Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:29 pm
by SahanGalbeed
The_Emperior5 wrote:
SahanGalbeed wrote:The whole idea behind the federal concept is so that every state becomes multi tribal.
My Hawiye friends do not let the machiavellian gibberish of those who are in all matters nothing but truely frightened , get to your head .
Somalidu waxay u kala baxday , wakhtigaa maanta , those who want peace , democracy and prosperity for all somalis , and those don't !
Pick a side .
The idea of federalism was created for clanish interests
bay and bakool state
Puntland darood state
Jubbaland darood state
and the hawiyes to form several states
That was the idea of federalism to carve the country into clan states
I dont think Majeerteen Puntland will ever share a state with sacad whom they share the same city , and now with the whole jubbaland lets see how it goes
I truely appreciate your response to my post originally addressed to the Hawiye , however your track record here on Snet doesn't show that what you think most of the time tends to be solidly anchored in reality .
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:30 pm
by The_Emperior5
Garuun wrote:these fake 'states' is daydream.Somalia is one ethinic nation.which means federalism wont work how much they try it.
Ethno nationalism died in 1978 get with the program
its all now about tribal states
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:31 pm
by SahanGalbeed
Garuun wrote:these fake 'states' is daydream.Somalia is one ethinic nation.which means federalism wont work how much they try it.
UAE. albeit mini kingdoms .
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:31 pm
by The_Emperior5
Nomand you are right north mudug is daarood
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:33 pm
by Lionheart10
xiinow wrote:
Nomand wrote:shabeele hoose is digil iyo mirifle,
galgaduud is shared with darod and mudug is shared with darod and half is part of puntland.
the only place they can do is banaadir and shabeele dhexe, but tarzan and the goverment said banaadir will never be part of any federal state, so hawiye can't get a federal state that is why they are against jubbaland.
Daarood are minority in J/Hoose, J/dhexe is 0-5 % daarood. Only place in south with majority daarood is gaajo Gedo bro.
Mudug iyo Galgaduudba iska dhaaf waa majority HG. But hey , who said you can´t dream about majority daarood Jubbaland. After all dreams are free.
Oh the irony...
Anyways, the reason why hawiye can't form a federal state is because they are xoolo. They prefer the anarchy and disorganization.
The video sums it up tbh.
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:33 pm
by Nomand
xiinow wrote:
Nomand wrote:shabeele hoose is digil iyo mirifle,
galgaduud is shared with darod and mudug is shared with darod and half is part of puntland.
the only place they can do is banaadir and shabeele dhexe, but tarzan and the goverment said banaadir will never be part of any federal state, so hawiye can't get a federal state that is why they are against jubbaland.
Daarood are minority in J/Hoose, J/dhexe is 0-5 % daarood. Only place in south with majority daarood is gaajo Gedo bro.
Mudug iyo Galgaduudba iska dhaaf waa majority HG. But hey , who said you can´t dream about majority daarood Jubbaland. After all dreams are free.
the person that is dreaming is you, sxb with that ridiculous claim
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:35 pm
by SahanGalbeed
Be proud of what you are if you want to be respected lionheart
Claiming to be something else , while driven by a desire to insult people who you consider rivals on a tribal basis is the epitome of cowardice .
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:37 pm
by Lionheart10
I have no reason to lie brah so stop following me midgaanyahow, bucur baceyrkii ku dhaley wase.
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:40 pm
by GIJaamac
Lionheart10 wrote:
xiinow wrote:
Nomand wrote:shabeele hoose is digil iyo mirifle,
galgaduud is shared with darod and mudug is shared with darod and half is part of puntland.
the only place they can do is banaadir and shabeele dhexe, but tarzan and the goverment said banaadir will never be part of any federal state, so hawiye can't get a federal state that is why they are against jubbaland.
Daarood are minority in J/Hoose, J/dhexe is 0-5 % daarood. Only place in south with majority daarood is gaajo Gedo bro.
Mudug iyo Galgaduudba iska dhaaf waa majority HG. But hey , who said you can´t dream about majority daarood Jubbaland. After all dreams are free.
Oh the irony...
Anyways, the reason why hawiye can't form a federal state is because they are xoolo. They prefer the anarchy and disorganization.
The video sums it up tbh.
tanker the shameless jeberti transvetite
I didnt know somalia parlament consisted of Hawiye only.
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:40 pm
by Titanium
The_Emperior5 wrote:
Titanium wrote:Hiiraan is going to be a federal state soon. It has been cut into two provinces. You have 1 Hawiye state.
The two Shabelle provinces should join. That would give us two Hawiye states. I've heard rumors of Shabelle joining but doesnt seem true.
I honestly don't believe Hawiye give a damn. They look like they prefer to be under central rule. I think this would be best. Central government can be able to let the aid money and the federal funds trickle down to the central regions and there could be some development. While other regions want to ignore the central government, the central government would have no option but to only allow the central regions develop as the Turks are here, as the western world have come to help us.
Zizzz is right. The man who wanted federalism and pushed for it knew exactly what he was doing. But he failed. Federalism doesn't mean anything for Hawiye. Majority of Hawiye live in Muqdisho. Looks like Hiiraan is going to be established as a federal state and if not, it doesn't matter. Let is all go under central rule. Central rule is better than federalism for Hawiye. Considering the circumstances, it is better. Autonomy doesn't make sense for Hawiye. For Darod it does but not Hawiye. Hawiye have no one to run from. Their rights are always secured. Why have autonomy when they are the government? They will always be the government. The government is in their town. They have Muqdisho, it is their base.
This makes sense since Hawiye is the government it doesnt matter for them to create states, hawiye has it good as long as the capital remains Mogadishu and i am certain there is no city in Somalia that can compete with xamar when it comes to size and history and population.
Hasssan sheikh the other day said the goverment will be from mudug to the kenyan border
Muqdisho is more than 2.5 million. No city in Somalia can compete with it economically. It will forever be the economic center of Somalis. 20+ years of civil war in Muqdisho and no one has come even half close. Imagine now during the peace? Hawiye have it very good. Their future looks amazing. Let the peace continue and Hawiye and Muqdisho will only get stronger.
It is in Hawiye's benefit for federalism to be pushed. International development will only reach Xamar. Whatever the international community gives the government, it will only reach Xamar, aka Hawiye. Those autonomous states are running away. This is great news. Let them run away.
As for Jubbaland, it won't form anytime soon. Al Shabab controls half of it, with them controlling 100% of Middle Juba. But I hope and pray they merge soon. I pray for Jubbaland forming more than the Jubbalanders themselves.
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:41 pm
by SahanGalbeed
Yes you do , lionheart it is apparent to everybody here .
I am barwani and my mother is dhulbahante is not an excuse , nor does it pass the smell test .
Midgaan is he who acts like one , not he who claims he is not .
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:42 pm
by The_Emperior5
A barwaani Yaxar enslaved by Habargedir who is on his maternal side from the al khadam the toilet cleaners of Yemen. Calling an Isaaq man a midgaan hall dhalayasa indhahagu na wa ku tusaa
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:45 pm
by SahanGalbeed
Wallahi I wouldn't be surprised if it were a woman .
Nooc yaroo cajiib ah baa beriyahan danbe ka soo baxay . Ilaahow ceeb astur .
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:47 pm
by FarhanYare
khalid,
horta lets see waxeey ka kenaan this federalism (mj wants to be darood atoore so lets see how this pans out), the other thing is sxb dadkaan waa wada looma oyaans and so hadaan ku deysaano sharafta ayaa naga daceyso besides as titanium pointed out we do not feel threatened by them, you have to realise these people hawiye cuqdadada oo ku riday back in 1991 has stuck by them to the core and the federalism you see now is the side effect.
Re: How come Hawiye haven't established a federal state
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:50 pm
by FarhanYare
The_Emperior5 wrote:A barwaani Yaxar enslaved by Habargedir who is on his maternal side from the al khadam the toilet cleaners of Yemen. Calling an Isaaq man a midgaan hall dhalayasa indhahagu na wa ku tusaa
