TFG Constitution Minister disapprove Istanbul Pre-Conference

[Southie4life]

People Opt out because there is nothing you can come back with. Farole rejected the conference but the most influencial elders from Puntland still attended.

No one and I mean NO ONE cares more about Puntland than the Elders. They are incorruptible and only care to maintain the peace.

Enough said.

[maybe]

People Opt out because there is nothing you can come back with. Farole rejected the conference but the most influencial elders from Puntland still attended.

No one and I mean NO ONE cares more about Puntland than the Elders. They are incorruptible and only care to maintain the peace.

Enough said.

Farole rejected the conference because he loves Addis Ababa. why is he rejecting the conference when all the clan elders attended it? why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[D-Runner]

Southie4life,

So we should void

Mogadishu Consultative Conference, Mogadishu Civil Society Meeting, the Garowe 1 and 2 Agreements, the Galkayo Agreement and the Addis Ababa Communiqué.

...All the gains so far made moving the transition forward and start anew because the usual spoilers insist, the likes of the former Islamic Courts Union members, Aala-Sheikh group, anti Puntland elements, anti federalism groups, and normal people who have not even had a secondary school degrees. Those who have manage to hijack the Istanbul conference.

You lost your mind kid... if it'll help you can go ahead and join them in Istanbul if you like, all you need is a plane ticket and your there just like the rest of them. Puntland will have no part in this... ever!

[Southie4life]

Southie4life,

So we should void

Mogadishu Consultative Conference, Mogadishu Civil Society Meeting, the Garowe 1 and 2 Agreements, the Galkayo Agreement and the Addis Ababa Communiqué.

...All the gains so far made moving the transition forward and start anew because the usual spoilers insist, the likes of the former Islamic Courts Union members, Aala-Sheikh group, anti Puntland elements, anti federalism groups, and normal people who have not even had a secondary school degrees. Those who have manage to hijack the Istanbul conference.

You lost your mind kid... if it'll help you can go ahead and join them in Istanbul if you like, all you need is a plane ticket and your there just like the rest of them. Puntland will have no part in this... ever!

Turkey is doing what many countries all over the world have done. History has shown that civil wars and other oppression that saw some countries commit unimaginable war crimes against their own fellow country men - Rwanda, South Africa, Liberia to name a few. All these countries sat down with their enemies, they had their truth and reconciliation meetings. The only way we will have peace is through meetings like this. The fact that the groups you named are attending is great news!

Are you just playing or are you serious? Puntland will have no part in this? Did you see the pictures? Puntland is taking part in this. Our most influential elders are there right now. They know Farole rejected the conference but have still attended nonetheless.

I think we can agree on this much; Puntlanders are divided on this issue.

[D-Runner]

^So in moving Somalia forward we should discard all the gains so far made, namely Garowe I and II by agreeing to the anti Puntland elements and anti federalism groups terms basically tipping the balance of power in their favor leaving Puntland weak and vulnerable... sure kid, Turkey is doing a great job.

[Southie4life]

^So in moving Somalia forward we should discard all the gains so fair made, namely Garowe I and II by agreeing to the anti Puntland elements and anti federalism groups terms basically tipping the balance of power in their favor while Puntland is divided... sure kid, Turkey is doing a great job.

I may disagree with you opinion, however, like everyone else's, I respect it.

I am thrilled that Islaan Bashir and Boqor Burhan and the other elders do not feel the way that you do.

[D-Runner]

^Glad to know your thrilled about seeing stable regions like Puntland brought to its knees and its enemies and anti federalism groups empowered. You do really see this being in the interest of Somalia, right?

[Southie4life]

^Glad to know your thrilled about seeing stable regions like Puntland brought to its knees and its enemies and anti federalism groups empowered. You do really see this being in the interest of Somalia, right?

There is no point in going back and forth. You are on the side of Farole and I am on the side of Islaan Bashir and Boqor Burhan. There are elements in Puntland who support the conference and some of them are in Turkey right now.

I am among them and if you accuse me of this than you are accusing these elders as well.

[D-Runner]

^I thought you were convince that Faroole was a Ethiopian agent, unless the two elders have admitted to this too I fail to see how they could be on your side. Now you making wild claims. I hope your not trying to waste my time like those who have manage to hijack the Roadmap process in Istanbul... because here I will sit and not respond till you can back your claims. Don't take too long either kid.

[FBISOMALIA]

^I thought you were convince that Faroole was a Ethiopian agent, unless the two elders have admitted to this too I fail to see how they could be on your side. Now you making wild claims. I hope your not trying to waste my time like those who have manage to hijack the Roadmap process in Istanbul... because here I will sit and not respond till you can back your claims. Don't take too long either kid.

long time ago he said that PL will be in civil war and never happen later , if i were you dont give face to this idiot he just taking your time

[D-Runner]

^FBI thanks for the tip sxb... as you saw hateful people will try to smear even our most respected elders to sow the seed of division among reer Puntland.

[FBISOMALIA]

^FBI thanks for the tip sxb... as you saw hateful people will try to smear even our most respected elders to sow the seed of division among reer Puntland.

thats why PL is like this today and those PPL still in there ice age

[Southie4life]

^FBI thanks for the tip sxb... as you saw hateful people will try to smear even our most respected elders to sow the seed of division among reer Puntland.

You can actually understand him when he writes? That's good because now you can my translator. Basically, I will send you what he writes and you just make it coherent.

I never said Farole is an Ethiopian agent, I said that he cut a trip to India short and went to Addis. Soon after arriving there he came out with this communiqué. I believe he was bribed by Ethiopia not to attend. He is a man that will do anything to fatten his pockets. I don't think he wants to harm Puntland or promote an Ethiopian agenda, all he wants is to make money. Can you believe a real leader being summoned to another country and making decisions like this?

You seem to avoid the question, if the Istanbul conference is bad than why did the two most influential elders from state still attend? If you don't know the answer I will tell you - the elders will not be bought by Ethiopia and they are fully aware that Ethiopia does not want Somalis from all over to sit down and talk. They capitalize on our divisions. Turkey on the other hand wants ALL factions to meet because that’s they only way you can make peace with one another.

I am on Islaan Bashir and Boqor Burhan’s side.

Long live Puntland.

[Niya]

^ Why do you make Ethiopia the boogeyman. Ethiopia is a powerful neighbor and Puntland is astute in cultivating what is in its best interests at this time. Aun, people used to demonize Abdullahi Yusuf for engaging the Ethiopians yet, you see today each and every Somali politician clamoring and engaging with the Ethiopians. Ethiopia is powerful and has the West on its side. So, the choice is clear: play the game and have a say or be a marginalized spectator.

You don't give a hoot about Puntland. You simple have an axe to grind and see Farole as your enemy. Try to see the big picture, Puntland is bigger that an indvidual or a clan entity.

[Southie4life]

^ Why do you make Ethiopia the boogeyman. Ethiopia is a powerful neighbor and Puntland is astute in cultivating what is in its best interests at this time. Aun, people used to demonize Abdullahi Yusuf for engaging the Ethiopians yet, you see today each and every Somali politician clamoring and engaging with the Ethiopians. Ethiopia is powerful and has the West on its side. So, the choice is clear: play the game and have a say or be a marginalized spectator.

You don't give a hoot about Puntland. You simple have an axe to grind and see Farole as your enemy. Try to see the big picture, Puntland is bigger that an indvidual or a clan entity.

Ethiopia is not powerful; any country that requires humanitarian assistance is not powerful. The majority of our imports come from the Middle East, very little comes from Ethiopia. With that being said, we must have excellent relations with all our neighbors, but ONLY if those relations are balanced. We need Ethiopia for many things, but Turkey is a far richer country that doesn't require humanitarian aid. The benefits of having an ally like Turkey are just as important as Ethiopia.

Don't you dare put Abdullahi Yusuf's (AUN) name and farole in the same post. In fact, farole shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Abdullahi Yusuf.

Abdullahi Yusuf would have never passed up the oppurunity to have strong relations with Turkey. He travelled throughout the world meeting heads of state. The man had principle and even went to prison when he didn't agree with Ethiopia. Also, when he needed Ethiopia, he would tap into whatever help he could acquire. But the most important part about Abdullahi Yusuf is that he sat with all his enemies to work out peace between them. Here we have Farole saying, “I can’t go because certain people will be there”.

Farole has no leadership experience and is clueless when it comes to diplomatic relations.