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bareento wrote:Hmm Aliyyi oromada, welcome back brother!
Kha barana kha bara heddu

Brother we have to first understand wat is governing;
a society is something dynamic, containing a lot of forces, classes/groups some of which are in competition;
democracy is the best way governing because every 4 or 5 years it reshuffles the power according to the balance of power!
it helps to diffuse the antagonism between groups!
it helps those weak too as their vote is needed
besides as by product it gives birth to human right, enlightement and toerance

I love democracy

B.

loool assalamu alaykum, kan baranaa kan bara hegeree

What happens is eventually one side wins and takes over government. You can’t have a functioning state governed by 4 or 5 different sets of ideas. Even in “plural” democracies, there’s still a hierarchy where the rich control everything and an election doesn’t really reshuffle anything. It just gives that impression because they’re better at deceiving people. Which reminds me of a Noam Chomskey quote;

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."

An election every 4 or 5 years isn’t the only way to stay in touch with the public, infact its been proven that it doesn’t even work.

Basra- wrote:In Quran, the power of sword and force is emphasized to discipline the weak minded. In fact, in the old Islam days-- pegans were forcefully converted to Islam by the power of sword. I agree with that method, because i like the result where an idiot pegan is converted to a believer Muslim. Allaahu akbaar.
http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-mubarak-fa ... 38956.html

I think you are insulting the intelligence of prophet Muhammad SCW. Prophet Muhammad Scw Said: The best people are my people of my generation the Sahabaha and the next generation and the next generation.

So please be careful what you writing.. For ignorant human being never fears Allah.... Allah is patient and merciful to that arrogant human being... ALhamdulilaahi fi nicmatul Islam..

Aliyyi Oromada wrote:

bareento wrote:Hmm Aliyyi oromada, welcome back brother!
Kha barana kha bara heddu

Brother we have to first understand wat is governing;
a society is something dynamic, containing a lot of forces, classes/groups some of which are in competition;
democracy is the best way governing because every 4 or 5 years it reshuffles the power according to the balance of power!
it helps to diffuse the antagonism between groups!
it helps those weak too as their vote is needed
besides as by product it gives birth to human right, enlightement and toerance

I love democracy

B.

loool assalamu alaykum, kan baranaa kan bara hegeree

What happens is eventually one side wins and takes over government. You can’t have a functioning state governed by 4 or 5 different sets of ideas. Even in “plural” democracies, there’s still a hierarchy where the rich control everything and an election doesn’t really reshuffle anything. It just gives that impression because they’re better at deceiving people. Which reminds me of a Noam Chomskey quote;

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."

An election every 4 or 5 years isn’t the only way to stay in touch with the public, infact its been proven that it doesn’t even work.

Hmm Aliyyi ...citing Chomsky to in fine justify kalifism (or watever arab called their empire)!!!
Nice move
Believe me Kalifat will never come back, bi iznilaahil kariim we will burn them down for all the crimes they committed in the past
The last Khalifat was dead when the last khalif took refuge on a british battle ship , and the concept of Kalifate is dead with him

People want Liberty, nations want independance.

B.

PS Sheekkotiin Oromo, oromummaa jibbuu yoom dhaaban?

barentoo it is very sad, you seem to believe that islam is arab, and you fully embrace the west..

I fully agree with Aliyyi Oromada i couldnt have summed it up better..

Democracy is good as long as it is below the Islam, this means it doesn't change rules of Islam and people will have their say in matters.

We don't want every single person/tribe fighting for power when one power can control all of them without any problems.

See Somaliland for example, there was no problem with democracy.

Basra

define deomcracy walaal ??

BlackVelvet wrote:So I guess fasting doesn't kill off those odd brain cells of yours.

it doesnt kill much when u are too big even if u fast the whole year

gurey25 wrote:barentoo it is very sad, you seem to believe that islam is arab, and you fully embrace the west..

I fully agree with Aliyyi Oromada i couldnt have summed it up better..

Brother Gurey, honestly I love the West because of their enlightment
In Arab countries, my oromo brothers and other africans are Abiid, in the west we are citizens
I have no reason to love the Arabs, although I have a lot of reasons to hate them

Aliyyi is part of the new bred oromo shuyuukhs, confused to the uttermost!
moving to an fro from extreme left to the crazy islamism!
They have one distinctive sign its their allergy to Oromoness!
They would love to invent arab genealogy ...Insha Allah Waaq will utterly destroy them and help his children

B.

ah i see your problem, you have an inferiority complex , and it bothers you that some might call you an cabd or adoon.
As a somali i do not have this problem, because i have the common somali affliction of superiority complex.
Secretly for no good reason, even though we are in no position to believe so , most somalis believe they are superior to every other person on earth.

I dont know why its probably a psychological development of a nomadic background, because allot of nomadic people and the old arabs shared this till they fell victim to Civilization.

As a practicing muslim and as an educated man i keep this instinct under control, the same way i keep away from zina and alcohol and other sins..

It because of this that i have never felt the way you do...

Barentoo embrace your oromo ness, and embrace you religion islam it is liberating ...

do not fear these miskeen arabs....

grow some balls.

Gurey, believe me I had the chance to be familiar with many horn african cutures/people, and all of them considers themselves as special.
Its not only somali thing...somalis being loud they say it loudly that is all

In Egypt an African refugee trying to leave egypt for israel is shot and killed; in Europe they will put him in shelter and make him citizen!
How can I have sympathy for the one who kills and hates me!
It has nothing to do with inferiroity or superiority complexe!
Its comparing two societies: one sympathetic to u the other killing u!
its common sense

I can think of my people as the superior but that does not make me love the one calling me abiid and killing me

B.

barentoo just becuase todays arabs are a bunch of useless pieces of trash, are not civilized , it does not mean that they were always like that.
and you shouldnt abandon your religion becuase you hate arabs.

i cant stand arabs, i probably hate them as much you ,even more than you do, but i also have arab friends, live in an arab country and somethime consider my self an arab.

The advantage of being somali is that i get to say to the arab, "you arab" when ever they piss me off.
I also love to explain to them that i am not an arab, but a somali...



arabs have fallen from the hieght islam placed them in, this is why they are humiliated and punished today,

Gurey who is talking about abandonning religion?

I was just comparing two societies and said my preference for the wetern society

B.

westen society is superior to the arabs in every wya..

but it is not superior to islam..

Bareento , I grew up with africans from West french speaking Africa from the age of 9 till I was about 19. Never in my life has an arab told me I was something other than him , never has an arab called me "cabd" or "black" or "adoon", where the cameroonese , ivorians and the likes routinely reminded me of the foreign influx in my blood {as they saw me} and the fact that I wasn't really a true african , wallahi. I don't however hold any grudge against any other african , so it can go both ways man ! Free yourself

Winston Churhill summed it best when he said: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

Untill someone comes up with better alternatives to democracy that have been tried and tested, then democracy is the best form of government around.

Bareento, that just has to do with history. The west has a history of civil rights movements where Africans fought to change the system and get to where it is today. It’s not because of the righteousness of the white man lol. That history doesn’t exist in the middle east. Their society has never been forced to accept other people. And xenophobia exists everywhere. Even on this forum. It’s just human ignorance, nothing to do with this or that race. Rather than get worked up about it, just take the advice of the Prophet (saw) and stay away from the ignorant. If you hate their race or nationality, then that makes you no better than them. Just relax. You shouldn't hate people based on their ancestry. Be civilized.