what do you think of Negus melez zanawi

[Eaglehawk]

I dont get it! does this man pay you? you cant like him this much because hes a conquerror and a conquerror of your people?

Being in power since 1991 takes great political skill and it should awe any political analyst and remembering that melez zanawi is the only ethiopian leader who conquered the place he lived namely mogadishu speaks of great historic symbolism

So baeically you are saying we should adore him because he conquerred us? What kind of mentality is this? Give credit where its due and all but your telling us to love our enemy.

why you using words like adore and love in political discussing, just take a minute and reflect upon how us as Somalis became vassals of ethiopia and how did melez zanawi manage to do it

[SahanGalbeed]

I am not a vassal to Ethiopia , regardless of anybody's else status or opinion , nonesense !


Doqonimo , karti la'aan iyo waxaad sheegato markaad waydo , sida Amin Amir kaas oo kale bu Ilaahey kaa dhiga , naanaab walba ayaa ku qaadanaya waxaanad ahayn

[Khalid Ali]

Eagle if you think Melez zanawi loves you're darood subclan against other darood subclans you remind me of that Hawiye warlord in 2007 who went to general gabre and asked him general gabre , gabrow Hawiyaha maxaad daroodka uga jeceshahay. Ethiopia tells you Azania is land grabbing you here are some weapons go and fight against Azania you do so thinking you are securing you're clan objectives the Azania guys do the same they go to Kibaki he than tells them Ogadens are great citizens of Kenya we love them look at the defense Minister here are some weapons go and fight against jubbaland thinking they are securing their clan interests.While the kenyans in the mean time are setting up a buffer zone and bombing Somali Civilians.And so on they have that kind of Foreign policy but you want to have a clan foreign policy with countries this is just caqli Jajaan

[sheekh-Farax-zero]

It depends Ethiopia to collapse along ethnic lines or an Amhaara takes over and leads it from there you have to understand Melez is an Ethiopian Ethiopians will always be the enemy of Somalis Whether they oromo Tigray Amhaara or any other ethnic group.

Adigu sootaa xabshi caabudi jirtay, maxaa isbadaly,

[Eaglehawk]

Eagle if you think Melez zanawi loves you're darood subclan against other darood subclans you remind me of that Hawiye warlord in 2007 who went to general gabre and asked him general gabre , gabrow Hawiyaha maxaad daroodka uga jeceshahay. Ethiopia tells you Azania is land grabbing you here are some weapons go and fight against Azania you do so thinking you are securing you're clan objectives the Azania guys do the same they go to Kibaki he than tells them Ogadens are great citizens of Kenya we love them look at the defense Minister here are some weapons go and fight against jubbaland and they do so and secure their clan interests.While the kenyans in the mean time are setting up a buffer zone.And so on they have that kind of Foreign policy but you want to have a clan foreign policy with countries this is just caqli Jajaan

I don`t believe ethiopia not kenya is enemy of my clan, my clan resides in ethiopia and Kenya it’s just that my clan has priortiesed Somalia politics and neglected to creat a comprehensive strategy that harmonizes our east African intrest but thank god that is changing now, it’s now keep the status quo

[Eaglehawk]

It depends Ethiopia to collapse along ethnic lines or an Amhaara takes over and leads it from there you have to understand Melez is an Ethiopian Ethiopians will always be the enemy of Somalis Whether they oromo Tigray Amhaara or any other ethnic group.

Adigu sootaa xabshi caabudi jirtay, maxaa isbadaly,

xabashi la waday baray

[Adali]

we have different views of Melez Zanawi since we are not a united country any more, some people he out right oppress, whiles others he use for his own purposes.

The way I see it Melez Zanawi was looking out for his own interest, which was to divide Somalis so the former regime collapse, some of these Somalis served him well for that purpose. Today there isn't a powerful Somali regime anywhere on the peninsula, so Melez Zanawi would like to treat them all the same, so the Isaaq are not more powerful than the Majerten and the Marehan are not more powerful than their adversary etc etc etc. Both of his policies we rejected him as Marehan, we fought for the Kacaan and rejected him, after it collapsed we still continued to reject him.

Then these fanatics came in, and for a moment we accepted support from Melez Zanawi to put an end to those fanatics, the same support was given to Majerten and pretty much everyone else. The difference is when we crushed the fanatics we then refused to allow Ethiopia to influence our region in anywhere, this resulted in a bloody war between Melez Zanawi and SNF, we managed to repel him and he left us alone.

for a good while decade or so, we ruled Gedo, Lower Jubba and had check points all over Jubaland, we also had it good in Galgaduud.

Then the Fanatics came again, and once again we are forced to use Ethiopian support just like everyone else is doing. When Fanatics are defeated, I suspect Ethiopia will still be needed to be our friends, specially now that they have mega plans in Kenya, Jubaland should be a big player in all of this.

[Khalid Ali]

Istakhfiruallah anigu Xabashi waxay yihin waan ogahay iga sheekeyn meysid siday u shaqeyaan waan ogahay iyo qaabkay u fakiraan. Mise sheekooyinki Suldaanka ayaad run mooday eeh Xaylse selleise baanu Ehel nahay Xayle ila maanta dhalashadisa wala isku haysta

[Khalid Ali]

Eagle if you think Melez zanawi loves you're darood subclan against other darood subclans you remind me of that Hawiye warlord in 2007 who went to general gabre and asked him general gabre , gabrow Hawiyaha maxaad daroodka uga jeceshahay. Ethiopia tells you Azania is land grabbing you here are some weapons go and fight against Azania you do so thinking you are securing you're clan objectives the Azania guys do the same they go to Kibaki he than tells them Ogadens are great citizens of Kenya we love them look at the defense Minister here are some weapons go and fight against jubbaland and they do so and secure their clan interests.While the kenyans in the mean time are setting up a buffer zone.And so on they have that kind of Foreign policy but you want to have a clan foreign policy with countries this is just caqli Jajaan

I don`t believe ethiopia not kenya is enemy of my clan, my clan resides in ethiopia and Kenya it’s just that my clan has priortiesed Somalia politics and neglected to creat a comprehensive strategy that harmonizes our east African intrest but thank god that is changing now, it’s now keep the status quo

If you think so than keep doing what you are doing than there should not be a problem

[Eaglehawk]

we have different views of Melez Zanawi since we are not a united country any more, some people he out right oppress, whiles others he use for his own purposes.

The way I see it Melez Zanawi was looking out for his own interest, which was to divide Somalis so the former regime collapse, some of these Somalis served him well for that purpose. Today there isn't a powerful Somali regime anywhere on the peninsula, so Melez Zanawi would like to treat them all the same, so the Isaaq are not more powerful than the Majerten and the Marehan are not more powerful than their adversary etc etc etc. Both of his policies we rejected him as Marehan, we fought for the Kacaan and rejected him, after it collapsed we still continued to reject him.

Then these fanatics came in, and for a moment we accepted support from Melez Zanawi to put an end to those fanatics, the same support was given to Majerten and pretty much everyone else. The difference is when we crushed the fanatics we then refused to allow Ethiopia to influence our region in anywhere, this resulted in a bloody war between Melez Zanawi and SNF, we managed to repel him and he left us alone.

for a good while decade or so, we ruled Gedo, Lower Jubba and had check points all over Jubaland, we also had it good in Galgaduud.

Then the Fanatics came again, and once again we are forced to use Ethiopian support just like everyone else is doing. When Fanatics are defeated, I suspect Ethiopia will still be needed to be our friends, specially now that they have mega plans in Kenya, Jubaland should be a big player in all of this.

look how the ethiopian respects marexaan, we released a hawiye and raxanwayn guy from ethiopian prison using our influence while at that time entire marexan clan was fighting for islamic courts in iidaale and now again they are appeasing us and arming us, to me ethiopia as not been enemy of marexaan during civil war its marexaan that was enemy of Ethiopia for some illogical abstract notion like nationalism

[SahanGalbeed]

It switches very quickly with certain people here from a feeling of "being conquered" to straight up "folie des grandeurs" {grandiose delusion}

[Eaglehawk]

It switches very quickly with certain people here from a feeling of "being conquered" to straight up "folie des grandeurs" {grandiose delusion}

stay on the line the man are Discussing politics

[AbdiWahab252]

Eaglehawk,

What makes you different from the other Somalis ? Meles Zenawi is a legacy of the Barre regime who taught him well about the Somali pysche and he used those lessons to conquer them.

In the end, the EThiopia: Christian or Muslim; Amhara, Tigrey, Oromo etc, views himself as Ethiopian and you as Somali, their enemy.

[Eaglehawk]

Eaglehawk,

What makes you different from the other Somalis ? Meles Zenawi is a legacy of the Barre regime who taught him well about the Somali pysche and he used those lessons to conquer them.

In the end, the EThiopia: Christian or Muslim; Amhara, Tigrey, Oromo etc, views himself as Ethiopian and you as Somali, their enemy.

The mahdi who was the great emancipator of hawiye masses from the clutches socialism of free health care and free education was he wrong in getting Ethiopian assistance?
Abdiwahab ethiopian identity only exciste in the mind of amharas who benifited from ethiopian state.
The notion of Ethiopians is alien to most Ethiopians it’s just people like you that great a unified ethiopian identity vs Somali identity

[Khalid Ali]

Tigrayans believe they are the founders of Ancient Ethiopian civilization Abdiwahaab is right they will always consider you a Somali even if you suck up to them Ask the Ogadens they will tell you all about them. The Highlanders are the leaders of Ethiopia they have never forgotten what Imam Ahmed Ibrahim Al ghazi did to them. True both Melez and Isiayas afarwerki were created by Afweyne now they are fighting a proxy war in Somalia