan is dead without the IMF is just purely retarded. Pakistan did not take single penny for majority of Musharraf's almost 10 years of rule. There was a problem when the PPP came to power because those crooks love using the IMF to enrich themselves. However, Pakistan has a robust economy and having a huge debt is not as apocalyptic as you make it sound.

Turkey has a bigger economy than Pakistan, but in terms of military capability, Pakistan is certainly ahead. And NO, you are deluded if you think Turkey in 19th Century is more powerful than the Turkey of today

[Twisted_Logic]

Military might is not only the number of planes, tanks and soldiers.
Its most of all your military thought,ideology etc

Turkey is the Nato watch dog, it was supposed to be the southern launching pad against the glorious Red Army.
Now that the red Army is dissolved its keeping an eye on arab countries for the Master...

As such it has no enemy , no military thought ...except terrorising the Kurds.
Surely these are no sign of military might!

As for the little Pakis...its a country which should not exist!
Its the only country, along Israel who is created on religious bases.
Well their politics, strategy and culture r best described by one word: Anti-Indianism!

Their strategy is to kill the kuffar!
their military thought is those of ancient sultans who raped India.
Verily these are no signs of military might.

A sick society creats only sick military...so there is no muslim world caliber Miliatries unless there is a sane muslim society.

B.

@ Pakistan shouldn't exist and the other none sense in this thread

This coming from an Oromo...Priceless

[greenday]

Do they hand pick the chinese army? they look so perfect.

[Nomand]

turkey is the strongest followed by iran and then pakistan but pakistan has nuclear but there conventional army is weaker then both turkey and iran

the weakest is saudi arabia they could not even win against a handful of shia yemenis

[Shirib]

Xarakatal Shabaab

[Shirib]

turkey is the strongest followed by iran and then pakistan but pakistan has nuclear but there conventional army is weaker then both turkey and iran

the weakest is saudi arabia they could not even win against a handful of shia yemenis

I think Pakistan has superior military capability then both Turkey and Iran

[waryaa]

Saying Pakistan is dead without the IMF is just purely retarded. Pakistan did not take single penny for majority of Musharraf's almost 10 years of rule. There was a problem when the PPP came to power because those crooks love using the IMF to enrich themselves. However, Pakistan has a robust economy and having a huge debt is not as apocalyptic as you make it sound.

Turkey has a bigger economy than Pakistan, but in terms of military capability, Pakistan is certainly ahead. And NO, you are deluded if you think Turkey in 19th Century is more powerful than the Turkey of today

twisted, is this how u debate with others? I am not repeating myself and numbers don't lie my friend, I think u lack the art of constructive debate. I pointed out two valid points:
1- Pakistan is kept afloat by IMF loans and welfare from other nations for so long.
2- Turkey was a superpower in the 19th century and today it doesn't even make to any elite group like most industrialized nations, security council, the 23 countries that set world technology standards, to name a few.

u resorted to delusion/retardation! No one is getting any price here and no need to act like "the jack of all trades" easy bro!

[gurey25]

twisted..


http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article2.html
European Participating Governments EPG

belguima nd Netherlands were one of the first to assemble the F-16, Tukey and Egypt only much later

[Twisted_Logic]

turkey is the strongest followed by iran and then pakistan but pakistan has nuclear but there conventional army is weaker then both turkey and iran

the weakest is saudi arabia they could not even win against a handful of shia yemenis

You are wrong, dead wrong.

Pakistan and Turkey almost head-to-head in conventionally, but as you said Pakistan got the nukes and the cruise missiles

There is no way in hell that Iran has better conventional military than Pakistan

[Twisted_Logic]

twisted..


http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article2.html
European Participating Governments EPG

belguima nd Netherlands were one of the first to assemble the F-16, Tukey and Egypt only much later

Hmmm, I didn't know Belgium and Netherlands assembled the F-16s. But there is no way in hell Egypt assembles the F-16. Are you sure?

[udun]

Xarakal Shabaab

This is the birth of an Islamic army. Despite being small numbers, they are growing and growing and sharpening their skills.

[Twisted_Logic]

Saying Pakistan is dead without the IMF is just purely retarded. Pakistan did not take single penny for majority of Musharraf's almost 10 years of rule. There was a problem when the PPP came to power because those crooks love using the IMF to enrich themselves. However, Pakistan has a robust economy and having a huge debt is not as apocalyptic as you make it sound.

Turkey has a bigger economy than Pakistan, but in terms of military capability, Pakistan is certainly ahead. And NO, you are deluded if you think Turkey in 19th Century is more powerful than the Turkey of today

twisted, is this how u debate with others? I am not repeating myself and numbers don't lie my friend, I think u lack the art of constructive debate. I pointed out two valid points:
1- Pakistan is kept afloat by IMF loans and welfare from other nations for so long.
2- Turkey was a superpower in the 19th century and today it doesn't even make to any elite group like most industrialized nations, security council, the 23 countries that set world technology standards, to name a few.

u resorted to delusion/retardation! No one is getting any price here and no need to act like "the jack of all trades" easy bro!

For someone that makes fascinating statements like, "Interest on Pakistan's debt is larger than its GDP, therefore it cannot sustain formidable military. In reality it needs to sell off all that stuff to pay off this humongous debt.," you sure do have a lot of gall to preach about civil discourse and "constructive debate."

Pakistan is not entirely dependent on foreign aid to keep it afloat and certainly the whole issue of foreign loan is quite controversial in Pakistan. Pakistan's economy took a bad beating following the 2005 earthquake and was recently devastated by this summers catastrophic flooding. Pakistani appeals for aid was entirely logical as no country in the world can cope with natural calamity of that magnitude all on its own. The loans provided were to be spent for infrastructure development and rehabilitation. The annual budget comes from revenue generated within Pakistan. The economy has been growing almost every year since 1999 and even internal wars against militancy hasn't hampered the growth of Pakistan domestic economy. The inflation rate is slated to come down to single digits by the end of the year. The emergency loan given to Pakistan by the IMF and other loan agencies you have mentioned was simply a short term solution. Within months, the Pakistani Foreign Reserve was back to a healthy 16 Billion USD.

In terms of military manufacturing, only a holy fool would call for the scale back of defense manufacturing for a country that currently exports more than 300 Million USD worth of defense goods. Within the export of the JF-17 Fighter Jets, Tanks and other weapons, the defense export market will easily surpass the 1 Billion USD mark within the next couple years. You are simply making one irrational statement after another and attacking people that cal out your illogical reasoning.

With regards to Turkey, another illustration of how limited the nature of your reasoning really. Turkey in the 19th Century was the sick man of Europe, a stagnant and declining empire that was helplessly watching its territories like Egypt, Palestine and Iraq forcefully taken by European Colonizers. You are deluded to even compare this weak beat of the Ottoman Empire in the 19th Century to the credible and modernly progressive country that is today Turkey. But when all you have are misconceptions and myths, you are bound to make laughable and unsubstantiated claims.

[grandpakhalif]

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