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dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:00 pm

[quote="Jakeem"]society? society ? society? society ?

One simple question, who created the society itself ?[/quote]

society or community (interchangeable): can range from 2 individuals to millions. Society or community decides what is in everyone's best interest while doing least harm to individual's right to freedom, justice, life, opportunity etc etc...That is how all laws and customs came about.

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:02 pm

"My point is even in the western world people do not have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies. The government intervenes for the sake of the society. Example; Prostitution is Illegal in so many places. One can argue and say "It is my body" But still there are laws.
Drug users are intervened by the governments still one can argue and say "It is my health it is my body". Even there are dress codes in so many places, where modesty dressing is required."

First of all, where governments regulate things like sex and behavior, governments are wrong. That is not the purview of government and should not be the purview of government. Government exists to provide basic services and security and to a limited degree regulate commerce. That's it. Anything else is exceeding it's mandate. You allow chickenshit government officials to regulate your life and believe me, they will. Whenever and wherever you find this you should fight it, not encourage it.

"The same way, if a Islamic government or a ruler see someone who is dressed in a way that attracts sin and evil, then they have the right to intervene. "

"Islamic government" shouldn't exist. In the same way that Christian government and Jewish government and so forth should not exist. And you may be surprised to find that many Islamic scholars agree with me.

Why can't the muslim authroities have the same rights that the non-muslim authorities have over their society?

"Muslims authorities" (and by that I mean elected officials who happen to be Muslim) should have the same rights.

biko · Post by **biko** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:13 pm

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]Jakeem,

I agree that everyone should respect and conform as much as possible to local customs...but what is and is not 'approperiate' should be decided by society and not by a book 1500 years old.[/quote]
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society does decide whats appropriate, whether its from a book or a tale. and the same goes for every society, the only problem is that, Islam is the only one that lasted the course so far; while others abondoned their beliefs and values. everything that use to be sacret before is something to be a shamed off today!

take christianity for example; it aint that much different from islam, as far as certain values concerning families and society in general. but just because christians (mainly those in the west) have turned their holly bible into something not so holly and cant tell the time of day, doesnt mean the rest of have to follow suit!

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:17 pm

Biko
Well man, you can always move to that Islamic paradise Saudi Arabia!

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:24 pm

Biko,

You are right in christian's abondonment of most of what their scriptures order but that is why they have leapfroged the muslims. Believe or not, the Quran and ALL islamic injuctions are for 7th centure living, not 21st century.

As soceities evolve, so do cultures, languages, customs, norms...religions must keep up or they'll become prisons.

Jakeem · Post by **Jakeem** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:27 pm

[quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="Jakeem"]society? society ? society? society ?

One simple question, who created the society itself ?[/quote]

society or community (interchangeable): can range from 2 individuals to millions. Society or community decides what is in everyone's best interest while doing least harm to individual's right to freedom, justice, life, opportunity etc etc...That is how all laws and customs came about.[/quote]

Actually the answer i was lookin for is far away from this i asked you who created society not the definitions of society . I got a dictionary right beside me I will let you know when i can't find a word

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:32 pm

Jakeem,

I don't understand what you mean by who creates society? What kind of answer are you looking for?

society is created by the ppl belonging to it.

Jakeem · Post by **Jakeem** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:36 pm

who created the people? now do you think some thing which is created should set the rules for us??????????? nah i didn't think so either

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:40 pm

[quote="Jakeem"]who created the people? now do you think some thing which is created should set the rules for us??????????? nah i didn't think so either[/quote]

What is created? People?

People weren't created, they evolved. They learned through experience and that experience taught them to set up laws and customs.

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:59 pm

DD,

Darwin's theory! Shocked

Goormaa laga tegey warkaas, xataa gaaladii iska diidey eh Shocked

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:12 pm

[quote="kambuli"]DD,

Darwin's theory! Shocked

Goormaa laga tegey warkaas, xataa gaaladii iska diidey eh Shocked

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Kambuli,

why are you shocked? evolution is a FACT.

kambuli...how did you come up with ur nic...strange name...what does it mean? You go to Uni?

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:06 pm

DD,

The shock part, I just like that emotion. Qolyihii balada iska dhigi jirey ee odhan jirey daayeer ayaa laga yimid iwm way ka noqdeen sheekadaas. Taasina waxay noqotey "Goormaa laga tegey warkaas" Shocked

My nic, it is a Somali name. Sir luggooyo explained very eloquently to the Somalinetters when I joined. Maybe you missed it. Sad

biko · Post by **biko** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:42 pm

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]Biko,

You are right in christian's abondonment of most of what their scriptures order but that is why they have leapfroged the muslims. Believe or not, the Quran and ALL islamic injuctions are for 7th centure living, not 21st century.

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so basicaly, if anything - muslim should also abondon their values in order to catch-up with the west?...

this is the 21st century and the Quran and all islamic in juctions, as you put it - is a tailored fiting!!!...no matter what century we're in, Islamic teachings and values will always fit in like a glove

B00 · Post by **B00** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:16 pm

[quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="Jakeem"]who created the people? now do you think some thing which is created should set the rules for us? nah i didn't think so either[/quote]

What is created? People?

People weren't created, they evolved. They learned through experience and that experience taught them to set up laws and customs.[/quote]

Laughing

Dhuusa thats one of the ridiculous comments I've ever heard from you sxb, We just evolved without existence, So from your perspective we derivatived from primates ?????? I presume.

Post by **Basra-** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:22 pm

[quote=" So from your perspective we derivatived from primates ?????? I presume.[/quote]

Boo what is ridiculous is your comments, HOW DO U WRITE MISTER?

How in the world could u use the word 'derivated' in a conversation sentence? This is bizarre to say the least! Laughing

You are almost robotic.U work with computers alot dont u? A proverbial geek shall we presume? '

PS: this is not my usual 'antics' looool Laughing

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