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BlackVelvet wrote:It is never that simple but whatever helps your cause should never be turned away too easily.

We never turned any help down its just no one ever extended a hand thats understandable seeng how everyone is preoccupied with his own affairs. Anyone willing to help we welcome with open hamds. But if you would say I will help but change you name first then by all means stay because we dont want you. We dont want a conditional help neither would people make a sincere help conditional. Cellphones

metamorphosis wrote:I am not gonna be a ceeb and say that name is a bad name but we prefer ogadenya. we can bring the discussion to the table as long as people other than ogaagaden pick up guns and start fighting to free the land. Until then lets hold this discourse in abeyance.

on my european passport info on place of birth it says ogaden not somali galbed or ethiopia but ogaden which is the historic name of the region known to rest of the world

BlackVelvet wrote:It is never that simple but whatever helps your cause should never be turned away too easily.

Call it whatever name you want the bottom line is the conditions will not change nor will it make other somalis more join the struggle.

its mere excuses and very petty in nature.

If the land today was a mountain of gold every one will bring his tools regardless of its name and would be trying to get as much as they could with no ifs or buts. But unfortunatly it now involves sacrificing oneself be it life or money then there is alot of excusess of not joining the struggle.

If our houses today were attached and caught fire and I brought my fire extinguisher and named it my property will your house burn down just because I refused to change the name of my fire extinguisher(showing a communal responsibility)?

The main reason somalia is fucked up today is because when somalia was in bliss all they did was to ridicule the plight of the refugees from the ogaden/western somalia calling them deragatory names like canaboore. Hence since Karma is a bitch you see Somalia testing the same plight and drowning in the high seas and being treated like shit in every country they reside.

So as long as folks would have a narrow mentality then trust me you need to put fasten your seat belt and enjoy the roller coster.

So Somalia is the way it is because some Somalis made fun of other Somalis

I thought the reason Western Somalia/Soomaali Galbeed was avoided by the ONLF was because it implied one country (Somalia) attempting to claim and/or annex a region of another sovereign state. As it currently stands, the ONLF is an indigenous organization dedicated to liberating the region from the Ethiopian central government's illegitimate rule, and not Somalia attempting to infringe upon the territory of another state.

According to the ONLF, "The Ogaden cause is not at the heart of a dispute between the Republic of Somalia and Ethiopia. It is one of the visages of European colonialism in Africa. It is the cause of a nation betrayed by Britain and other colonial powers and annexed by Ethiopia in a manner contrary to the agreements concluded between the Ogaden people and Britain and in conflict with International Law and the charter of the United Nations."

Somali irredentism is, for the moment, dead. This is a far better strategy, a stance with which I wholeheartedly agree with

Let me clarify something here people. The Haud the northern part of Somali region was never called Ogadenia or Ogaden. As late as the 1940's it was known as Reserve Area adminstered by British Somaliland. If you are wondering which Somalis settle in this area, it's settled by the Isaaq, Dir and some Darood clans on the east of it.

greenday wrote:So Somalia is the way it is because some Somalis made fun of other Somalis

try making fun of someone in hardship and lets see how your life will be better down the line.

by the way dont you know the weapons that was used to destroy somalia would have liberated the Ogaden?

Then we would be having a productive debate of what name suits it best. But unfortunately this is not the case.

HaragWafi85 wrote:Let me clarify something here people. The Haud the northern part of Somali region was never called Ogadenia or Ogaden. As late as the 1940's it was known as Reserve Area adminstered by British Somaliland. If you are wondering which Somalis settle in this area, it's settled by the Isaaq, Dir and some Darood clans on the east of it.

whose holding you from liberating the land? are there ogaden snipers in the trees of Haud preventing folks from fighting the xabashi and incoporate it into Somaliland?

being sensitive to the name is just sheer bolox.

The_Patriot we are biding our time. We are not dumb to open different fronts when Somaliland has enemies within the Somali peninsula.

The_Patriot wrote:

greenday wrote:So Somalia is the way it is because some Somalis made fun of other Somalis

try making fun of someone in hardship and lets see how your life will be better down the line.

by the way dont you know the weapons that was used to destroy somalia would have liberated the Ogaden?

Then we would be having a productive debate of what name suits it best. But unfortunately this is not the case.

Life is not this simple is it? because that would mean Ogadenia is itself must have done something in the past and karma came to get it back, would it not? And its not like the rest of Somalis did not try and get it back is it? maybe if the war did not happen things would have been different ma istiri?

Based why would you support ONLF when they are killing innocent reer miyi Marehan? I was so angry when they slaughtered 3 or 4 reer miyi every six months on the outskirts of Galgaduud.

HaragWafi85 wrote:The_Patriot we are taking our time. We are not dumb to open different fronts when Somaliland has enemies within the Somali peninsula.

dude good excuse but when SL got independence in the 1960's who was the real enemy and how come non of your supremacist fought for Haud to incoporate it into greater Isaqia? why the sudden neglect why did the SNM fight the Somalia govt to get better treatment while in the Haud they had no rights of whatsoever given to them by the xabashi? why did SNM decide to launch its operations from its bases in Haud? is it an irony?

Grandpa, the ONLF is a noble organization fighting for the self-determination of the Somalis of the Ogaden region.

Mistakes might be made, but I doubt that their true aim is to terrorize the very people whose rights they are fighting for.

Also, they might not be the monolithic group you imagine. Some Marehans were killed by renegade Darwiish (my grandmother isn't exactly fond of the Sayid ), but that does not stop me from seeing the bigger picture, nor did it stop the Marehans of the time who fought side by side with the Darwiish for the glory of Islam and the freedom of Somalia

No offense but Ogaden are politically retarded, you can't really expect them to use their heads can you?

There are maamuls in Somalia where the main clan has a far larger ratio in the region than Ogaden have in Galbeed yet they don't pick clan names for their administration. Why? Because they are not retarded.

If you give a toddler a dominion to rule over, he's going to give a childish name. Can't expect much in this situation, you're dealing with the same thing.

greenday wrote:

The_Patriot wrote:

greenday wrote:So Somalia is the way it is because some Somalis made fun of other Somalis

try making fun of someone in hardship and lets see how your life will be better down the line.

by the way dont you know the weapons that was used to destroy somalia would have liberated the Ogaden?

Then we would be having a productive debate of what name suits it best. But unfortunately this is not the case.

Life is not this simple is it? because that would mean Ogadenia is itself must have done something in the past and karma came to get it back, would it not? And its not like the rest of Somalis did not try and get it back is it? maybe if the war did not happen things would have been different ma istiri?

You talk as if you are in a better condition.
How can you compare xabashi killing somalis, with somalis displacing each other and turning savages on each other? talk about a curse.
there is adifference btween imtixan iyo ciqaab. The somalia case is Ciqaab you have everything but daragta ba kabatey .