The universe.

[Colonel]

I don't understand why you guys are saying 1 & 3 are the same, they are not.
1 says that something came out of nothing, God is not mentioned here. It is directed at those people who do not believe in Ar-Rahman.
3 says that something came out of Illahi's creation, not out of nothing like number 1 suggested.

@Samatar10 - the question here is how was the universe created in first place, if the universe is not there yet then how can it "form a process of natural laws"?

[Samatar10]

I don't understand why you guys are saying 1 & 3 are the same, they are not.
1 says that something came out of nothing, God is not mentioned here. It is directed at those people who do not believe in Ar-Rahman.
3 says that something came out of Illahi's creation, not out of nothing like number 1 suggested.

@Samatar10 - the question here is how was the universe created in first place, if the universe is not there yet then how can it "form a process of natural laws"?

Like I said, we don’t know enough about the origin of the universe and you don’t either. There is no embarrassment or shame in this kind of ignorance, since it ignorance brought on by lacks of actual information. Suggesting invisible deities as responsible for the natural phenomena instead of actual information is and always historically been a bad idea though.

[Colonel]

So the atheists don't have an idea how we got here then? Fair enough at least you have been honest. Now I understand why atheists always do the questioning and avoid being the questioned party themselves.

To conclude, I believe in an invisible deity and you believe in invisible science.

[Samatar10]

^^ You can’t disprove the existence of God the same as you can’t disprove sagan’s dragon. The point is you come here with no evidence. How do followers of theism come by their positive claims?? if we would talk about proof, in the colloquial sense, then where is the evidence? You know lending uncritical acceptance to unsupported being is illogical.

[muslim-man]

lakum diinaikum waliya diin

to you your way, to us our way

[quark]

-

[union]

It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
It's big and black and inky
And we are small and dinky
It's a big universe and we're not.

And we're part of a vast interplanetary system
Stretching seven hundred billion miles long.
With nine planets and a sun; we think the Earth's the only one
That has life on it, although we could be wrong.
Across the interstellar voids are a billion asteroids
Including meteors and Halley's Comet too.
And there's over fifty moons floating out there like balloons
In a panoramic trillion-mile view.

And still it's all a speck amid a hundred billion stars
In a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
It's sixty thousand trillion miles from one end to the other
And still that's just a fraction of the way.
'Cause there's a hundred billion galaxies that stretch across the sky
Filled with constellations, planets, moons and stars.
And still the universe extends to a place that never ends
Which is maybe just inside a little jar!

YW+D : It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
* Though we don't know how it got here
* We're an important part here
* It's a big universe and it's ours!

[union]

[greenday]

You can’t ignore science and I believe in evaluation and the big bang theory to some extent but with Allahs command and not by chance.