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Re: Special Report: Syria's Islamists seize control as moder
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:11 pm
by grandpakhalif
I CHECKED Sheikh albaani and its not sahih, its weak narration sorry.
Re: Special Report: Syria's Islamists seize control as moder
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:39 pm
by ZubeirAwal
grandpakhalif wrote:I CHECKED Sheikh albaani and its not sahih, its weak narration sorry.
Lol so al-baani can disprove what nawawi, hajr asqalani and many other mutaxaddithin approved? it is sahiih
re-read the silsila, this is what I mean, you want proof, you got it.
Re: Special Report: Syria's Islamists seize control as moder
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:40 pm
by ZubeirAwal
As mentioned above, it has come with a chain of transmission meeting the standards of Bukhari and Muslim, so there is nothing left for a critic to attack or slanderer to disparage concerning the authenticity of the hadith. Consequently, as for the permissibility of supplicating Allah (tawassul) through either a living or dead person, it follows by human reason, scholarship, and sentiment, that there is flexibility in the matter. Whoever wants to can either take tawassul or leave it, without causing trouble or making accusations, since it has been this thoroughly checked ("Adilla Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama'a , 79-83).
Re: Special Report: Syria's Islamists seize control as moder
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:43 pm
by ZubeirAwal
since the hadith explicitly proves the legal validity of supplicating Allah (tawassul) through the deceased, for 'Uthman ibn Hunayf and indeed all the prophetic Companions, by scholarly consensus (ijma'), were legally upright ('udul), and are above being impugned with teaching someone an act of disobedience, much less idolatory (shirk).
The hadith is rigorously authenticated (sahih), as Tabarani explicitly states in his "al-Mu'jam al-saghir." The translator (Nuh Ha Mim Keller), wishing to verify the matter further, to the hadith with its chain of narrators to hadith specialist Sheikh Shu'ayb Arna'ut, who after examining it, agreed that it was rigorously authenticated (sahih) as Tabarani indicated, a judgement which was also confirmed to the translator by the Morrocan hadith specialist Sheikh 'Abdullah Muhammad Ghimari, who characterized the hadith as "very rigorously authenticated," and noted that hadith masters Haythami and Mundhiri had explicitly concurred with Tabarani on its being rigorously authenticated (sahih).
The upshot is that the recommendedness of tawassul to Allah Most High - through the living or the dead - is the position of the Shafi'i school, which is why both our author Ibn Naqib Al-Misri, and Imam Nawawi in his "Al-Adhkar (281-282)", and "al-Majmu" explicitly record that "tawassul" through the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) and asking his intercession are recommended."
case closed
Re: Special Report: Syria's Islamists seize control as moder
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:55 pm
by grandpakhalif
I trust sheikh albaani, sorry.
Re: Special Report: Syria's Islamists seize control as moder
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:56 am
by ZubeirAwal
You trust your 20th century sheikhs over the original aslaf who commentated and cited this hadith as sahiih, the aqli of a donkey, follow the shaydan where he goes even if he goes into a lizard's hole.
Re: Special Report: Syria's Islamists seize control as moder
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:33 am
by AhlulbaytSoldier
Qabuurogaleen Abuukar Al-Qaldaani prefers ceeb yaanyo's rule in which barely dressed white women swim in the ocean, a german pornstar is allowed to make vids, and where khat is the main thing that holds the small siilland's economy together.
Whenever he sees the beautiful black flag waved by honourable women in niqab and hijaab he is angry.
But when he sees fat qaldaan females shaking their fat xalwo asses on the secessionist flag with shahada in disco's, he is delighted.
Also another frustration is that the mujahideen will level every shirki pagan shrine with the ground. But he doesnt want that. He wants to sing kumbaya kumbaya ya fulan wala fulan everytime he visits pagan shrine.
Were you mocking with the signs of Allah? Make no excuse!!