American military strike against Iran likely

[Grant]

Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11 ... erational/

[nassir71]

ur opinion on this union?

I am not particularly excited by the prospect of military intervention in Iran. We just pulled out of Iraq and the nation's blood thirst from 9/11 has been satisfied. However, if we allow Iran to develop nuclear weaponry that will set off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the world's most volatile region, and that is something we cannot let happen. The greater the number of unstable regimes that have access to the nuke, the greater the possibility that one will go off in unfortunate circumstances. I feel the pros of attacking Iran outweigh the cons and clearly sanctions and diplomacy haven't been working, it's time to act decisively before its too late.

Yours?

Wallahi you are the most brainwashed moron I have yet to come across. You just repeating the typical conservative narrative of an incoming apocalypse and bringing this shit here. What is the evidence Iran is racing towards nuclear weapons? This is utter nonsense. Not even the recent IAEA report could confirm this. Iran's main nuclear and enrichment facilities are under IAEA watch 24/7. What the Iranians want is nuclear weapons capability, the option to break out and acquire nukes in a short period of time. This is a far cry from actually getting one - which would be a strategically inept move, and the Iranians have said this many times.

There will be no war. Obama is just barking right now to appease Jewish campaign contributors. Consequences for war with Iran far outweigh its benefits. Read legendary Stephen Walt on the issue:
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... a_bad_idea

[gurey25]

Airstrikes are not enough..
remember what happened in Serbia?

You got the Serbs on their knees by targeting public infratructure like power stations, water supply, public buildings
basiclly Terror.

The serbs did well and applied the lessons of maskirovka excellently.
After the war Nato analaysis was embrassed to discover that less than 10% of millitary targets were hit.

Nato spent the war, bombing plastic tanks, and plastic trucks, and fake buildings.



So i expect that all that this does, is simply to accelerate the Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program.

Its on hold now, because the Iranians are working on leapfrogging current nuclear technology and directly moving to 3rd generation weapons
in the time frame of 2015-2020. This was going to allow them to build small bombs with Uranium instead of Plutonium which is in shortage difficult to produce(you need a reactor not centrifuges).

Any attack will not get their centrifuges which are distributes all over the country and which are produced in larger numbers every day.
Plus the Iranians have already completed theoretical modelling of Uranium derived bombs with their supercomputers, this data augments what they already got from the North Koreans and the Pakistani tests.
They have already completed warhead design as well.


They planned to comply fully with the IAEA and NPT treaty till then, and they have done so.
There is no legal requirement from the Iranians that they have not completed, they have played by the rules to the letter.

This is not enough for the Isrealis and their proxies, following the rules is not enough,
yiu have to follow the dictates of Tel Aviv, only then will you be safe.

[union]

ur opinion on this union?

I am not particularly excited by the prospect of military intervention in Iran. We just pulled out of Iraq and the nation's blood thirst from 9/11 has been satisfied. However, if we allow Iran to develop nuclear weaponry that will set off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the world's most volatile region, and that is something we cannot let happen. The greater the number of unstable regimes that have access to the nuke, the greater the possibility that one will go off in unfortunate circumstances. I feel the pros of attacking Iran outweigh the cons and clearly sanctions and diplomacy haven't been working, it's time to act decisively before its too late.

Yours?

Wallahi you are the most brainwashed moron I have yet to come across. You just repeating the typical conservative narrative of an incoming apocalypse and bringing this shit here. What is the evidence Iran is racing towards nuclear weapons? This is utter nonsense. Not even the recent IAEA report could confirm this. Iran's main nuclear and enrichment facilities are under IAEA watch 24/7. What the Iranians want is nuclear weapons capability, the option to break out and acquire nukes in a short period of time. This is a far cry from actually getting one - which would be a strategically inept move, and the Iranians have said this many times.

There will be no war. Obama is just barking right now to appease Jewish campaign contributors. Consequences for war with Iran far outweigh its benefits. Read legendary Stephen Walt on the issue:
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... a_bad_idea

This post really confirmed my suspicion of you as being particularly obtuse.

[union]

Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11 ... erational/

Air force equipping itself with gigantic bunker buster bombs
hmmm....

[grandpakhalif]

Let them (zionist and shias) finish each other, as long as saudi arabia is safe.

[abgaalKING]

I think The US president obama is doing all he can to get re-elected in the next US presidential election and present himself as a friend of israel and defender of the only democratic jewish state in the middle east.The Jewish voters plus a hefty cash from the powerful jewish lobbies will mostly likely boost his re-election campaign in return ,these guys want iran be punished for pursuing weapons of mass murder and stop iran from dominating the oil rich middle eastern region.Israel sees Iran as an existential threat which must be confronted by all means.in reality how ever,the US public is wary of Unnecessary wars and any attack on iran will unleash Iran Deadly proxies such hisbollah and hamas agains israel and US strategic interets in the persian gulf.The whole region will blaze and the oil prices wil soar up as iran closes the narrow strategic hormuz strait in which more than 30 % of worlds oil ships pass.The wars in Afghanistan,iraq,the rise of militans in nuclear armed pakistan ,the semi weekly drone attacks in somalia and yemen,the unrest in libya and Egypt and now a war with an apocalyptic iranian regime capable of showring israel with Missiles in virtually every jewish city.I dont think it will happen and the best logical outcome of this US -Iranian stalemate is a nuclear armed iran and the US changing its approach from regime change to mutually Assured Destruction.After all,the Mad Mullahs in Iran wont gamble on the great 7000 age old persian civilization and its calture.As sanctions failed and military strike seems unlikely given the current status quo,the persians will gain the upper hand.

No one is denying that war with Iran will have very serious consequences for the region and the entire world, but my argument is that the consequences to the region and the world AFTER they get the nuclear bomb is much more grave than whatever they maybe now. Sure, Iran may bomb a few Israeli cities and sink a few American ships if we attack them now, but if the free world ever goes to war against Iran in the future the devastation will be much greater. Iran is a country that is lead by religious fanatics; in fact President Ahmedjinjhad was heralding the imminent return of the 12th Imam during his UN speech (and guess what precedes the Imams arrival? War and chaos…) and these are not the type of people who should ever be allowed access to a weapon of mass destruction. This is not merely about defending Israel, it’s about the interests of the U.S and the world aswell but the Israelies are natural allies in this. Already very senior delegations have been sent to Israel and the U.S president met with his Israeli counterpart recently. America’s two leading military men are also suggesting that a strike is close at hand. It’s still a prediction on my part, but I feel confident of it.

There is one problem with that,the same was said when pakistan Got the nukes and the islamic Bomb hysteria run amok in all major western capitals and so far pakistan never used its stockpile of Nukes which is capable of completely annihilating india and asia.Given the pressure iran faces from the US-ISrael alliance for military strike,it will likely accelerate their nuclear program into get the bomb to scare off this attack.after all,WMD became the ultimate deterrance against any foreign invasion.and the concern of iranians is understandable when you have a great power like US threatening to attack iran with tactical nuclear weapons aka the so called bunker buster bombs which are basically made of nuclear fission materials.if the jewish defence minister ehud barak was quoted as saying "if he was iran,he would try to get the bomb quickly".There is no correlation of the arrival of the mahdi and irans nuclear weapons after all,iranians are rational civilized people and not some tribal arab camel herders,their history ,culture and civilization predates judaism and that of the europians calture and they no the risks involved in using strategic nuclear weapons.mind you that israel have a large community of hardliners which have infiltrated the governmnet like the fascist ,racist avidgor Lieberman who enjoys the support of the ultra-orthodox jews who believe israel to be the facilitator of the war against the Antichrist and the arrival of the messiah who will bring the salvation of jews while punishing the gentiles.If iran gets the bomb which seems they will,it will become more bold and daring and its proxies will get stronger and that is why israel is doing everything it can to persuade the pentagon to take action.

[udun]

Israel knows how to **** America over and get away with it. Paradoxically, America comes to Israel's rescue in a heartbeat.

Netanyahu: 'America is a thing you can move very easily' http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkp ... ing_y.html

Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."

"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate."
-- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973 on CBS' "Face the Nation".

"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews..... terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country"

-----Sec. of State John Foster Dulles quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff

The long history of bipartisan Congressional support for Israel led former Secretary of State James Baker to call the Congress "The Little Knesset" after Israel's Knesset (parliament) in Jerusalem.

http://mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html

One should have no illusion, the "chosen" calls the shots in the USA. It is amazing how they do it. It is really not about quantity but quality!

[union]

Stop with the anti semitism.

The Jews are a nomadic tribe who've only survived by being more clever than those who seek to destroy them. Truly the bright light of heaven illuminates their path.

[union]

I think The US president obama is doing all he can to get re-elected in the next US presidential election and present himself as a friend of israel and defender of the only democratic jewish state in the middle east.The Jewish voters plus a hefty cash from the powerful jewish lobbies will mostly likely boost his re-election campaign in return ,these guys want iran be punished for pursuing weapons of mass murder and stop iran from dominating the oil rich middle eastern region.Israel sees Iran as an existential threat which must be confronted by all means.in reality how ever,the US public is wary of Unnecessary wars and any attack on iran will unleash Iran Deadly proxies such hisbollah and hamas agains israel and US strategic interets in the persian gulf.The whole region will blaze and the oil prices wil soar up as iran closes the narrow strategic hormuz strait in which more than 30 % of worlds oil ships pass.The wars in Afghanistan,iraq,the rise of militans in nuclear armed pakistan ,the semi weekly drone attacks in somalia and yemen,the unrest in libya and Egypt and now a war with an apocalyptic iranian regime capable of showring israel with Missiles in virtually every jewish city.I dont think it will happen and the best logical outcome of this US -Iranian stalemate is a nuclear armed iran and the US changing its approach from regime change to mutually Assured Destruction.After all,the Mad Mullahs in Iran wont gamble on the great 7000 age old persian civilization and its calture.As sanctions failed and military strike seems unlikely given the current status quo,the persians will gain the upper hand.

No one is denying that war with Iran will have very serious consequences for the region and the entire world, but my argument is that the consequences to the region and the world AFTER they get the nuclear bomb is much more grave than whatever they maybe now. Sure, Iran may bomb a few Israeli cities and sink a few American ships if we attack them now, but if the free world ever goes to war against Iran in the future the devastation will be much greater. Iran is a country that is lead by religious fanatics; in fact President Ahmedjinjhad was heralding the imminent return of the 12th Imam during his UN speech (and guess what precedes the Imams arrival? War and chaos…) and these are not the type of people who should ever be allowed access to a weapon of mass destruction. This is not merely about defending Israel, it’s about the interests of the U.S and the world aswell but the Israelies are natural allies in this. Already very senior delegations have been sent to Israel and the U.S president met with his Israeli counterpart recently. America’s two leading military men are also suggesting that a strike is close at hand. It’s still a prediction on my part, but I feel confident of it.

There is one problem with that,the same was said when pakistan Got the nukes and the islamic Bomb hysteria run amok in all major western capitals and so far pakistan never used its stockpile of Nukes which is capable of completely annihilating india and asia.Given the pressure iran faces from the US-ISrael alliance for military strike,it will likely accelerate their nuclear program into get the bomb to scare off this attack.after all,WMD became the ultimate deterrance against any foreign invasion.and the concern of iranians is understandable when you have a great power like US threatening to attack iran with tactical nuclear weapons aka the so called bunker buster bombs which are basically made of nuclear fission materials.if the jewish defence minister ehud barak was quoted as saying "if he was iran,he would try to get the bomb quickly".There is no correlation of the arrival of the mahdi and irans nuclear weapons after all,iranians are rational civilized people and not some tribal arab camel herders,their history ,culture and civilization predates judaism and that of the europians calture and they no the risks involved in using strategic nuclear weapons.mind you that israel have a large community of hardliners which have infiltrated the governmnet like the fascist ,racist avidgor Lieberman who enjoys the support of the ultra-orthodox jews who believe israel to be the facilitator of the war against the Antichrist and the arrival of the messiah who will bring the salvation of jews while punishing the gentiles.If iran gets the bomb which seems they will,it will become more bold and daring and its proxies will get stronger and that is why israel is doing everything it can to persuade the pentagon to take action.

Pakistan and North Korea both have nuclear weapons, true, but that shouldn't mean the flood gate to nuclear proliferation should be opened to every tyrannical regime seeking to make its reign permanent. if Iran gets the bomb it will start a nuclear arms race in the middle east, something even unsettling for the Saudis who've secretly called upon the Israelis to strike at Iran. It was a mistake and horrible instance of political cowardice allowing Pakistan and North Korea to get the bomb, and that mistake shouldn't be repeated again with Iran. The window to strike is quickly closing, and it remains to be seen whether Obama will be bold or resort to being weak and indecisive in the face of a grave threat.

[Shirib]

Let them (zionist and shias) finish each other, as long as saudi arabia is safe.

you are an idiot. And the House of Saud will fall, the traitors will be dealt with. They support the massacre of Muslims

[grandpakhalif]

Let them (zionist and shias) finish each other, as long as saudi arabia is safe.

you are an idiot. And the House of Saud will fall, the traitors will be dealt with. They support the massacre of Muslims

What's your proof for this except slander. Are you a khariji? why do you incite revolt against the rulers?

[Shirib]

Let them (zionist and shias) finish each other, as long as saudi arabia is safe.

you are an idiot. And the House of Saud will fall, the traitors will be dealt with. They support the massacre of Muslims

What's your proof for this except slander. Are you a khariji? why do you incite revolt against the rulers?

The Saudi government supported the invasion of Iraq, did they not? They even gave material support to attack Iraq. You can't be against United States for attacking Iraq and in the same hand support the Saudi government, that my friend is what you call hypocricy.

If a ruler is unjust and tyrannical get rid of him, that's called common f*ckin sense.

[waryaa]

union, r u surprised? I told u so a long time ago in your "US troops pullout" thread. I said Obama is leaving Iraq and Afghanistan because he doesn't want collateral damage if he locks horns with Iran. America has been @ war since its creation and I won't be surprised if Iran becomes the next front.

About Iran obliterating Israel, It was Saddam's slogan too. Tiny Israel is much more powerful and technologically advanced than Iran.

[AhmedBoqor]

I find it hard to believe that under this democratic government we will see any sort of attack against Iran. Maybe if he's given a 2nd term. Regardless, any republican nominated for presidency with the exception of Ron Paul will certainly make the years post Obama era interesting.