chiefcaaqil why do you support the kenyan invasion

[KingMJ]

The fact of the matter is you have already left Somalia, you have left Somalinimo

So in other words Somalia=Somalinimo??

Yet with your wish of succeeding to Kenya that in turn is not the same and is not "leaving somalinimo" hmm.

[Username1]

To respond to that is to legitimize drivel. All I have to say is the Kenyans are not going back and the next stop is Baardheere and Kismaayo. My dream of Kenyan suzerainty is coming true. Imagine four years ago I dreamed of a Kenyan suzereinty over the land. Two years ago in Kenya my dream increased and all those times I felt alone in even Kenyan influence in the land and today Kenyan boots, money, attention, and determination is in Jubbaland from Gedo to the Indian Ocean. They are getting ready to take the two principal towns in Jubbaland from Shabaab, Kismaayo and Baardheere, and are going to make sure to leave an administration that comes under their patronship. Forget about Somaliland and false and meaningless Somali unity, there is a possibility that the dream could even be taken up a notch and federation of Jubbaland with Kenya could even become plausible sometime in the future.

I have never had so much hope in the future. I am in a moment of celebration.

We built a state, you dream of being a second class citizen to a flat nosed bantu...
Not all men are created equal...
Voltage after that above garbage dont ever look at a man from Somaliland or Puntland in the eye as equals. You have failed the test and thrown the towel..
Today you have proudly accepted to go into Bantu ownership.

[Voltage]

And who told you Somalis are second-class citizens in Kenya? Have you been to Kenya? Nay, I do not want a Jubbaland part of Somalia nor independent, a territory federated within the Republic of Kenya is the future bi idni laahi kariim

Ulterior-

What is to be gained from independence? Some perceived pride? Do you think I am like Somalilanders; delusional about this globalizing world? Jubbaland that is independent will be weak and will be run by a society that still mirrors that which destroyed Somalia not to mention will come under heaving interference from Ethiopia. I am a minority in America; that means nothing. All Somalis know is how to function in emotionally driven impracticalities. A Jubbaland that joins Kenya will see an increased Somali numbers, more seats, participation, will also garner massive investment, will have at its disposal the opportunity to partake in East Africa's most developed market based system, and will have the protection and sovereignty of the Kenyan state, which by all accounts seems to be the most democratic and somewhat accountable in the region particularly now with constitutional reform. Jubbaland has everything to gain by federating with Kenya and has everything to lose by being part of Somalia or seeking independence.

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The civilized world is beyond the understandings of the third world man's notions of "pride". Time to be pragmatic.

[Khalid Ali]

Voltage has lost it now he dreams about how he could be the best dabodhilif for the kukuyos

[ToughGong]

The fact of the matter is you have already left Somalia, you have left Somalinimo

So in other words Somalia=Somalinimo??

Yet with your wish of succeeding to Kenya that in turn is not the same and is not "leaving somalinimo" hmm.

This guy waa hypocracy incarnate he aspires for a Somalia where all clans should be equal and where the rule of law should be paramount At the same time he glorifies the kacaan, where all those things mentioned were thown out the window Where nepotism was the order of the day and an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, nor any other form of checks and balances was the norm













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[Username1]

Voltage has lost it now he dreams about how he could be the best dabodhilif for the kukuyos

Can you imagine bal. From a mansion and four landcruisers, the big farm in afgoye, to big a butler for a jet black bantu name Jeffery Wantanga

That my friend Khalid is what they call a huge fall from grace. Imagine if Voltages folks did not take all that money from the state covers or used neoptism to elevate themselves but work hard like the poor hard working Isaaq's. Today all those five star generals, all those diplomats have amounted to zero and our good friend Voltage is here amongst the free men of Somaliland justifying to us why his dream is to be a proud butler for his Bantu masters..

[KingMJ]

The fact of the matter is you have already left Somalia, you have left Somalinimo

So in other words Somalia=Somalinimo??

Yet with your wish of succeeding to Kenya that in turn is not the same and is not "leaving somalinimo" hmm.

This guy waa hypocracy incarnate he aspires for a Somalia where all clans should be equal and where the rule of law should be paramount At the same time he glorifies the kacaan, where all those things mentioned were thown out the window Where nepotism was the order of the day and an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, nor any other form of checks and balances was the norm

Great point sxb, I noticed this too he seems to be a smart guy and says a lot of things but when you analyse his work you can see a lot of holes in the points he makes.

[Voltage]

The orphans of the Queen engaging in reverse psychology is quite the pits. Username, speaking of maids, wallahi I had personal ones in Nukuru and Nairobi where my father owns houses and Mombasa with a habar yar of mine. In the Jubbaland I imagine, it would be a developing, civilized society modeled after the greater political and economic system of the Republic of Kenya. Of course those Somalis who have worked within the system of Kenya have risen to be the highest members of Kenyan society and so there is no reason not to assume Jubbaland State will not rise to become the the most developed of Kenya's regions with its natural resources, its special attention and investment given as a result of territory that has fled civil war Somalia, and its large diaspora base which already invests heavily in Kenya, not to mention they are already allies and business partners of Somali clans of Kenya such as the Murulle, Ogaden, and Degodiye. We would just be removing a farcical border with peoples we already are part of. The future is great.

[Voltage]

This guy waa hypocracy incarnate he aspires for a Somalia where all clans should be equal and where the rule of law should be paramount At the same time he glorifies the kacaan, where all those things mentioned were thown out the window Where nepotism was the order of the day and an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, nor any other form of checks and balances was the norm

The Regime was in power for 21 years and many events took place, some of which adversely affected certain or specific parts of the Somali nation. Certainly many mistakes were made and certainly even abuses and human rights violations took place. I have always noticed that many regime-loyalists are ready to admit this but what stop them are two things. 1.) The nature of the opposition categorically vilifying the whole regime and its tenure prejudiced by some of the adverse occurrences and 2.) the nature of categorically putting the blame on a single man or even a single tribe. Where then is the meeting point Abdiwahab? If you say the loyalists need to categorically vilify the regime and bless the rebellion, why then is an individual like you never ready to denounce the rebels who committed as equally adverse violations? When the regime fell in 1991, Hussein Kulmiye Afrah and Abdiqasim Salad Hassan, two of the tiers of the regimes, were safe in Mogadishu while a 60 year old lady from Garowe who might have been resisting the regime 13 years ago wasn't safe. There is a disconnect here that Somalis have got to overcome if they are going to be honest with each other.

The Regime did many positive things and resulted in many positive developments, the regime is also accountable to many abuses and human rights violations that took place. Neither was the good done by one man or tribe and neither was the bad done by one man or tribe. Similarly, the rebels weren't completely innocent and even after the regime have much to be responsible for. Ultimately, like you said an honest reflection of history will need every single individual, clan, and group to be held accountable holistically and without prejudice to the facts.

[Username1]

Voltage my youth, send me a postcard when you reach your destination..










































































If you master allows you the few minutes off.

[Voltage]

As soon as the effort is included, I shall send all of you one and invite you to tour Naivasha valley from near Nakuru town where we exploit land we own.

[gemini07]

Voltage,

Were you not for Jubbaland to join kenya? You do not support Azania because the Ogadens and Mjs have hijacked the Merehan plan and did not include them? Let's be honest here.

Majerten have nothing to do with Jubbaland. They do not settle in one village in Jubbaland most of their presence in Kismaayo is a result of the Mogadishu qax where the Marehan and Ogaden fleeing went to their villages around the valley, whereas most other Darod led by MJ settled in Kismaayo.

wait, this is coming from the same guy whose parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents etc were born in mudug/hawd? not one of your ancestors were born in the south, let alone kismayo, and there isn't one marehan whose parents were born in kismayo on this entire forum, so come off it. no one is falling for attempt at rewriting history.

[Voltage]

Carab Saalax also living in Boosaaso. From what I know Fiqi Shini also live in Burco. And?

[gemini07]

Carab Saalax also living in Boosaaso. From what I know Fiqi Shini also live in Burco. And?

walaahi i feel sorry for you. you think if you keep repeating your lies, that people other than your brain-dead tribesmen will fall for it. well we don't believe you, you need more people.

accept the fact that you and your family are from villages in galgaduud and hawd. the closest marehan to being "reer kismayo" on this whole forum is muraxand he admitted that his dad came to kismayo as a teenage. how friggin sad is that.


viva azania. they can use israel to get rid of you squatters if they have to and they will have my full support.

[Voltage]

You do protest too much young girl. When I say "Majerten" I am not mentioning civilians who might live in Kismaayo today here and there. I am talking about being a political, military, numerical, etc force anywhere in Kismaayo or the Jubba Valley. "Azania/Jubbaland" will be from the tip of Gedo to the Indian Ocean...in that scheme of things you are like Ciise Darood or Carab Saalax in Puntland. You don't factor in anywhere prominently or even halfheartedly in the discourse. Whether you accept that right now or you don't, that is the reality.