Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?

[Jaidi]

I thought this was common knowledge.

[Lamagoodle]

He was a sufi of the Sheikh Mohamed Salah order.Back then there was only Sufi orders which all developed from Abdul Qadir Jilani tariqa(Qadiria) in that part of Africa

Edit, you are right

[waryaa]

tnx AS

[AgentOfChaos]

He was a sufi of the Sheikh Mohamed Salah order.Back then there was only Sufi orders which all developed from Abdul Qadir Jilani tariqa(Qadiria) in that part of Africa

[Thuganomics]

He was a sufi of the Sheikh Mohamed Salah order.Back then there was only Sufi orders which all developed from Abdul Qadir Jilani tariqa(Qadiria) in that part of Africa

Edit, you are right

There is a story about the time when his Dervishes killed shaykh Uways al Qaidri, one of the greatest awliya in Somalia; when he was told what happened he said “we have been defeated the day we killed shaykh Uways. let everyone who can find a refuge escape to his refuge”. That is when the airstrikes where launched against him.

I don't know if it's true,but if it is,it shows he never ordered the killing of Sheikh Aweys Baraawe AUN

[Talo alle udaa]

Societies evaluate people based on the principles that defined that individual. the Sayyid, albeit being a suufi, fought the colonialist eventhough he could have easily open up shop like his Qaadiriya cousins and so he is a celebrated hero for what he has done.

As for the Qaadiriya, they worked with the Italians in the south, and it was reported that the Sayyid ordered the killing of the Sh. Aweys saying "wecelku maalinku dhintuu roobku no da'ay"

[Arabmann]

Was the sayyid a qabuuri? I can't find information about this. His qadiri counter parts were certainly were grave worshippers.

According to the established Qaadiri order, he must have been seen as a wahabi


With his fight against britain, the sayyid managed to combine a religious and wadani fervour into one direction.

There was no "wadan" at that time as there was no such thing as "Somalia". There was no state.

The Sayyid's jihad against the occupation bares a striking resemblance to what is happening in Somalia today.. Interestingly enough, most Northern tribes in Somalia hate him to this day for his "extremism". Some say that he was just a power-hungry thug, hiding behind Islam to serve his own interests. They love to highlight some atrocities that were supposedly committed by the Dervishes against Somali civilians, some of whom were accused of collaborating with the infidels. The truth is that he was despised by many, maybe even most, tribes in Northern Somalia for being such a "troublemaker".

I look favourly upon previous Somali islamist groups/collectives such as itixaad, and the recent maxaakin. They found the right balance in my estimation. You don't have to be an Arab Muslim. Being a Somali Muslim is also acceptable. I think certain elements of Shabaab have conflated Arabic dhaqan as being superior to their own culture.

Sayyid was the wahabi of the time. Of course he wasn't going to get support. I certainly don't think the Sayyid believed in killing non combatants..

An interesting topic that mirrors the views of some Snetters:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/ ... lah-47490/

[Lamagoodle]

Societies evaluate people based on the principles that defined that individual. the Sayyid, albeit being a suufi, fought the colonialist eventhough he could have easily open up shop like his Qaadiriya cousins and so he is a celebrated hero for what he has done.

As for the Qaadiriya, they worked with the Italians in the south, and it was reported that the Sayyid ordered the killing of the Sh. Aweys saying "wecelku maalinku dhintuu roobku no da'ay"

Sufism is a great philosphy. It is a brotherhood and its contribution to the spread of islam is well documented. Sayid Mohamed was not only a religious leader but also a poet, a freedom fighter.


I think you are utterly wrong in claiming that the Qadiriya order worked for the Italians. Sh Xasan Barsame, Nasiib Buunde and the others who fought for freedom in the south belonged to the qaadiriya order.

See the conflict between sheikh aweys and the sayid not as a politcal conflict but as a conflict of influence. The Saalixiya wanted to establish themselves in the south and that was the source of the conflict.

In addition it was a conflict of nomads vs peasants.

[Jaidi]

Being a Sufi doesn't equate to you being pacifist that's a misreading that has no historical basis.

The Fulani sheikh who spread Islam across a lot of Northern Nigeria was part of the Qadriyah order there. He led jihads against the local authorities in the region at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usman_dan_Fodio

[Thuganomics]

Being a Sufi doesn't equate to you being pacifist that's a misreading that has no historical basis.

The Fulani sheikh who spread Islam across a lot of Northern Nigeria was part of the Qadriyah order there. He led jihads against the local authorities in the region at the time.

Not only Osman bin Fodio in Nigeria but Umar Muktar of Sanusi tariqa in Libya The Mahdi in Sudan and other sanusi movements in Morroco and other parts of North Africa etc etc

[Arabmann]

Being a Sufi doesn't equate to you being pacifist that's a misreading that has no historical basis.

Back then, the Brits and other Westerners didn't know much about Islam and Muslims. Hence, why there didn't exist modernly employed terms such as khawaarij, Wahhabi, terrorist, etc in their literature (including media). You're mistaken; Sufi equates to being pacifist. Proof is Google Image; I couldn't find a single image associating Sufi with violence, resistance, arms (even knife), etc.

[Lamagoodle]

Imaam Sheekh Xasan Sheekh Nuur Sheekh Axmed
“ Sheekh Xasan Barsane “ ( 1853 – 1927 )

Sheekh Xasn Sheekh Nuur Sheekh Axmed oo lo yiqiin Sheekh Xasan Barsane wuxuu dhashay sanadka markuu ahaa 1853, wuxuuna ku dhashay tuulada loo yaqaan Ubaadi oo u jirta qiyaas ilaa 68Km magaalada Jowhar, Gobolka Shabeelaha Dhexe, Soomaaliya.

Hooyadiis waxaa la dhihi jiray Xalima Hilowle Sheekh Xasan wuxuu ka soo jeeday qoys Somaali ah una saxiib ah Diinta Islaamka iyo fardooleey. Aabihii Sheekh Nuur wuxuu ahaa sheekh ka tirsan dariiqooyinka Raxmaaniya. Wuxuu ka dhex muuqday hoggamiyana u ahaa jameecadiisa.

Sheekh Xasna Sheekh Nuur Sheekh Axmed wuxuu bartay Qur’aan Kariimka isagoo ya, kuna bartay tuulada Unaadi wuxuuna barashada Diinta Islaamka ku bilaabay isagoo aan weli gaarin 10 jir halkaas oo la shegay in aabihiiis uu mashaa’ikhda Diinta bartaa ugu keenay. Markuu laabtan jirsaday ayeey isaga iyo aabihiis isku raaceen inuu sii kordhisto wax barashadiisa uu doonto iyadoo ay jirtay in aabihii uu mashaa’iikh fara badan ugu keenay halkii ay ku noolaayeen.

Shiikhii wuxuu aaday meel walbo oo uu ku tabaayay in cilmi uu yaalo oo uu ka sii kororsas karo meelaha uu cimliga u dontay dalka gudihiisa waxaa ka mid ahaa Mateey Aw Xasan oo ku taala Afgooye iyo Muqdisho. Sheekhu kama uusan zuulin inuu raadiyo cilmi isagoo markaana day dalka dibadiisa sida magalada Marka uu tagay laba jeer oo kala duwan wuxuuna halkaas ku soo gutay xajkii iyo cilmi uu raadinayay, wuxuu halkaas ku maqnaa muddo ka bdan saddex sanadood.

Sheekhu waxa uu halkasi kula soo kulmay Sheekh Maxamed Saalax oo sheekha ay dariiqada SAALIXIYADA ka soo jeedo ah.

Sheekh Xasan Barsane markii uu ku soo laabty dalka waxaa dalka soo buux dhaafiyay gumeyste kala duwan oo markaas iyo ka horba ku sugnaa dalka tan iyo intii ay dhacday qeybsashadii Afrika ( 1884 ) dalalka reer galbeedak oo ay ugu horeeyeen Ingiriiska, Faransiikam Talyaaniga iyo Boruqiiska aya soo galay dalkeena hooyo ee Somaaliya. Sheekhu wuxuu ka biyo diiday inuyu ku hoos nooaado gumeyste isagoo ka doo biday inuu geeriyoodo isagoo dhawraya sharafta Diinta iyo dalka. Sheekhu wuxuu dhexgalay dadka isagoo jamciyay ciidan firadiisa lagu qiyaasay ilaa laabtan kun ilaa soddon kun ( 20,000 – 30.000). tababar dheer iyo wacyi gelin ka dib sheekha iyo ciidamadisii u kacay difaaca dalka iyo Diinta.

Waxaa ay la kulmeen hanjbaad iyo hujuum kaga imaanayay dhanka gumeystaha Talyaaniga oo iyagu markaas heestay dhamman koofurta Soomaaliya iyo Etiopia oo aheyd dalka kali ah ee Afrika kana qeyb galay qeybsashada dalalka Afirca ee Berlin 1884.

Sheekhu dhag jalaq uma siin dhamaan hanjabaadaas iyo baqdin galin taas kaga imaameysay dhanka Gumeystaha gumeystaha Talyaaniga xiligaasi waxaa Soomaaliya wakiil uga ahaa Jeneral la oran jiray Mario Devechio.
Si kastaba ha ahaatee Sheekha wuxuu go’aansaday inuu la dagaalamo.

Waqtigii ayaa dhamaaday waxaa bilowday dagaaladii fool ka foolka ahaa ee Sheekhu la galay gumeysihii. Sheeikha iyo gumeystaha waxay kulmeen marar badan iyagoo dhamaan dagaaladii uu la galay gumeystaha uu halkaasi kaga guuleystay. Waxaana dagaaladii u Sheekha la galay gumeystaha ka xusi karnaa :

· Gumar Sheel ( 1905 ) waxa uu ahaa dagaalkii ugu horeeyay ee uu la galay Amxaardii oo markaas isku dayaysay inay la wareegto dhamaan dhulka Soomaaliyeed iyadoo markaas timid Taytayle
( Balcad ). Waxaa jiray dagaalo kale uu Sheekha la galay Ethiopia ilaa markii danbe ay dalka ka baxaan

Waxaa kaloo ka mid ahaa dagaaladii uu la galay gumeystaha gaar ahan Talyaaniga oo aan ka xusi karno :

1. Dagaalkii Buulo Barde oo dhacay 1922
2. Ceel Dheere 1922 iyo 1923
3. Hilweyne 1923
4. Jiliyaale 1924
5. Hareeriile 1924

Sheekh Xasan Barsane wuxu ku caan baxay inuu ciidanka ka bar bar dagaalamo isago dhiiri galin jiray una sheegi jiray wax yaalaha hadii ay ku dhintaan iyo hadii ay ka bad baadaanba haleyaan waxaan u wadaa Aakhiro iyo Aduun. Dagaaladii faraha badanaa ee uu la galay Sheekha wuxuu ku laayay rag faro badan oo ka tirsanaa gumeystaha oo isugu jiray saraakiil iyo dablay .

Gumeystaha oo ka faa’ideystay maqnaashaha ciidamada Sheekha oo markaas ku maqnaa dagaalo dhinaca Hiiraan ayaa dhabar jabin ka dib waxa ay hareereeyeen xaruntii Sheekha iyagoo adeegsanaaya hubka xiligaa ugu casrisnaa lana yimid ciidan fara baan oo ay ka oo wadeen dhankaas iyo cadan iyo weliba kuwa kale oo ay ka soo ka xeeyeen dalalka kale oo ay gymeysan jireen kuwaas oo ahaa calooshood u shaqeystayaal sida ku cad buugii uu qoray Mario Devechio oo lagu magacaabo ORIZENTO DI IMPERO. Ka bid Sheekha waxaa uu u gacan galay cadowga, waxayna ka dalbadeen inuu ciidamadiisa ku amro inay is dhiibaan, waa uu ka biyo diiday. Si kastaba ha ahaatee gumeystaha ayaa aakhiritankii ku guuleystay inay qabtaan oo ay xabsiga dhigaan Sheikh Xasan Barsane sanadu markay ahayd 1924.

Waxaa Sheekha lagu xabisay xabsiga loo yaqaaney Gaalshiro iyadoo markaasi maxkamada gumeysiga ay ku xukuntay 30 sano oo xarig ah oo ay u dheertahay shaqo adag iyo jirdil. Si kastaba ah ahaatee hadana gumeystaha ayaa ku qanci waayay inay xabisaan oo kaliya waayo Sheekh Xasan Barsane ayaa ahaa caqabadii ugu weyneyd ee ay gumeystaha Talyaaniga kala kulmeyn koonfurta Soomaaliya iyadoo aanba dhihi karno sheekha wuxuu ahaa quwada kali ah ee dagaalo waaweyn kaga hortimid marka laga reebo Biyamaal oo iyagana kula dagaalamay dhanka shabeelaha hoose. Talyaaniga ayaa 3 sano ka dib waxay hadana isku dayeen inay dilaan Sheekha iyagoo ay u suuro gashay sanada Markey ahayd 1927 iyado markaasi ay gumeystuhu ku xireen meel god ah oo aan ku filneyn inuu fariisto godkaas ayaa wuxuu lahaa oo kali ah meel yar oo shabaq camal ah oo uu xoogaa wax u neef ah ka qaadan jiray. Intaas oo kali ah ugumaysan simin hadana waxay ugu dareen inay sun ku buufiyaan qolkii uu ku xirnaa waxaana amarkaasi bixiyay KABEELLO sida uu xusay MAXAMED ABDI (Odoyaasha Muqdisho ) oo ka mid ahaa sadexdii Nin ee loo adegsaday inay fuliyaan falkaasi. Ugu danbeyntii Sheekha ayaa ku geeriyooday suntii. Sida ku xusan Orizento Impero iyo TREE ANNI DE IN SOMALIA .Sheekhu wuxuu dhintay taarikhdu mrkey ahayd 13. January 1927. waxaana lagu duugay Qabuuraha Sheekh Suufi oo ku yaalay agagaarka madaxtooyada Soomaaliya waxaana markii danbe loo qaaday oo uu hada ku aasan yahay degmada JILIYAALE oo markii hore Sheekha xarun u ahayd

[Arabmann]

Lamgoodle, the Sheekh Xasan Barsane school was located near Shabelle?

[Lamagoodle]

Lamgoodle, the Sheekh Xasan Barsane school was located near Shabelle?

Yes, it was saaxib.

The problem with the south is that its history was not properly recorded. This has given potency to a conventional wisdom among the geeljire that they was no resistance. People in the south fought Italian invaders; Nasiib Buunde is another person who is worth remembering. Mohamed Haaji Mukhtar, Enow and other scholars have recently made an attempt to write books, papers etc on the role of religious leaders in the resistance.

[sahal80]

al salihiya is an offshoot of al qadiriya, the founder of al salihiya was a tunni digil shaykh called mohamed salah from barawe mac-had to attain martabah over shaykh awees al baraawi, his tunni shaykh who was the leader of al qadiriyah. at the haj, in makka, he met sayid mohamed who adopted it but he didnt came from mac-had diin so he start killing and when the shaykh salah heard about his actions he disassociated himself with him. moreover al qadiri shaykh abdallah al qudubi the author of al majmuu3a al mubaraka has called sayidkas sufi sect a heretic.