An In Dept Review Of The 77 War: A Must Watch.

[luis1]

Nomad,We are talking about Ogaden War and Yusuf.Nobody cares if Yusuf is a hero or not.

I would like to know your opinion(with sources which prove your point of view) about Ogaden War.

[Colonel]

I prefer to cutt my own throat instead of listening to that disgusting old bastard traitor.

Curse upon the traitors

[zingii]

walle look at this propaganda they are trying to throw at out faces abdullahi yusuf a war hero abdullahi yusuf a patriot sxb this is the first nigga who rebelled against the somali goverment and ran to his pimp mengistu and was funded by him. he then invited his suger daddy melis zanawi to somalia

this is the war hero? this is the arch enemy of ethiopia?

[Somalian_Boqor]

Somalian_Boqor

Thank you for the answer.

I would like to ask you something about Ogaden War 1977/78

Was Somali Army militarily defeated in Ogaden War by Cuba and Russia?

Was Ogaden War a militar defeat for Somali Army?

I heard Somali Army defeated Ethiopian Army at the beginning of the war but Ethiopia Army with Cuba and Russia aid defeated Somali Army in 1978.

Ahmed Yusuf agrees Somali Army was defeated by Cuba and Russia.

Perhaps you know this somali author: Hussein Ali Dualeh and his book

"From Barre to Aideed: Somalia : the agony of a nation"

The Cuban soldiers, using helicopter gunships, soon managed to totally occupy the Somali-Ethiopian border, while the Somali army was still inside Ethiopia, thus sealing the Somali army's line of retreat

Soon after the defeat of the Somali army in the Ethiopia-Somali war, a group of senior Somali army officers

The Somali Army was not defeated, but political circumstances and political failure of the Siyad Barre Regime made victory over Ethiopians impossible. The true outcome is the reality that when it is only Ethiopia vs Somalia the Ethiopians are no match against the Might of Somalia.

[luis1]

Hi Somalian_Boqor.

I dont agree with you, Somali Army was defeated by Cuba and Russia not by Ethiopia.I would like to see your sources which prove that Somali Army defeated Cuba and Russia in 1977/78.There are not such sources on Net.Find me one sources which say Somalia defeated Cuba and Russia on the battlefield.

Look at these sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War

The expected Ethiopian-Cuban attack occurred in early February; however, it was accompanied by a second attack that the Somalis did not expect. A column of Ethiopian and Cuban troops crossed northeast into the highlands between Jijiga and the border with Somalia, bypassing the SNA-WSLF force defending the Marda Pass. The attackers were thus able to assault from two directions in a "pincer" action, allowing the re-capture of Jijiga in only two days while killing 3,000 defenders. The Somali defense collapsed and every major Ethiopian town was recaptured in the following weeks. Recognizing that his position was untenable, Siad Barre ordered the SNA to retreat back into Somalia on 9 March 1978, although Rene LaFort claims that the Somalis, having foreseen the inevitable, had already withdrawn its heavy weapons.The last significant Somali unit left Ethiopia on 15 March 1978, marking the end of the war.

[edit] Effects of the warFollowing the withdrawal of the SNA, the WSLF continued their insurgency. By May 1980, the rebels, with the assistance of a small number of SNA soldiers who continued to help the guerilla war, controlled a substantial region of the Ogaden. However by 1981 the insurgents were reduced to sporadic hit-and-run attacks and were finally defeated.

The Ogaden War weakened the Somali military. Almost one-third of the regular SNA soldiers, three-eighths of the armored units and half of the Somali Air Force (SAF) were lost

http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=47

All efforts of Barre's regime were in vain, however: the ultimate catastrophe occurred on 5 March 1978, when Gen. Petrov initiated a large combined-arms offensive against remnants of two Somali Army brigades and some minor WSLF-units concentrated at Jijiga. Within only few hours of that morning, the Cuban-flown Ethiopian MiG-21s, MiG-23s, and Mi-24s flew no less but 140 combat sorties, hitting the Somalis harder than ever before. Deploying the Ethiopian Infantry with Cuban armour and artillery support in a frontal attack against Somalis at Jijiga, Petrov simultaneously dispatched all available Mi-6s and Mi-8s to fly troops and 70 ASU-87s and BRDMs deep behind the enemy frontlines. These were followed by the second Cuban mechanized brigade, which drove deep around the Somali flank.

The Somalis fought bravely, but they had little armour on their own, no air cover and dwindling stocks of ammunition. "They were sitting ducks. They didn't have a chance", explained one military expert close to the Ethiopian high command in Mogadishu to foreing media.

After learning about the rout at Jijiga, Barre immediately announced that all Somali troops would be withdrawn from Ethiopia. It was too late: suffering catastrophic losses, the remaining Somali units dropped their weapons, fleeing north-east in complete disarray, pursued by Cuban tanks which drove through Jijiga and continued eastwards at a high pace. Behind them two Ethiopian divisions immediately started mopping-up operations, re-occupying Ogaden within the following week, and concluding their operations in the Jijiga area by 14 March.

[luis1]

You wrote this,I think it belongs to the Yusuf book.

Introduction into the book back cover:

Colonel Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed's influence on the military and political landscape of Somalia has been felt for more than half a century of service to his country. He took part in two wars that Somalia engaged with Ethiopia. In the first, in 1964 he won a medal and citation for the bravery and leadership he displayed in the battle field. In 1977 war, he was in overall command of the Southern sector of the operation. Poor political leadership lay at the core of the defeat of the Somali army in this war. following the defeat and withdrawal from the battle thretre, Abduallhi Yusuf and other officers tried and failed to stage a coup against the regime. He than tried to topple the regime by armed insurgency. Although Abduallhi Yusuf did not succeed to bring down the government, others who followed his method manged to achieve what he could not. His journey was cut short by the Ethiopian regime who arrested him for six good years without charge or trail, when he stood up for his principle. Both the Ethiopian and Somali regimes were brought down by armed insurgency in 1991 while he was in prison in Addis Ababa.

The authors says Somali Army was defeated,he says this opinion.

Following the defeat and withdrawal from the battle

Everybody knows Somali Army was defeated by Cuba and Russia.The cubans and russians saved Ethiopia.

[FAH1223]

This guy luis1 only comes out when 77 is mentioned
And that guy Angst only comes out when evelotion is mentione

its true, wtf

[Somalian_Boqor]

walle look at this propaganda they are trying to throw at out faces abdullahi yusuf a war hero abdullahi yusuf a patriot sxb this is the first nigga who rebelled against the somali goverment and ran to his pimp mengistu and was funded by him. he then invited his suger daddy melis zanawi to somalia

this is the war hero? this is the arch enemy of ethiopia?

So now undisputed Facts are propaganda?

Nomand, Let's Deal In Facts: I Am Assuming You Know Somali History 101

Fact: Col. Abduallahi Yusuf Axmed

A Man who took part in two Foreign Wars for his country is not a Patriot? And decorated for bravery and courage in both wars?

The 77 War With Ethiopia is what makes Abdullahi Yusuf A War Hero by definition! He led the whole Somali National Army's southern front in the Ogaden War. Commanding some 35,000 strong men into battle. The greatest military victories for Somalia against Ethiopia in 1977 was the result of the Somali National Army's southern front. Col. Abduallhi Yusuf commanding forces were able to completely destroy the 3rd and 4th Ethiopian Infantry Divisions. His forces reached within 70km of the Ethiopian capital. If you do not know what a War Hero is here is the definition.

A war hero is anyone who has performed heroic acts under fire, been recognized and decorated for those acts.

Somalia was easily overpowering Ethiopian military hardware and technology capability. Army-general Vasily Petrov of the Soviet Armed Forces had to report back to Moscow the "sorry state" of the Ethiopian army. The 3rd and 4th Ethiopian Infantry Divisions that suffered the brunt of the Somali invasion had practically ceased to exist.

Ahmed joined the Somali Army during the 1950s, and was promoted to the post of commander in 1960.[5] As a soldier, he participated in the Somali-Ethiopian war of 1964 and was decorated for bravery.

He later commanded the Somali National Army's (SNA) southern front in the Ogaden War against neighboring Ethiopia. For his efforts, Ahmed was again decorated for courage

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3097438

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... 86/KCA.htm

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/oscar/ogaden1976.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War

[luis1]

Somalian_Boqor

I have read all your sources(above) and every source say Somali Army was defeated by Cuba and Russia.

I have read Gebru Tareke(ethiopian author).


The Etiopia-Somalia War of 1977 Revisited

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3097438

He says:

The dramatic and massive intervention by socialist countries enabled the ethiopians to crush and repel the invading army, which never recovered fully from its stunning defeat

[SahanGalbeed]

Hey luis 1 stop busting our balls compagnero !

[luis1]

If you dont have anything interesting to say about Ogaden War,get out of here.

We are talking about Ogaden War,we want to know what really happened in this war.

You are welcome if you have sources about this war if not you get out of here.

I said to Somali_boqor that all his sources(above)say Somalia lost the war.I know all these sources and they say that Somalia was defeated in 1978.

If you think I am wrong about Ogaden War,show me sources about that War which say Somalia won the war.

I have been here since 2006 and nobody can show me one source about the somali "military victory" in Ogaden War 1977/78.

Is too much to ask sources about Ogaden War?

[Somalian_Boqor]

The war was between Somalia and Ethiopia and in that Somalia won.

But against the combined forces of more than 4 different countries including yemen, Cuba, Russia and Ethiopia Somalia was defeated.

[luis1]

Somalian_Boqor

Have you read the book of Yusuf :

"Struggle and Conspiracy: A Memoir (Halgan iyo Hagardaamo: Taariikh Nololeed)"

What is his(Yusuf) opinion about Why Somalia lost the Ogaden War?

[Somalian_Boqor]

Somalian_Boqor

Have you read the book of Yusuf :

"Struggle and Conspiracy: A Memoir (Halgan iyo Hagardaamo: Taariikh Nololeed)"

What is his(Yusuf) opinion about Why Somalia lost the Ogaden War?

I already told you that.

[luis1]

Somalian_boqor

Where did you get this?

Introduction into the book back cover:

Colonel Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed's influence on the military and political landscape of Somalia has been felt for more than half a century of service to his country. He took part in two wars that Somalia engaged with Ethiopia. In the first, in 1964 he won a medal and citation for the bravery and leadership he displayed in the battle field. In 1977 war, he was in overall command of the Southern sector of the operation. Poor political leadership lay at the core of the defeat of the Somali army in this war. following the defeat and withdrawal from the battle thretre, Abduallhi Yusuf and other officers tried and failed to stage a coup against the regime. He than tried to topple the regime by armed insurgency. Although Abduallhi Yusuf did not succeed to bring down the government, others who followed his method manged to achieve what he could not. His journey was cut short by the Ethiopian regime who arrested him for six good years without charge or trail, when he stood up for his principle. Both the Ethiopian and Somali regimes were brought down by armed insurgency in 1991 while he was in prison in Addis Ababa.

Following the collapse of the regime and the plunging of Somalia into intermccine war, he helped setup the self-governing Puntland State of Somalia, and became its first president. Six years later he was elected as President of Somalia. Abduallhi Yusuf is a driven man who knew what he wanted in life. He served in the Somali army with distinction on and off the battle field. His impact on the political arena was not successful as in the army. During his presidency, he worked hard to bring about peace in Somalia. His struggle for that objective was hampered by a well-organised conspiracy spreadheaded by prominent figures in his government, and regional powers that were allied to him at some point in the past. Halgan iyo Hagardaamo (Struggle and Conspiracy: A Memoir) is a candid account of the life and time of President Abduallhi Yusuf Ahmed and the events that shaped Somalia for the past fify years.It is about the battles that Colonel Abduallhi Yusuf Ahmed fought literally as well figuratively during this period and the successes and failures that accompanied him. It is about the conspiracy that was woven against the Somali State with help of senior political figures in the country. The book is written in a narrative style that Somali readers will find it enjoyable.