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Voltage wrote:The fact of the matter is you have already left Somalia, you have left Somalinimo

Voltage wrote:To respond to that is to legitimize drivel. All I have to say is the Kenyans are not going back and the next stop is Baardheere and Kismaayo. My dream of Kenyan suzerainty is coming true. Imagine four years ago I dreamed of a Kenyan suzereinty over the land. Two years ago in Kenya my dream increased and all those times I felt alone in even Kenyan influence in the land and today Kenyan boots, money, attention, and determination is in Jubbaland from Gedo to the Indian Ocean. They are getting ready to take the two principal towns in Jubbaland from Shabaab, Kismaayo and Baardheere, and are going to make sure to leave an administration that comes under their patronship. Forget about Somaliland and false and meaningless Somali unity, there is a possibility that the dream could even be taken up a notch and federation of Jubbaland with Kenya could even become plausible sometime in the future.

I have never had so much hope in the future. I am in a moment of celebration.

Voltage wrote:Ulterior-

What is to be gained from independence? Some perceived pride? Do you think I am like Somalilanders; delusional about this globalizing world? Jubbaland that is independent will be weak and will be run by a society that still mirrors that which destroyed Somalia not to mention will come under heaving interference from Ethiopia. I am a minority in America; that means nothing. All Somalis know is how to function in emotionally driven impracticalities. A Jubbaland that joins Kenya will see an increased Somali numbers, more seats, participation, will also garner massive investment, will have at its disposal the opportunity to partake in East Africa's most developed market based system, and will have the protection and sovereignty of the Kenyan state, which by all accounts seems to be the most democratic and somewhat accountable in the region particularly now with constitutional reform. Jubbaland has everything to gain by federating with Kenya and has everything to lose by being part of Somalia or seeking independence.

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KingMJ wrote:

Voltage wrote:The fact of the matter is you have already left Somalia, you have left Somalinimo

So in other words Somalia=Somalinimo??

Yet with your wish of succeeding to Kenya that in turn is not the same and is not "leaving somalinimo" hmm.

khalid ali wrote:Voltage has lost it now he dreams about how he could be the best dabodhilif for the kukuyos

seemeyer wrote:

KingMJ wrote:

Voltage wrote:The fact of the matter is you have already left Somalia, you have left Somalinimo

So in other words Somalia=Somalinimo??

Yet with your wish of succeeding to Kenya that in turn is not the same and is not "leaving somalinimo" hmm.

This guy waa hypocracy incarnate he aspires for a Somalia where all clans should be equal and where the rule of law should be paramount At the same time he glorifies the kacaan, where all those things mentioned were thown out the window Where nepotism was the order of the day and an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, nor any other form of checks and balances was the norm

seemeyer wrote:
This guy waa hypocracy incarnate he aspires for a Somalia where all clans should be equal and where the rule of law should be paramount At the same time he glorifies the kacaan, where all those things mentioned were thown out the window Where nepotism was the order of the day and an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, nor any other form of checks and balances was the norm

Voltage wrote:The Regime was in power for 21 years and many events took place, some of which adversely affected certain or specific parts of the Somali nation. Certainly many mistakes were made and certainly even abuses and human rights violations took place. I have always noticed that many regime-loyalists are ready to admit this but what stop them are two things. 1.) The nature of the opposition categorically vilifying the whole regime and its tenure prejudiced by some of the adverse occurrences and 2.) the nature of categorically putting the blame on a single man or even a single tribe. Where then is the meeting point Abdiwahab? If you say the loyalists need to categorically vilify the regime and bless the rebellion, why then is an individual like you never ready to denounce the rebels who committed as equally adverse violations? When the regime fell in 1991, Hussein Kulmiye Afrah and Abdiqasim Salad Hassan, two of the tiers of the regimes, were safe in Mogadishu while a 60 year old lady from Garowe who might have been resisting the regime 13 years ago wasn't safe. There is a disconnect here that Somalis have got to overcome if they are going to be honest with each other.

The Regime did many positive things and resulted in many positive developments, the regime is also accountable to many abuses and human rights violations that took place. Neither was the good done by one man or tribe and neither was the bad done by one man or tribe. Similarly, the rebels weren't completely innocent and even after the regime have much to be responsible for. Ultimately, like you said an honest reflection of history will need every single individual, clan, and group to be held accountable holistically and without prejudice to the facts.

Voltage wrote:

Ismail_Boss wrote:Voltage,

Were you not for Jubbaland to join kenya? You do not support Azania because the Ogadens and Mjs have hijacked the Merehan plan and did not include them? Let's be honest here.

Majerten have nothing to do with Jubbaland. They do not settle in one village in Jubbaland most of their presence in Kismaayo is a result of the Mogadishu qax where the Marehan and Ogaden fleeing went to their villages around the valley, whereas most other Darod led by MJ settled in Kismaayo.

Voltage wrote:Carab Saalax also living in Boosaaso. From what I know Fiqi Shini also live in Burco. And?