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Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:20 pm
by ZubeirAwal
grandpakhalif wrote:AbuukarSubeer wrote:grandpakhalif wrote:What makes you say that? I would rather have a country like the KSA (although not an ideal islamic entity) than a chaotic syria/somalia. Some semblance of order is needed, plus the Mahdi will arrive soon inshallah and there shall no longer be any alliance with the kuffar as KSA currently and has wrongly done. But how can you blame them? KSA is a nation state just liek any other muslim country in the world and has many nations who can threaten it, she is unable to defend herself and became part of Pax-americana, a vessel for the kuffar.
it is quite unfortanate but this is due more to weakness than anything else.
Brother that Jadiidi state of Saudi Arabia has done more harm to the Muslim Ummah then any other authority that ruled over the Al-Haramain. The prophet stressed the fact that the Haramain are cities for all-muslims to dwell in, live in as much as they want, Allah says in the qur'an a believer will find a sense of security in the Xaram, but now you must pay a 1 month visa, and when that visa's finished your out of the country!
KSA is a CANCER in the Ummah, the prophet never showed this attitude of Wealthiness, and Kingship as the way the Saudi's are doing. It's disgusting and i cannot wait till it stops.
GPK you must now realise that its high time to denounce this type of kingdom that is un-islamic and highly hypocritical. After all the British Empire gave birth to Saudi Arabia as it was put into power by Laurence of Arabia who was also homosexual, bribing Abdul Aziz bin Saud £5,000 stirling pounds in return for him to turn against Allah, and he did it, and today Saudi Arabia is not controlled by the Kingdom, it's controlled by those who created the Kingdom in the first place.
This is how i see why the prophet said he had a dream where he saw the Dajjal making tawaf around the ka'ba, that is that Dajjal today controls Saudi Arabia which controls the Ka'ba.
of course there needs to be visa do you think if there was no visa the whole muslim ummah 1.5 billion people will run to medina, what muslim doesn't want to live in medina or mecca, the KSA government cannot support that many people. Be realistic for once.
Let them visit Al-Madina and Makkah for it is there cities, and if they wish to settle let them, Allah supports them its Allah's land its the Haramain it does not belong to the hands of these filthy kuffar-licking najdis!
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:21 pm
by gurey25
abubaker you obcession with the mahdi is a deviation and this places you on the same level as the other deviant sects.
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:25 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
grandpakhalif wrote:God never said that women should lead Salat, it is 100% against god's will because the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) never let the best women his wife AISHA (RA) lead prayer even one time in the whole history of islam.
also the prophet said whoever creates an innovation and misleads people he is going to hellfire...
God never said either Women can not lead salaat!! The Quran does not address this issue of MAN leading salaat or women leading salaat... there are hadiith which allowed Women leading mixed man and women salaat.. and there are mad-habs scholars who are against women leading salaat... and some mad.hab scholars who allow women leading taraawiix salaat in home...
so this issue about women leading mixed salaat its like any other issues in islam... some parts is okay other parts is not.. and God allah did not talked about on his quran about this issue, so do not lie about what god said or not...
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:27 pm
by ZubeirAwal
gurey25 wrote:abubaker you obcession with the mahdi is a deviation and this places you on the same level as the other deviant sects.
Deviated sects such as the Shia'? The Imam at the time he proclaims himself in Makkah will unite the Ummah and defeat the odds.
Why make wild assumptions? Do you not agree that the Mahdi is the last of the Khulifa Ar'Rashidun, and that he is one of the 7 leaders of Jannah , Do you not agree that he resembles the prophet more then anyone in character and behaviour, and that he will lead the muslims to damascus where the son of mary will take control and lead the ummah?
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:29 pm
by grandpakhalif
DR-YALAXOOW wrote:grandpakhalif wrote:God never said that women should lead Salat, it is 100% against god's will because the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) never let the best women his wife AISHA (RA) lead prayer even one time in the whole history of islam.
also the prophet said whoever creates an innovation and misleads people he is going to hellfire...
God never said either Women can not lead salaat!! The Quran does not address this issue of MAN leading salaat or women leading salaat... there are hadiith which allowed Women leading mixed man and women salaat.. and there are mad-habs scholars who are against women leading salaat... and some mad.hab scholars who allow women leading taraawiix salaat in home...
so this issue about women leading mixed salaat its like any other issues in islam... some parts is okay other parts is not.. and God allah did not talked about on his quran about this issue, so do not lie about what god said or not...
Bring me that hadith of women leading a mixed prayer... please I wanna see this so called hadith!
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:38 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
The hadith of Umm Waraqa bint Abdallah, an Ansari woman, who knew the entire Quran (jama'at al-Qur'an), was instructed by Muhammad to lead ahl dariha, which consisted of both men and women,
Women can lead salah whit mixed nin and naag
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:52 pm
by Jaamac1975
Abuzubeer,
I don't think there is a "mahdi" in Suni tardition. Make sure you know what you talking about before you wear your suicude vest. As far as the followers of Ibnu Taymiya and their racist extermist idealogy , progressive Islam is envidable , with in 50 years women leading prayers and secluarism will pervail. Just like the medival mentality of Christiandom died so will "salafism" and "wahaabism" an of-shot of Ibnu Taymia , the man who once said "pretty boys should wear Hijaab less they seduc us".
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:57 pm
by ZubeirAwal
Jamaac , why are you mentioning suicide vests?
And it is mentioned in the Sunni hadiths that there is a Imam prophesiesed by the prophet himself who will succeed in leading the Ummah prior to the return of Isa (as).
Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my family and just before the day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression.
(Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Vol. 1, P. 99)
The promised Mahdi will be among my progeny, among the descendants of Fatima.
(Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 207; Ibn Majah, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 519)
there are tons of more of them, this shows that you didn't even make an effort to search but to just critizise and point fingers. Ignorant thinking.
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:01 pm
by Basra-
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:04 pm
by grandpakhalif
Jaamac1975 wrote:Abuzubeer,
I don't think there is a "mahdi" in Suni tardition. Make sure you know what you talking about before you wear your suicude vest. As far as the followers of Ibnu Taymiya and their racist extermist idealogy , progressive Islam is envidable , with in 50 years women leading prayers and secluarism will pervail. Just like the medival mentality of Christiandom died so will "salafism" and "wahaabism" an of-shot of Ibnu Taymia , the man who once said "pretty boys should wear Hijaab less they seduc us".
You are sick man you want women and men to mix in masjids.
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:08 pm
by Executive
DR-YALAXOOW wrote:The hadith of Umm Waraqa bint Abdallah, an Ansari woman, who knew the entire Quran (jama'at al-Qur'an), was instructed by Muhammad to lead ahl dariha, which consisted of both men and women,
Women can lead salah whit mixed nin and naag
It refers to the people of her household, and it not general.
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:13 pm
by Jaamac1975
Khalaf
They do right in Mecca during Xaj and Cimra , and thats the biggest masaajid on earth, why not in the rest?
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:15 pm
by Executive
I have never heard women leading prayers in Mecca
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:18 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
Executive wrote:
It refers to the people of her household, and it not general.
It's your interpretation! THE hadith says women can lead salaat. and some mad.habs say women can lead taaraawiix salaat.. so those racist against women existance they make their own fake interpretation and say its only in household..
thats wrong man... first you salafism claime you can not mixed in one place women and men praying together, and the answer of that is just visit the biggest masjid in the world masjid Hram in makah. everyday man and women pray mixed togather inside the masjid...
marka women can lead salaat and salafism should stop wearing those suicide vest
Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:20 pm
by Jaamac1975
Abubakar,
There are half million Hadith, 99% of them from a dubious origin the oldest been writen at least some 250 years after its alleged occurence. One should be very carefull on these sayings , the Shia have complet set of Hadith then the Suni, Suni themselfs have few collections, who should be trusted , nobody knows for sure, one man once claimed he authored 30k Hadith and faked it.
There is no authentic "mahdi" tardition in Suni Islam , its was a Shiyaca innovation borrowed from the Jews and their coming Messiah, even the "dajaal" is nothing more then the Anti-christ of the Christians.
The ONLY people going to HELL are the killers of the innocent americans and the protesters who protest in the name of ALLAH swt, while they deceivingly to themselves and to the world that they truly are outrage in the name of their maker. Such hypocrisy is a proof that we are weak feeble humanbeings. Our selfish desires come first before anything, sadly before Allaah swt too. The arabs and muslims protests have been NOTHING short of a syndrome called "America Envy"! They are frustrated as to WHY they are not successful, democratically i mean. Not after the 'arab sprung' protests that removed three dictators only to plant more, even lethal dictators. The arabs are outraged at their failure. This is all a gathering to 'feel good' and 'bond' just like the walls street protests here in America. Nothing short of envy, laziness, hyprocrisy and mamas boys wanting a pie out of something they never earned. 
