Re: Mehmed the Conqueror -Movie...
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:10 pm
In this post i'll try to show Hutu why i believe the conquest is still to come!
In the Sunan of Abu Dawud, the prophet (SAW) says:
3umranul baytal maqdis, kharaabu yathrib, khuruuju mal7ama,fat7ul konstantiniyya khuruuj ad-dajjal.
( At that time when Jerusalem is flourshing,[construction, economy] i.e Jerusalem being at the center stage of the world, yathrib/madina, will be in desolation,/isolation.)
Medina of having no say, no importance, either in islamic affairs or world affairs. A forgotten city, a pilgrim city, a university city. khuruuju mal7ama, meaning at that time
the great was will take place. The mal7ama has been described in several hadiths, as a terrible, great war. Infact, a series of wars which will culminate into a great war. The mal7ama has not as yet taken place.
Fat7ul konstantiyya means that you will conquer constantinople. In futher detail, the summary of this hadith means that it is only after, you have experienced the Mal7ama, only then will the conquest of constantinople take place. And then the hadith ends with that when constantinople is conquered, the khuruuj of dajjal will take place.
The release of dajjal, and the khuruuj of dajjal are two different things, if you look into the hadiths, you will know that the prophet started suspecting that a young boy named ibn sayyad was the dajjal, what this means that he was released at the time of the prophet, and so many things in the world today, can be ascribed, and can be related with the release of the dajjal, such as an island of britain conquering the world, taking the gold, and replacing it with paper, do you think that happened by accident? You cannot explain, the modern world without dajjal, you cannot explain the feminist revolution without dajjal, you cannot explain, women dressed and yet naked without dajjal, you cannot explain, women dressed like men and men dressed like women without dajjal, you cannot explain riba taking control over the world economy without dajjal, you cannot explain, paper money, bogus, fraudulent, haram paper money without dajjal, you cannot explain, the monetary system around the world without the dajjal. You cannot explain, the liberation for the jews, of the holy land,1917, the return of the jews to the holy land, to reclaim it as their own, 1917 to 1948, the restoration of the state of Isreal in the holy land in 1948 and that state of Isreal, constantly and continuesly growing with power today up till the point it is poised to replace the US as the ruling state of the world. You just cannot explain all these things without dajjal, you cannot explain that the $$$ is going to collapse soon.
But you cannot see dajjal, because he is not in our world of space and time, theres a whole concept to be taught about Islam and space and time, in the qur'an, and that how Allah created several dimensions. However when he does come to our world of space and time he'll be born a jew with curly hair and he'll declare himself to be the messiah, this is called the khuruuj.
Anyways back to the topic, we come to a 2nd hadith now, where only 1 scholar has declared it Daciif, but he's only 1. There are many many many others who do not share his opinion.
The prophet (saw) said, in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, that the great war/the mal7ama, the conquest of constantinople, and the khuruuj of dajjal, will all take place in a period of, 7 months.
If 1453 was the conquest of constantinople propheseised by the prophet, then 7 months after the Ottomans conquered the city, the world would've witnessed the khuruuj of dajjal, it would've taken place.
Has the khuruuj of dajjal taken place 560 years ago?, No , this is simply lazy scholarship.
Now the 3rd hadith,and this one is in Saxiix muslim.
It was narrated by Abu Hurayra (RA) that the prophet SAW said: That the saa3a/hour, will not come until Rum has landed in al a3ma wa ad-daabiq, (two places), and then a army from Medina will come out to them, and it will be from the best people of the earth (in that age), and when they line up against each other, Rum will say to the muslims " Don't stand between us, and those of you who have kept some of our women in war. ( Judging by this, this means the army of Rum will comprise of women aswell,), they will fight them and then 1/3 of the muslim army will flee, and Allah will never accept their tawbah, and 1/3 will be killed/matyrd, and they will be the best shuhaada, in the sight of Allah, and the remaining 1/3 will be victorious , they will conquer Rum, and they will never again be subjected to some kind of fitna. And then, they will conquer constantinople ( So we can say now that the war with Rum is part of the mal7ama), and while the muslims are dividing the booty and spoils of war,having hung their swords in olive trees, the shaydan will scream and say "Al masee ad-dajjal has taken over your place in your families which you left behind", and so they will leave, although the news is false but when they reach Syria, dajjal has already come out, and while they prepare for battle, and the athaan is for salah is called, and then will nabi isa descend to the mosque and leads the prayer. When the enemy has seen nabi isa descended, dajjal will start to dissolve like salt dissolving in water, And if you leave him he will continue to dissolve until he dies but Allah kills him through nabi isa (AS) who then shows dajjals blood on his spear.
This is Sahih muslim.
So by now you should know that there is only one conquering mentioned of constantinople, and it is synonymous with the khuruuj of the dajjal and the mal7ama. Indicating that the prophecy was not fulfilled with the conquering of constantinople back in 1453, if you believe so, i believe no one can make a distincition and say the nabi was talking about 2 different conquerings , when there is only one he mentions again and again with the same synonymous events that take place along with the conquering.
AB.
In the Sunan of Abu Dawud, the prophet (SAW) says:
3umranul baytal maqdis, kharaabu yathrib, khuruuju mal7ama,fat7ul konstantiniyya khuruuj ad-dajjal.
( At that time when Jerusalem is flourshing,[construction, economy] i.e Jerusalem being at the center stage of the world, yathrib/madina, will be in desolation,/isolation.)
Medina of having no say, no importance, either in islamic affairs or world affairs. A forgotten city, a pilgrim city, a university city. khuruuju mal7ama, meaning at that time
the great was will take place. The mal7ama has been described in several hadiths, as a terrible, great war. Infact, a series of wars which will culminate into a great war. The mal7ama has not as yet taken place.
Fat7ul konstantiyya means that you will conquer constantinople. In futher detail, the summary of this hadith means that it is only after, you have experienced the Mal7ama, only then will the conquest of constantinople take place. And then the hadith ends with that when constantinople is conquered, the khuruuj of dajjal will take place.
The release of dajjal, and the khuruuj of dajjal are two different things, if you look into the hadiths, you will know that the prophet started suspecting that a young boy named ibn sayyad was the dajjal, what this means that he was released at the time of the prophet, and so many things in the world today, can be ascribed, and can be related with the release of the dajjal, such as an island of britain conquering the world, taking the gold, and replacing it with paper, do you think that happened by accident? You cannot explain, the modern world without dajjal, you cannot explain the feminist revolution without dajjal, you cannot explain, women dressed and yet naked without dajjal, you cannot explain, women dressed like men and men dressed like women without dajjal, you cannot explain riba taking control over the world economy without dajjal, you cannot explain, paper money, bogus, fraudulent, haram paper money without dajjal, you cannot explain, the monetary system around the world without the dajjal. You cannot explain, the liberation for the jews, of the holy land,1917, the return of the jews to the holy land, to reclaim it as their own, 1917 to 1948, the restoration of the state of Isreal in the holy land in 1948 and that state of Isreal, constantly and continuesly growing with power today up till the point it is poised to replace the US as the ruling state of the world. You just cannot explain all these things without dajjal, you cannot explain that the $$$ is going to collapse soon.
But you cannot see dajjal, because he is not in our world of space and time, theres a whole concept to be taught about Islam and space and time, in the qur'an, and that how Allah created several dimensions. However when he does come to our world of space and time he'll be born a jew with curly hair and he'll declare himself to be the messiah, this is called the khuruuj.
Anyways back to the topic, we come to a 2nd hadith now, where only 1 scholar has declared it Daciif, but he's only 1. There are many many many others who do not share his opinion.
The prophet (saw) said, in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, that the great war/the mal7ama, the conquest of constantinople, and the khuruuj of dajjal, will all take place in a period of, 7 months.
If 1453 was the conquest of constantinople propheseised by the prophet, then 7 months after the Ottomans conquered the city, the world would've witnessed the khuruuj of dajjal, it would've taken place.
Has the khuruuj of dajjal taken place 560 years ago?, No , this is simply lazy scholarship.
Now the 3rd hadith,and this one is in Saxiix muslim.
It was narrated by Abu Hurayra (RA) that the prophet SAW said: That the saa3a/hour, will not come until Rum has landed in al a3ma wa ad-daabiq, (two places), and then a army from Medina will come out to them, and it will be from the best people of the earth (in that age), and when they line up against each other, Rum will say to the muslims " Don't stand between us, and those of you who have kept some of our women in war. ( Judging by this, this means the army of Rum will comprise of women aswell,), they will fight them and then 1/3 of the muslim army will flee, and Allah will never accept their tawbah, and 1/3 will be killed/matyrd, and they will be the best shuhaada, in the sight of Allah, and the remaining 1/3 will be victorious , they will conquer Rum, and they will never again be subjected to some kind of fitna. And then, they will conquer constantinople ( So we can say now that the war with Rum is part of the mal7ama), and while the muslims are dividing the booty and spoils of war,having hung their swords in olive trees, the shaydan will scream and say "Al masee ad-dajjal has taken over your place in your families which you left behind", and so they will leave, although the news is false but when they reach Syria, dajjal has already come out, and while they prepare for battle, and the athaan is for salah is called, and then will nabi isa descend to the mosque and leads the prayer. When the enemy has seen nabi isa descended, dajjal will start to dissolve like salt dissolving in water, And if you leave him he will continue to dissolve until he dies but Allah kills him through nabi isa (AS) who then shows dajjals blood on his spear.
This is Sahih muslim.
So by now you should know that there is only one conquering mentioned of constantinople, and it is synonymous with the khuruuj of the dajjal and the mal7ama. Indicating that the prophecy was not fulfilled with the conquering of constantinople back in 1453, if you believe so, i believe no one can make a distincition and say the nabi was talking about 2 different conquerings , when there is only one he mentions again and again with the same synonymous events that take place along with the conquering.
AB.