Somaliland has to stop playing small fry

[Goljano Lion]

^ why even mention foreign companies? a signature of a tfg deputy minister is more legit and legal than SL entirely.

why do you claim to bea Samaroon when infact you a Dooro horta?

[gurey25]

Militarily, Somaliland is smaller fry to Puntland (UNSC Resolution #1916 report)
Economically, Somaliland is smaller fry to Puntland (2003 UNCU study)
Politically, Somaliland is smaller fry to Puntland (obvious one)

This is without oil. The fact alone that a foreign company would make the investment of an oil rig on Puntland soil shows who is a more serious entity.

Involving oil, there is nothing called Somaliland worth frying.

pull the other one monk.
The report says nothing about somalilands millitary.
and for starters i do not take UN reports on Somaliland seriously.
I mean they have been more hostile to us than your own people and the TFG.
Its like they are on an anti-somaliland crusade.

and politically.

we are not in the same leauge , you are in somalia
which is a dead end. and you cannot leave somalia.
the political road you have taken seems promising but there is no future in somalia.

we are not in competition with you.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Gurey, I'm not comparing your toy entity to Puntland - its your cousins who keep trying to play this dead-end game, I just surface to keep them in line.

The report says nothing about somalilands millitary.
and for starters i do not take UN reports on Somaliland seriously.
I mean they have been more hostile to us than your own people and the TFG.
Its like they are on an anti-somaliland crusade.

My mistake, wrong resolution. This is the one I was referring to, the follow-up report to Resolutions 1907 & 751, dated July 18 2011. And if you don't want to believe the portions of UN reports that you don't like, so be it, but don't make up excuses. The UN does not favor one Somali group over another (with the terrorist exception), in fact the entire 400+ page report, which has been the most scathing report in decades, barely mentions Somaliland while pursuing Puntland and other groups. The report itself was prepared by Matt Bryden, a well-known friend of Somaliland. The fact that it mentions Puntland as being the best-equipped indigenous force in Somalia (page 276) is not a compliment, its an attack. Your argument kills itself.

and politically.
we are not in the same leauge , you are in somalia
which is a dead end. and you cannot leave somalia.
the political road you have taken seems promising but there is no future in somalia.

Its smart to stop while you're ahead, this is easily the most blind post I've read in a while. We are in Somalia, so are YOU (I hope you didn't forget that nasty little detail). You're right, there is no future aboard the ship called Somalia, but you are on that ship as much as we are, and as much as TwistedLogic is on and everyone else on this forum and every Somali you may know. Beyond that, I won't compare the political acumen of Puntland to the absolute joke that is Somaliland's entire diplomatic history, this one speaks for itself in volumes and even your non-native supporters know this old fact.

[gurey25]

your problem is you cannot equate our dejure status with our defacto status.
We are not part of somalia in reality, its only on paper, on paper somalia also seems to exist , when me and you both know that no such thing exists.
Your other problem is that you value the existance of somalia and believe it holds some importance,
when i do not acknowledge such a thing,
it does not exist to me, and will not exist to me..

you also think that we are participating in the same race.

when somaliland is in a different tournament , in a different stadium.

and finally you think that this means anything at all..
Mark my words we will never be under moqadishu, never.
and you are the one that is naive and deluded to believe otherwise.

and there is nothing wrong with matt brydens report,
in a way it is accurate.

but you should know that if you are serious, this is not an accurate description of the mililtary balance between both sides, it doesnt even attempt to address this.
It focuses on the triaing and equipment accumulated by Puntland especially its PIS and other units.
These are small forces.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

your problem is you cannot equate our dejure status with our defacto status.
We are not part of somalia in reality, its only on paper, on paper somalia also seems to exist , when me and you both know that no such thing exists.

Go on...

Your other problem is that you value the existance of somalia and believe it holds some importance,
when i do not acknowledge such a thing,
it does not exist to me, and will not exist to me..

I never said I value "Somalia" unless you can prove otherwise. One would imagine that after reading my posts for years you'd come to the obvious conclusion that I don't believe in nationalism. I don't believe in the false integrity and symbolism of the formerly-centralized Somali republic, but I understand the simple but powerful significance of Somalia on the world stage. If you and your clan and your chiefs believe that acting like a pouty toddler is somehow the best course of action in this very serious and enormously important situation, then I pray for your future.

you also think that we are participating in the same race.

when somaliland is in a different tournament , in a different stadium.

Again, you should stop jumping to conclusions or making up portions of dialog that don't exist; I never separately stated that "we" are participating in any "race." Puntland has objectives, Somaliland does not.

and finally you think that this means anything at all..
Mark my words we will never be under moqadishu, never.
and you are the one that is naive and deluded to believe otherwise.

You have a hard time grasping the very simple concepts I'm throwing out there. I have reiterated a million times that there is no boogeyman in Xamar and that at best it is a symbolic shell. Whether you like it or not, everyone but you considers you to be under Mogadishu, and if your fear is to be dominated by a non-existent overlord commanding from a virtual ghost town of a capital then you need to take a closer look at the real world.

and there is nothing wrong with matt brydens report,
in a way it is accurate.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the report, you did, before you even saw it. But at least you admit the truth now.

but you should know that if you are serious, this is not an accurate description of the mililtary balance between both sides, it doesnt even attempt to address this.
It focuses on the triaing and equipment accumulated by Puntland especially its PIS and other units.
These are small forces.

Those "small forces" consist of 1,000-2,000 forces, that alone suffices as a deployable military in this context.

In any case, Puntland's training and armament is very evident from years of training, and multiple sources have cited its high function and strength, there's nothing to indicate that Somaliland's "military" is anything more than a village force unless you count those commonly-cited pics of the guys standing next to ancient hardware looted before the civil war.

Anyway, I think its best we wrap this up. I came to educate your unruly cousins, nothing more.

[gurey25]

I will accept reports of independent think tanks even if they are critical of somaliland, but i do not accept propaganda from the UN bureaucracy.
In this case i told you i believe there is nothing wrong with Matt Brydens report,
but you cannot make any comparisons from the conditions of small units like 1000-2000 men.
there are allot of factors that would need to be taken into account before one attempts such a thing.
for the purposes of fadhi kudirir though it would seem valuable, probably due to most people lacking any understanding of military affairs.

and Monk we will achieve our goals sooner or later,
We cannot take the conventional path because our situation is unique, the country that we are succeeding from does not exist.
Once there is any sembelance of authority in xamar , we will sit down and iron things out.

We do not gain anything from involvement with the TFG.

If we got involved in the early 90's then that path would have been more secure and would have gaurenteed our recognition by now.
but i explained to you earlier how our political culture got in the way.


So monk we are on different journeys we wish you well, but you should know that we are not in competition with each other,
you will have to endure your time alone as the only only organized state inside somalia.

[udun]

Typical cantarabaqash from the gaalo-loving, self hating Beesha Eydoor and the crushing blow they suffered in the city of Buuhoodle. They could not belief what happened, so they have to constantly come up endless tirades and false stories.

[Thuganomics]

Tranny; halkan ka dhageeyso sida la isku galey

http://afbakayle.com/?p=1519

[udun]

^Faggot named Seemera aka Thuganomics, This is your calaacal: kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

http://virus detected/2012/02/01/maleesh ... s-u-galay/


SNM seek Habashi assistance kkkk

http://somaliland24.com/?p=3066

Eydoors have gone all the way to Ethiopian PM Meles Zenawi and demanded his immediate help with respect to Kililka Shanaad and the bloody beating they took in Buuhoodle. Typical Eydoor who when they get into conflict, always seek foreign help Now they complaining have reached all the way Ethiopia. More like they invented a new abtirsiimo where they could claim the Eydoors and Tigreys are brothers KKKKKK