Is Somalinimo dead

[Murax]

Warya,

There was always one theory that I thought would work and that was the concept of a victor's peace. That has ended so many other devastating conflicts around the world like Rwanda, Yemen, Ethiopia etc. Basically 1 side wins but when they do, they do not act like fools and instead relinquish some of their power in the spirit of reconciliation. Somalis do not have that culture, it is the jungle 'winner take all' mentality. Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state. In the meantime, the burning and chaos will continue on and on.


A Arab League official said recently that in the future, the world may just completely give up on Somalia and move on and it will not even be a priority. I think that might just be the case. It might just become a permanent garbage disposal plant, nuclear waste plant as well as a playground for the whole world.

[AgentOfChaos]

Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state.

That's oxymoron.

[Hyperactive]

add to murax's list, heaven ground for criminals or social rejects.

our forefathers were nomad who keep moving where their livestocks took them. they didnt know nationhood or wadan

[Meyle]

Somalinimo is dead and Somalis exclusively from the former Somalia Italiana killed it and they're the ones that changed the meaning of Somalinimo. That word today is ambiguous and double-edged, it's far from what it meant in the 60's.

[Murax]

Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state.

That's oxymoron.

Thats no different than what Meles Zenawi did in Ethiopia, Paul Kagame did in Rwanda, the Allied Forces did in WW2, and so on. Wars just don't end, they end because there is a winner with a vision

[abdisamad3]

Somalinimo is not dead but Somali nationalism is dead.
we all choose our tribe over our nation...

[Khalid Ali]

There never was the concept of nationhood in our people sxb and their never will be really
Somllis see nations as people that's why we say Ruushka,Ingriiska,Talyaaniga these are names which reffer to a collective of people.Where as in the English language for example the name France reffers to the nation and the name French refers to the people.We.however don't difrentiate 'cos we have no concept of Nation

If we have no concept of nation then we wouldn't have words like dal, dhul, waddan, qaran, arlada, bilaad etc in the Somali language.

These are all descriptions of the Somali peninsula but it doesn't mean we were a nation we were never a nation who share a common history a common plight , we based our nationalism on ethno nationalism and it failed. Because it has no strong foundation , the Somali identity is a lose identity it means little to many. I find it really funny when some daarood members on this site say Hawiye are not Somali and hawiye members gets offended. if they tell me i am not Somali , why would i feel offended i would embrace with open arms Because Somali is just a language its not a country it was a fake identity we created to unite those who speak the same language. But we are not the same people in reality. Our ancestors SNL SYL messed it up they based Somali nationalism based on a language and a common lose identity , but not on the country its self if Somalia nationalism was based on Somalia only from raskaambooni to raas caseer somalia today would have not been a Failed state , we included into the Somalia nationalism. Somalilanders from Somaliland Djiboutians , Somalis from the ogaden NFD people. Non of these people ever shared a common empire history they were lose nomads some farmers some are bantu some are others folks some are bravenese. Kenya nationalism is based on the different kenyan people who re from there. in Somalia you will hear Somali Kenyans speak for Jubbaland beacause its their tribal homeland there is no sense of nationalism as a country but fake Somalinimo mambo jambo

[gurey25]

Warya,

There was always one theory that I thought would work and that was the concept of a victor's peace. That has ended so many other devastating conflicts around the world like Rwanda, Yemen, Ethiopia etc. Basically 1 side wins but when they do, they do not act like fools and instead relinquish some of their power in the spirit of reconciliation. Somalis do not have that culture, it is the jungle 'winner take all' mentality. Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state. In the meantime, the burning and chaos will continue on and on.

you just described somaliland.

[AgentOfChaos]

our forefathers were nomad who keep moving where their livestocks took them. they didnt know nationhood or wadan

If our forefathers didn't know nationhood then we would still be under colonial rule.

[abdisamad3]

Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state.

That's oxymoron.

Thats no different than what Meles Zenawi did in Ethiopia, Paul Kagame did in Rwanda, the Allied Forces did in WW2, and so on. Wars just don't end, they end because there is a winner with a vision

if brute force would work Mohamed siyad barre wouldn't have lost power. You can't just force people into unity who doesn't want unity..
we all hate each other equally because of tribe and will rather die than see one of our rival clans being successful.

[AgentOfChaos]

There never was the concept of nationhood in our people sxb and their never will be really
Somllis see nations as people that's why we say Ruushka,Ingriiska,Talyaaniga these are names which reffer to a collective of people.Where as in the English language for example the name France reffers to the nation and the name French refers to the people.We.however don't difrentiate 'cos we have no concept of Nation

If we have no concept of nation then we wouldn't have words like dal, dhul, waddan, qaran, arlada, bilaad etc in the Somali language.

These are all descriptions of the Somali peninsula but it doesn't mean we were a nation we were never a nation who share a common history a common plight , we based our nationalism on ethno nationalism and it failed. Because it has no strong foundation , the Somali identity is a lose identity it means little to many. I find it really funny when some daarood members on this site say Hawiye are not Somali and hawiye members gets offended. if they tell me i am not Somali , why would i feel offended i would embrace with open arms Because Somali is just a language its not a country it was a fake identity we created to unite those who speak the same language. But we are not the same people in reality. Our ancestors SNL SYL messed it up they based Somali nationalism based on a language and a common lose identity , but not on the country its self if Somalia nationalism was based on Somalia only from raskaambooni to raas caseer somalia today would have not been a Failed state , we included into the Somalia nationalism. Somalilanders from Somaliland Djiboutians , Somalis from the ogaden NFD people. Non of these people ever shared a common empire history they were lose nomads some farmers some are bantu some are others folks some are bravenese. Kenya nationalism is based on the different kenyan people who re from there. in Somalia you will hear Somali Kenyans speak for Jubbaland beacause its their tribal homeland there is no sense of nationalism as a country but fake Somalinimo mambo jambo

Riiiiight, well it's settled then, we don't even have the same DNA then.

[Khalid Ali]

Warya,

There was always one theory that I thought would work and that was the concept of a victor's peace. That has ended so many other devastating conflicts around the world like Rwanda, Yemen, Ethiopia etc. Basically 1 side wins but when they do, they do not act like fools and instead relinquish some of their power in the spirit of reconciliation. Somalis do not have that culture, it is the jungle 'winner take all' mentality. Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state. In the meantime, the burning and chaos will continue on and on.


A Arab League official said recently that in the future, the world may just completely give up on Somalia and move on and it will not even be a priority. I think that might just be the case. It might just become a permanent garbage disposal plant, nuclear waste plant as well as a playground for the whole world.

Murax bro the thing the civil war in Somalia no one won the civil war when Maxammad siyad bare was ousted there should have been a real power in place to represent the Somalis and move from there. But there was no one , till today i dont think any one won the civil war other normal countries. some one wins the civil war the rest follows. This is not thee case with Somalia.i doubt we can find some one who can unite the country by force. Alshabaab came close but we called in all the countries of the African union to stop them

[Murax]

Warya,

There was always one theory that I thought would work and that was the concept of a victor's peace. That has ended so many other devastating conflicts around the world like Rwanda, Yemen, Ethiopia etc. Basically 1 side wins but when they do, they do not act like fools and instead relinquish some of their power in the spirit of reconciliation. Somalis do not have that culture, it is the jungle 'winner take all' mentality. Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state. In the meantime, the burning and chaos will continue on and on.

you just described somaliland.

No question Somaliland is ahead of the curve in this dept. Although I think this was created through a systematic programming of the people there that everybody in the South are Your sworn enemies who wanna see You burn alive. That helped with unity, but whatever the tactic it worked so respect



Abdisamad3,

MSB's Government was really broken by Ethiopia, I don't think it was internal. The '77 war although the cause was noble was 1 Somalia could not afford. I think that mistake by MSB is what doomed the State.

[AgentOfChaos]

Until We have a strong Somali force that can brute force take control of the Country and at the same time have the maturity to power share and pardon will we have a viable state.

That's oxymoron.

Thats no different than what Meles Zenawi did in Ethiopia, Paul Kagame did in Rwanda, the Allied Forces did in WW2, and so on. Wars just don't end, they end because there is a winner with a vision

Sadly the brute force has already been tried and it led to the deaths of thousands of innocent lives. The end doesn't always justify the means, besides brute force in this day and age will only set us back another 20 years. Be careful what you ask for sxb.

[gurey25]

but you are ignoring the second part..
after an overwhelmin victory we reconciled with other clans and did not exact revenge.