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Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:03 pm
by ElfRuler
Ninyahoow it's easy to insult. So if you're going to convince me your point I suggest you do so without the insults. If not then, don't bother responding to me at all.

sahal80 wrote:no. This is your stupid
No. This is your immature conclusion and you have no idea of mans civilazation. To nullify your childish math, I will give you two examples: There is a village where one woman sells her body, each night she meets 7 men. Here, we have within 4 nights 1 woman vs 28 men!!.
First of all, a woman does not have to be a "prostitute" to be unchaste. Prostitution is the oldest job in the world, which proves exactly what you are trying to argue against: The Sexual Freedom of women and the notion that women are "less lustful than men".

If we are to assume that one woman is able to sleep with 7 men in "a whole day", then can we not assume that each of those men will sleep with multiple women or prostitutes during that day (at least 3)? We know that men (Soldiers, Businessmen, Truck drivers- main culprits) who use prostitutes do not usually go to the same one every time and women especially in the old days (And some current ones -issues of legality) avoided to incur any suspicion from their neighbors, and as a result they would either wonder around or live in a area where there are "multiple prostitutes". There are more women then men, and it's obvious that prostitutes commit fornication, but there are women who are not prostitutes that also fornicate, and are not accounted for in your equation.

The other example is related to the civilazations and its locations. In the 17 century, both the west and the rest were similar and adultery was not permitted even in the west for any gender before their sexual revolution. The westren women had gained her sexual freedom during the 60s after a century of the westren men having their free sexual lives.

Lack of social acceptability of an action/behavior doesn't translate to people never acting upon that behavior. There are many things which are still not acceptable and adultery is one of them. Nevertheless, that never stopped people from doing what they want. The supposed sexual revolution you're stating has done nothing but normalized an action that was merely kept in the closet by many people (mainly women).
Now let us say the muslim men of the west are not in need sexually for the muslim women in the west. Here, we have the westren women vs the westren men plus the third world men!!! Are there any equality in numbers? This again nullifies your "math".

You're under the impression that Muslim women in the West are not undertaking the same actions as their male counterparts. Why?

Its a fact that men are natural promiscuous to the point that the feminism claim apologetically of women being superior morally than men but this has nothing to do with their morals, it has to do with the religions, traditions, patriarchism and honour.

Adultery, unlike murder and thief, requires two individuals to commit the act for it to be a crime.

Religion never advocated for adultery/fornication. In Islam a man who commits adultery/fornication is as guilty as the woman. Christianity which has the largest followers of any religion actually advocates for monogamy and "Till death do us apart".

Traditions differs depending on the social group's religious and legislative background.

Patriarchy, the extreme type favors machoism and womanization.

And Honor depends once again on the religiosity and social construction of the respected group. Arabs and people from the sub-continent have the worst sense of honor.

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:06 pm
by ElfRuler
AgentOfChaos wrote:ElfRuler: You lost so give it up already, sahal80 beat you through experience. :pac:




Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

LOL! I've to sucker punch him at least.

I remember reading one of my class assignment about prostitution/HIV in Africa. Sahal is bloodily right on one matter, prostitutes usually work only four days. How he knows, is a mystery to me. :?

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:26 pm
by sahal80
AgentOfChaos wrote:^WTF?! :pac:
that he thinks thynthetically (tarkibi) no matter how many people....

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:44 pm
by grandpakhalif
sahal actually made some good valid points

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:56 pm
by sahal80
grandpakhalif wrote:sahal actually made some good valid points
:up: :up:

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:57 pm
by SelfD
Ladyyonelove wrote:This here comes about from life experiences, the thing is now don't get me wrong BUT when it comes to finding a suitable mate most of the man search for a woman whose clean pious and goody good although they have their flaws and past. Then when they find a girl they like who fits their description automatically expecting her answer to be yes, but let me just say this... Just as some of you man want a woman who is pious clean and the whole 9 yards some woman ahem ahem want the same in the spouse they are looking for. It's just ridiculous to talk to a guy who has done it all and expect to make you his wife... No that's not the way it works and ladies know your worth .. thats all for today :up:
Back to the topic at hand..I agree with u and the deen also reconfirms this.
It says "fornicators are for fornicators"...so don't worry sis. We will have our equals insha'Allah.

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:59 pm
by Barwaaqoiyobashbash
SelfDiscovery wrote:
Ladyyonelove wrote:This here comes about from life experiences, the thing is now don't get me wrong BUT when it comes to finding a suitable mate most of the man search for a woman whose clean pious and goody good although they have their flaws and past. Then when they find a girl they like who fits their description automatically expecting her answer to be yes, but let me just say this... Just as some of you man want a woman who is pious clean and the whole 9 yards some woman ahem ahem want the same in the spouse they are looking for. It's just ridiculous to talk to a guy who has done it all and expect to make you his wife... No that's not the way it works and ladies know your worth .. thats all for today :up:
Back to the topic at hand..I agree with u and the deen also reconfirms this.
It says "fornicators are for fornicators"...so don't worry sis. We will have our equals insha'Allah.
I definitely agree. :shaq:

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:00 pm
by grandpakhalif
SelfDiscovery wrote:
Ladyyonelove wrote:This here comes about from life experiences, the thing is now don't get me wrong BUT when it comes to finding a suitable mate most of the man search for a woman whose clean pious and goody good although they have their flaws and past. Then when they find a girl they like who fits their description automatically expecting her answer to be yes, but let me just say this... Just as some of you man want a woman who is pious clean and the whole 9 yards some woman ahem ahem want the same in the spouse they are looking for. It's just ridiculous to talk to a guy who has done it all and expect to make you his wife... No that's not the way it works and ladies know your worth .. thats all for today :up:
Back to the topic at hand..I agree with u and the deen also reconfirms this.
It says "fornicators are for fornicators"...so don't worry sis. We will have our equals insha'Allah.
the thing is how do girls find out if the guy was a fornicator? it is very difficult to find out..

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:06 pm
by SelfD
grandpakhalif wrote:
SelfDiscovery wrote:
Ladyyonelove wrote:This here comes about from life experiences, the thing is now don't get me wrong BUT when it comes to finding a suitable mate most of the man search for a woman whose clean pious and goody good although they have their flaws and past. Then when they find a girl they like who fits their description automatically expecting her answer to be yes, but let me just say this... Just as some of you man want a woman who is pious clean and the whole 9 yards some woman ahem ahem want the same in the spouse they are looking for. It's just ridiculous to talk to a guy who has done it all and expect to make you his wife... No that's not the way it works and ladies know your worth .. thats all for today :up:
Back to the topic at hand..I agree with u and the deen also reconfirms this.
It says "fornicators are for fornicators"...so don't worry sis. We will have our equals insha'Allah.
the thing is how do girls find out if the guy was a fornicator? it is very difficult to find out..
By looking at his Imaan...if someone is God fearing they will have kept pure and their words can be trusted.

In truth you cannot be sure whether either gender are pure because some females do not bleed or their hymen broke from riding a bike or etc. Lakin, you put your trust in Allah and Allah will provide for you a well matched spouse. In the end "fornicators are for fornicators" is a promise from Allah.

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:07 pm
by grandpakhalif
i agree sis but what if the guy was reformed? it seems like girls forgive their ugly past easily, while guys don't.

I personally wouldn't judge a girl if she is reformed.

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:08 pm
by Barwaaqoiyobashbash
Astaqfurallah,may allah forgive me. :down: :down:

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:15 pm
by SelfD
grandpakhalif wrote:i agree sis but what if the guy was reformed? it seems like girls forgive their ugly past easily, while guys don't.

I personally wouldn't judge a girl if she is reformed.

If they have truly seeked repentance from Allah and was forgiven by Allah, why would a human not do the same?
This is when culture plays a role and the double standards reign. However, who u are meant to marry has already been predestined for u, and all you can do is make du'a for the type of spouse you want. Insha'Allah ur dua will be accepted.

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:17 pm
by SelfD
Barwaaqoiyobashbash wrote:My girl betta bleed,or else. :lol: :down: :down:
loool

haye best of luck to u


oh and FYI some girls hymen are very thin, so they dont bleed, and others are thicker causing them to bleed heavily.

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:20 pm
by Barwaaqoiyobashbash
Cod damn,it gon be a mess. :shaq:

Re: finding a suitable mate

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:22 pm
by SelfD
Barwaaqoiyobashbash wrote:Cod damn,it gon be a mess. :shaq:


:ufdup: get outta here