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Kafkaesque wrote:Watch at 1 hour 4 minutes, old Habar Mooryaan man basically says that his clan's wrath has touched all Somalis, so he knows about conquering lands and then says he's from Kismayo and Kismayo and also lives in Qoryooley.

That old Habar mooryaan is bully.

There was lady repeatedly saying somaliland wey go'i kari weyday....

Now I understand the Jubbaland problem.

But the funny bits first - Some some

Minority aa tihin waa la idiin maamulaya - said by pro Jubbaland guy

Dadka Gaalkacyo ila Kismayo dagan qabiilka wey ka xishoodan lakin haddi aad marada iska ridey aniga neh keyga waan turi kara

Dadka Kismaayo ku nool waa la aqaana, dadka hadalka ad adeeg ku hadlo ma'aha

Haddi xaq wax lagu kala qaadanayo ninkas injineerka ah aya is kaleh, haddi boobb wax lagu kala qaadanaya neh aniga aya is kaleh - HG man

Madahtinamada, Puntland ayey ka timaadey, haddi wixi ey la gula heshiiyey loga noqdo wey ku sax santahay in ey ayada neh aqonsi dowlada kala noqoto

Markii Xassan Sheikh la doortey malimihi ka dambeye, telefishin kanaal walbo aad saartid reer Puntland ayaa tageeraye, markii Saacid PM lo doortey neh opposite ey isku badashey, ma'ogi sababta

Dadka Somali Kenyanka oo dhahayan billion aya Kismayo naga gashey, haddi ey runn sheegayan lacagtaas Mandeera iyo Garrisa aya u bahaan meeshas ha gashtaan


And many many more - walee maanta waan qosle



The serious bits

Xalka Jubboyinka, xaq uu ka dhalan kara. Xal hooyo xaqqa aya u ah -


To be honest I don't think anyone can honestly believe that it is fair that:

Puntland - ruled by Maxamuud Saleeban
Banadir - Mudulood
Galmudug - Sacad
Ximaan iyo Xeeb - Saleeban

etc etc

But Kismayo - A man from kilinka shanad?

Runtii that doesn't make sense


The concern

Some people are willing or maybe their intention is to destroy this current government and by doing so the best shot Somalia has had in coming out of the civil war

As that reer Kismayo guy said - Puntland waa walaalehen waane jecelnahay lakin dhibka aad Kismayo nagu heysiin naga daaya.

The PM isn't MJ so what? I think the whole of Somalis need to discuss whether the Darood seat belongs to MJ or if it can be given to the other qabiils within that clan.


The solution

First it is important to acknowledge the problem. The locals feel like foreigners have come to their land, elected their own leader and want to govern them by force with the help of Kenyans. Those who support the foreigners movement refuse to accept the concerns of the locals and choose instead to blame the federal government. Like it was said, it seems that if force is what it comes down to a lot of people are willing to fight for both sides and as it has been shown time and time again - in the end there will be no winners, only losers and we will be set back another God knows how many decades.

Therefore like I said in the beginning (before I realised the foreigners issue) no one's rights should be denied. The OG who are from that region, the MJs, the MXs and the 37 other qabiils all need to be given their fair share. Ninki dhoof ku yimid bey geeridu dhibeysa Somalida been meysan ku sheegin, therefore before things get ugly I think the locals should be given a platform. Have an interim governor of the region and then hold an election where a governor is elected by the people themselves. Xaq daro meel ma lagu gaarayo.


This is my conclusion after that hour of entertainment. But as it was said, Somalidu qabiil ma ka dhaamto. I hope we have learnt enough from the past 50 odd years since independence that anything born out of unfairness will only lead to problems.

I want to ask this innocent mooryaan warrior princess, who exactly is gunning for the PM seat, and which evidence she has for this other than the fadhi ku dirir. It's worthless and unproven propaganda, as far as I am concerned, Saacid was welcomed both by the people when he arrived in Puntland and by the government when he was selected by Hasan Sheikh.

The opposition to this government came after the unconstitutional opposition to Jubbaland. The president's favouritism in regards to the building of states, in particular his stance towards Beledweyne when he welcomed a local building of governance, but opposed the same in Kismayo.

That's the opposition as it is blatant tribalism. Secondly, why does a HG man concern himself with Jubboyinka? You may ask the same of a person from Puntland, but a person from Puntland may have lived in Kismayo for 6 generations or so.

Secondly a non-reer waamo Puntlander has a maamul, he has a home, he knows governance, laakin a man who refuses to build a maamul for himself, telling others that they can't build, waa sheeko cajiib ah, ma igu raacdey?

The fact that Puntland took it upon itself to become opposition to the government from the day a non-MJ PM was elected is not up for debate. We all remember even the person attacks Saacid, much like Farmaajo had to suffer. Marka sheeko xariirta naga joji


The problem with Jubbaland is that it is not constitutional - you cannot have foreigners coming to Somalia and claiming leadership, you can't create something if the people do not support it and are not behind it. According to that segment, this Jubbaland regime does not even control much of the region. By denying that there is a problem, by ignoring the concerns of the people who are from that region this Jubbaland movement will only hold the people from the Jubba regions behind.


And finally a HG man will concern himself with Jubboyinka because he too is of the people oo afka ad adag and he knows how to speak your language. Did you see how that idiot took back everything he said and started being all nationalistic after he got served? About you are a minority who will be ruled by force, the original inhabitants of that region are very calm and sweet as they said so themselves lakin idinka haddi aad xoog ku qabsaneysiin then umadda kale dhan neh (especially your fellow reer Mudugians) can also throw their hat in and reclaim their former strongholds. Why not?

That's incorrect, my maiden habar. I think you are not able to distinguish political opposition or opposition to his position as prime minister. This is why your ilk are far behind in siyaasad.

Saacid has never been opposed as PM, will never be opposed as PM and is not currently being opposed as the legitimate prime minister. However, his policies towards Jubboyinka will be, and if they are the cause of his failure as prime minister, then so be it.

As for Farmaajo, if you go back, you should remember why he was opposed. He meddled in Puntland's internal affairs while Mogadishu was under Al-Shabaab bombing and he was hiding in Halane AMISOM base. He tried to stop our piracy task force which yielded some good results, he opposed our natural resources activities as well, this was the turning point.

When he resigned, Abdiweli M. Ali and Sheikh Shariif worked together in Badbaado Qaran and we all know where we are today because of it, so we must not step aside from those historical facts, the government you love today was born in Garowe ina adeer, so why would anyone want its collapse?

The ownership of Lower Juba is recorded in history, whether it be academically or more contemporary sources, we all know. The man claiming this is a minority takeover because foreign forces are used should understand that Al-Shabaab would be there if not them.

Secondly, his mooryaan maskax can't even comprehend the ironic and truly hypocritical words oozing out of his mouth, it makes me want to piss in his mouth. What is Mogadishu today without foreign forces, who are the rightful owners of Mogadishu, shouldn't it be Reer Xamar and Arab Somalis? If it is, then Kismayo will be given to the Bajunis, if it's not, it will be Harti and Ogaden.

The government was not born in Garoowe as it was said, meetings were held in Xamar, Galkacyo and Garoowe. This is why you deserve nothing, a meeting is held in your village markaas aa dadka sanka ka galgalineysaan, wasaqiin bila xishood


Yes Farmaajo achieved nothing and let's not forget how useless Sh.Shariif is without Abdiweli - adiga do you think we have Alzheimer's? Runta iska sheeg this is a recurring theme, if it's not MJ, Puntland won't support it.


I agree with you that it's not good that we have AMISOM lakin no one invited them there because they were bored with nothing better to do. The idea is to move forward so that there are no foreign troops in Somalia. If you bring in Kenya you think they will leave? Leave Jubboyinka with all its rich resources after capturing it? Caqli xumo ila heerkaas waa jiro.

LeJusticier wrote:There is no they or we....you are all same....walo is walo devouring one another.

i guess he wasn't expecting such response

The HG man xafidullah its AWs aabo, rageedi walleeh Aniga turdho ayaan ka imid iyo qoryoleey laakin ma sheegto

abdi.ismail wrote:Thank god my ancestors stayed North. Rightwing, can you imagine HJ sucking bantu ceeb just to get one up on HY? There are no more proud Somalis past Las Canood.

wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! basra must've wrote that

BlackVelvet

Actually, it was called Somali National Consultative Constitutional Conference, the results were the Garowe Principles, 1 and 2, with the Gaalkacyo amendment. I can't have a rational conversation with you, if you are denying this, for God's sake, the front mooryaan speaker on Universal TV didn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garowe_Principles

"This is why you deserve nothing", waa kaas, that is what I was expecting and you gave me, just like Titanium said to me, this is the bronze age mentality that I am dealing with.



I want to ask you ina adeer, in closing up this conversation, what am I asking for, what is Puntland asking for, iga jawaab intaas. Here I am talking about the constitution, the very document leaders of the mooryaan factions signed, the president signed, this president was elected via, it is the piece that is holding this so-called nation together, the very center of law, and you talk about 'MJ, Puntland iyo Garowe'.

Dee, ina adeer ciyaarta jooji

PS. As for Kenya, it is out of the norm to believe a third world country such as Kenya will occupy and exploit our resources, it's not possible by any stretch of the imagination. Somalia will rebounce sooner rather than later, soon as this Jubbaland debacle is up.

Warsheekh wrote:The HG man xafidullah its AWs aabo, rageedi walleeh Aniga turdho ayaan ka imid iyo qoryoleey laakin ma sheegto

yaa ma cabdiwahab abihii baa ku jira dooda, inanka iyo aabuhuba fadhikudirirka wey tuurtan miyaa

grandpakhalif wrote:You still having nightmares of Walo? War naga seexo, manta we are nothing. Just AMISOM shitstains.

hargaysaay wrote:

Warsheekh wrote:The HG man xafidullah its AWs aabo, rageedi walleeh Aniga turdho ayaan ka imid iyo qoryoleey laakin ma sheegto

yaa ma cabdiwahab abihii baa ku jira dooda, inanka iyo aabuhuba fadhikudirirka wey tuurtan miyaa

haa cidu waa af miinshaar did u see how odayga schooled kii is waalaye caabi la yiraa

Kafkaesque iida you think it was called the Garowe Principles because reer Garoowe were the ones who wrote it? If Puntland had it its way existing states (i.e. Puntland) would have selected the MPs. It is was smart politics of Sh.Shariif to use Puntland's ego to further the Somali interests and lead us out of the transitional phase. Stop using wikipedia walaal, here you go http://unpos.unmissions.org/LinkClick.a ... uage=en-US

Puntland is not the government of Somalia and the more you behave like you are the more you waste the real government's time. Someone needs to tell you to sit the fck down, waxaan wa laga daaley.


When you act like you do Kafkaesque, the only think the rest of us wish for is your independence. Puntland is becoming Somalia's biggest liability. If you are adding nothing to the progress of Somalia and can do nothing but stand in the way then please go away. The Republic of Puntland, duca idinku dareyna. Sadly that is not going to happen marka fall in line, no one is getting more than their fair share. What was it someone said? Teyda isii tada neh aan kula cuno

Kafkaesque wrote:PS. As for Kenya, it is out of the norm to believe a third world country such as Kenya will occupy and exploit our resources,

Saan ma ku fiyoowid. Go look at a map and locate NFD and Somali Galbeed.

Bal sug ina adeer, waxaan dooniyaa in aan ku weydiiyo su'aal muhiim ah before we move on.

Ilaahi baan kugu daarshee, ma Majeerteen iyo Soomaali baa is le'eg?

Iga jawaab.