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BuuloXubeey wrote:

abdikarim86 wrote:Lool at Oromos and Somalis having something in common
Y'all obviously haven't seen Oromokind

Oromo-speaking Somalis such as Akisho, Jaarso, Barsuug and Gurgure
have the most in common with Somalis, followed by the eastern oromo.

Other oromos (the majority) are completely different in culture and religion.
Amhara and most Oromo are basically the same thing

Tell us more about the Oromo's in Somaliland. I know there are many in Hargeisa doing menial work. How do they look like, can you tell they aren't Somalis? The only time I come across an Oromo was two times. One in the UK and a group of them in Nairobi.

The Oromo in SL are basically 2 groups.
Somali clans who've been partially oromised and originate
from the Somali-Oromo border west and north of Jigjiga and Eastern Oromo.

A lot of Jaarso and Akisho are quite numerous in Jigjiga and Hargeysa and speak fluent somali
whereas others only speak gadhuu gadhaa, Gurgure live in Dhir Dhaba

You can tell at times but other times not so much especially
if they're Gurgure/Akisho etc

BuuloXubeey,

Thanks for bringing such subject to light but your understanding of Oromo is what the average Somalis sees as Oromo. Abdikarim is spot on. Those tribes are lost Dir clans whom half of them assimilated into Eastern Oromo and these groups introduced our genes to them but the real Oromo are as far as Bantu genes are to Somali genes.

Even the Oromo will tell you their thousands of different groups hardly share anything in common and your talking about Somalis sharing something in common with 36 million Oromo.

The Oromo that we know are no more than 8-10 million if not less and its those that are close to us thanks to Dir clans who crossbred into them. Remember the Dir clans lived this land for thousands of years and even Diredawa is named after them Dir'dawa, the city of Dir.

The Oromo in Hargeisa are mainly Akisho, Jarso, Garri and Gurgura and some Arsi. But there are no Wollo, Karrayyu, ltu, Ala, Qaiioo, Anniyya, Tummugga Orma, Akkichuu, Liban, Jile, Gofa, Sidamo, Sooddo, Galaan or even the Gujii.

What's in Hargeisa and Jijiga are just lost Dir clans.

Also you said Aksum was Amhara. Not true. Aksum was dominated by the Tigray house of Solomons and some of the mixed (Amhara/Oromo) Shewans. The Tigray only lost power in the 19th century when Emperor Yohannes IV (Tigray) was killed by a Beja Muslim (now Eritreans) man when Yohannes IV decided to aid the British against the Mahdi of Sudan. Until this day, the Muslim Eritreans and the Habesha got along well and Aksum was dominated by Eritrean Tigrayans (Tigrayan nobility). The Tigray of Ethiopia were working class for the Eritrean Habesha elites and this is where the hate began...now the table turnned and the Eritreans couldn't swallow that they former workers now wanted to rule and dominate their lives.

The mistake Yohannes IV made was he did not have a heir (son) and even though he had illegitimate son he used to deny it was his. He used to claim that was his niece. When he was in his death bed, he named him as the successor and the Tigrayan elites rejected him. So war broke out between the Tigrayans. They basically became like present day Somalis, many warlords, too many rulers. The Shewans (assimilated Wollo Oromo and Amhara) capitalized on the opportunity. That's when Menelik presented himself as the new Emperor of Abyssinia and he got help from the West.

By this time he decided to give the former elites (Tigrayan nobility) to the Italians in order to weaken them and that's how "Eritrea" came about".

Most of the Eritrean Muslims have their grandfathers as Christians and if you ask them to go back to 3 or 4 generations they have pure Tigrayan names such as Gabre, Yohannes, Kebrom...

He further isolated other Tigrayan nobility in the process and Haile just carried on from there and later Mengistu was forced to go into full blown out war with all Tigrayans (both Abay Tigray) and Eritrea (most Eritrean muslims such as Beja, Tigre, Bilen) are themselves Tigrayans. Even some say the Jaberti is too. The only ones that are not Habesha are the Rashaida, Bin Amir and few other Arab ones who either crossed over from Sudan or Yemen.

Abdikarim,

But how did the Somaliland government deport the Oromos last year? I mean if they have assimilated with the clans of Somaliland how can people tell? and kick them? This is very interesting. Oromo's are really land-grabbing Somali lands let it be Somaliland or Soomali Galbeed.

Hawdian wrote:BuuloXubeey,

Thanks for bringing such subject to light but your understanding of Oromo is what the average Somalis sees as Oromo. Abdikarim is spot on. Those tribes are lost Dir clans whom half of them assimilated into Eastern Oromo and these groups introduced our genes to them but the real Oromo are as far as Bantu genes are to Somali genes.

Even the Oromo will tell you their thousands of different groups hardly share anything in common and your talking about Somalis sharing something in common with 36 million Oromo.

The Oromo that we know are no more than 8-10 million if not less and its those that are close to us thanks to Dir clans who crossbred into them. Remember the Dir clans lived this land for thousands of years and even Diredawa is named after them Dir'dawa, the city of Dir.

The Oromo in Hargeisa are mainly Akisho, Jarso, Garri and Gurgura and some Arsi. But there are no Wollo, Karrayyu, ltu, Ala, Qaiioo, Anniyya, Tummugga Orma, Akkichuu, Liban, Jile, Gofa, Sidamo, Sooddo, Galaan or even the Gujii.

What's in Hargeisa and Jijiga are just lost Dir clans.

Also you said Aksum was Amhara. Not true. Aksum was dominated by the Tigray house of Solomons and some of the mixed (Amhara/Oromo) Shewans. The Tigray only lost power in the 19th century when Emperor Yohannes IV (Tigray) was killed by a Beja Muslim (now Eritreans) man when Yohannes IV decided to aid the British against the Mahdi of Sudan. Until this day, the Muslim Eritreans and the Habesha got along well and Aksum was dominated by Eritrean Tigrayans (Tigrayan nobility). The Tigray of Ethiopia were working class for the Eritrean Habesha elites and this is where the hate began...now the table turnned and the Eritreans couldn't swallow that they former workers now wanted to rule and dominate their lives.

The mistake Yohannes IV made was he did not have a heir (son) and even though he had illegitimate son he used to deny it was his. He used to claim that was his niece. When he was in his death bed, he named him as the successor and the Tigrayan elites rejected him. So war broke out between the Tigrayans and the Shewans capitalized on the opportunity. That's when Menelik presented himself as the new Emperor of Abyssinia and he got help from the West.

Woow, your knowledge of Ethiopia is great. So these Oromos in Hargesya are really Somalis then. (Lost Dir) Tell me about the Borana. I know the Borana used to inhabit Southern Somalia, particulary Gedo and Bakool region. They were kicked during the Marehan and other Somali clans movement to Southern Somalia.

BuuloXubeey wrote:Abdikarim,

But how did the Somaliland government deport the Oromos last year? I mean if they have assimilated with the clans of Somaliland how can people tell? and kick them? This is very interesting. Oromo's are really land-grabbing Somali lands let it be Somaliland or Soomali Galbeed.

What assimilation?

Oromos haven't lived in hargeysa long enough to assimilate, only from
the 90s onwards have they lived in Hargeysa.

The partially oromised Somali clans originate west of Jigjiga and north of it,
These ones are usually successful in blending in ...the others not so much (there aren't much
"real" oromos in hargeysa anyway)

abdikarim86 wrote:

BuuloXubeey wrote:Abdikarim,

But how did the Somaliland government deport the Oromos last year? I mean if they have assimilated with the clans of Somaliland how can people tell? and kick them? This is very interesting. Oromo's are really land-grabbing Somali lands let it be Somaliland or Soomali Galbeed.

What assimilation?

Oromos haven't lived in hargeysa long enough to assimilate, only from
the 90s onwards have they lived in Hargeysa.

The partially oromised Somali clans originate west of Jigjiga and north of it,
These ones are usually successful in blending in ...the others not so much (there aren't much
"real" oromos in hargeysa anyway)

I'm confused between you and Hawdian. Your stating that there are Oromos that have been Somalinised and Hawdian is saying that there are Somalis (lost Dir) that have Oromonised. That is what you have stated in your previous comment. But now you have changed it into Oromised Somali clans. So thanks for clearing it up now.

Still though throughout history we hear of Oromo groups assimilating to Somali clans but not vice versa. This is first time I'm hearing from this scenario from you guys. Because I always thought Oromos like Akhiso were real oromos that have assimilated to Somali clans specially, Somali clans in Ethiopia and Somaliland.

I made myself clear, I said partially oromised Somalis.
is yeel yeelka iska daa

abdikarim86 wrote:I made myself clear, I said partially oromised Somalis.
is yeel yeelka iska daa

ok cool

Akisho, Gurgura, Jarso and Gare are Somali. Some are more Oromonized than others. You will see some Jarso, some speak full on Oromo and others speak full on Somali. I recently met two and they were cousins. One is Somali Jarso and the other is Jarso Oromo (Wara Jarso) and they laugh about it hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Funny shyt.

The Somali Jarso speaks both languages but the Oromo one only speaks Oromo and Amharic.

Being and becoming Oromo: historical and anthropological enquiries By Paul Trevor William Baxter, Jan Hultin, Alessandro Triulzi

Mogaasa- Oromo name-giving or adoption ceremony in where forigne groups (like Somali Jarso) who were conquered were made into gosa (lineage or tribe) of the Oromo and became assimilated into oromo Society. Magaase Ceremony included prayers, and taking a binding oath and one becaming a child of Gossa or lineage and hence Ilmaan Oromo

Class, State and Power in Africa: a case study of the Kingdom of Shäwa ... By Svein Ege


Wara Jarso is one of the 180 woredas in the Oromia Region of Ethiopia.
The Barley-Oat Farming Systems of Grar Jarso. Major elders Abba Jarsa or Jarsa Biyya

Gerar Jarso is one of the 180 woredas in the Oromia Region of Ethiopia. Part of the Semien Shewa Zone, Gerar Jarso is bordered on the south by Yaya Gulelena Debre Liban, on the west by Degem, and on the east by the Amhara Region. The major town in Gerar Jarso is Fiche.

Hawecha: a woman for all time - Page 35

Jaarso waa qabiil soomaaliyeed kana mid ah bahwaynta Direed , qabiilka jaarso wuxuu ka mid yahay beelaha soomaaliyeed ee ku nool Ethiopia kuwa ugu badan dad ahaan iyo dhul ahaanba.

Umada Jaarso waa umad taariikh wayn ku leh Geeska Afrika waana qabiilkii soomaaliyeed ee ugu hor yeeshay boqortooyo maamuli jirtay in badan oo ka mid ah wadanka Ethiopian Waxaana la odhan jiray JAASRO SULTANATE boqortooyadani waxay kulmin jirtay oo hoos imaan jiray iyaguna dhawr boqortooyo oo caanka ah Geeska Afrika ilaa hadana taariikhdooda lagu barto kuliyadaha,jaamacadaha iyo schoolada wadanka Ethiopia waxaana ka mid ahayd boqortooyadii waynayd ee la odhan jiray SULTANATE OF DAWARO ( Dawaro waa jilib ka mid ah Beel waynta Jaarso ).

Hawdian, This seems interesting. Cause I recently heard stories where there are many Oromos that live in Sidamo border between Liibaan region of Somali Galbeed that started to claim being Marehan and Facaye which are Sade clans. No joke wallahi, even during the war between Marehan and Degodiye in Suufka area of Ethiopia the Oromos over there started to help the Marehans whereas the Borana where aiding the Degoodiye. Also there are many Somalis in Harar city that now call themselves Harari and lost their Somali roots. Not all these Oromised Somalis are Dir some are Daarood, Hawiye etc.

Also regards to Garre, from my region in Gedo we see them as two types. The Somali Garre that live in NFD and parts of Ceelwaaq district of Gedo and the Oromo Garre that live in Liibaan region of Ethiopia. Those Garre in Ethiopia are totally different to the Garre that live in NFD. The Garre in Ethiopia do not even consider themselves as Somalis. When fights happens in Liibaan region of Ethiopia the Garre ally with the Borana and the Marehan and Degoodiye become allies. Borana and Garre are very similar, however Murrule are similar to Somalis specially Ajuuraans and Degoodiye. It's funny how Murrule, Degoodiye and Ajuuraan have left Somalia at the same time into NFD and Ethiopia.

^ Are you sure garre align with the borana?
Because you always here the boranas and garre
clashing over Moyale.

It doesn't make sense why would they align with
pagan oromos.

Hawdian wrote:BuuloXubeey,

Thanks for bringing such subject to light but your understanding of Oromo is what the average Somalis sees as Oromo. Abdikarim is spot on. Those tribes are lost Dir clans whom half of them assimilated into Eastern Oromo and these groups introduced our genes to them but the real Oromo are as far as Bantu genes are to Somali genes.

Even the Oromo will tell you their thousands of different groups hardly share anything in common and your talking about Somalis sharing something in common with 36 million Oromo.

The Oromo that we know are no more than 8-10 million if not less and its those that are close to us thanks to Dir clans who crossbred into them. Remember the Dir clans lived this land for thousands of years and even Diredawa is named after them Dir'dawa, the city of Dir.

The Oromo in Hargeisa are mainly Akisho, Jarso, Garri and Gurgura and some Arsi. But there are no Wollo, Karrayyu, ltu, Ala, Qaiioo, Anniyya, Tummugga Orma, Akkichuu, Liban, Jile, Gofa, Sidamo, Sooddo, Galaan or even the Gujii.

What's in Hargeisa and Jijiga are just lost Dir clans.

Also you said Aksum was Amhara. Not true. Aksum was dominated by the Tigray house of Solomons and some of the mixed (Amhara/Oromo) Shewans. The Tigray only lost power in the 19th century when Emperor Yohannes IV (Tigray) was killed by a Beja Muslim (now Eritreans) man when Yohannes IV decided to aid the British against the Mahdi of Sudan. Until this day, the Muslim Eritreans and the Habesha got along well and Aksum was dominated by Eritrean Tigrayans (Tigrayan nobility). The Tigray of Ethiopia were working class for the Eritrean Habesha elites and this is where the hate began...now the table turnned and the Eritreans couldn't swallow that they former workers now wanted to rule and dominate their lives.

The mistake Yohannes IV made was he did not have a heir (son) and even though he had illegitimate son he used to deny it was his. He used to claim that was his niece. When he was in his death bed, he named him as the successor and the Tigrayan elites rejected him. So war broke out between the Tigrayans. They basically became like present day Somalis, many warlords, too many rulers. The Shewans (assimilated Wollo Oromo and Amhara) capitalized on the opportunity. That's when Menelik presented himself as the new Emperor of Abyssinia and he got help from the West.

By this time he decided to give the former elites (Tigrayan nobility) to the Italians in order to weaken them and that's how "Eritrea" came about".

Most of the Eritrean Muslims have their grandfathers as Christians and if you ask them to go back to 3 or 4 generations they have pure Tigrayan names such as Gabre, Yohannes, Kebrom...

He further isolated other Tigrayan nobility in the process and Haile just carried on from there and later Mengistu was forced to go into full blown out war with all Tigrayans (both Abay Tigray) and Eritrea (most Eritrean muslims such as Beja, Tigre, Bilen) are themselves Tigrayans. Even some say the Jaberti is too. The only ones that are not Habesha are the Rashaida, Bin Amir and few other Arab ones who either crossed over from Sudan or Yemen.

You know Akichu is the Oromo name for Akisho right?

Hawdian wrote:BuuloXubeey,

Thanks for bringing such subject to light but your understanding of Oromo is what the average Somalis sees as Oromo. Abdikarim is spot on. Those tribes are lost Dir clans whom half of them assimilated into Eastern Oromo and these groups introduced our genes to them but the real Oromo are as far as Bantu genes are to Somali genes.

Even the Oromo will tell you their thousands of different groups hardly share anything in common and your talking about Somalis sharing something in common with 36 million Oromo.

The Oromo that we know are no more than 8-10 million if not less and its those that are close to us thanks to Dir clans who crossbred into them. Remember the Dir clans lived this land for thousands of years and even Diredawa is named after them Dir'dawa, the city of Dir.

The Oromo in Hargeisa are mainly Akisho, Jarso, Garri and Gurgura and some Arsi. But there are no Wollo, Karrayyu, ltu, Ala, Qaiioo, Anniyya, Tummugga Orma,Akkichuu, Liban, Jile, Gofa, Sidamo, Sooddo, Galaan or even the Gujii.

What's in Hargeisa and Jijiga are just lost Dir clans.

Also you said Aksum was Amhara. Not true. Aksum was dominated by the Tigray house of Solomons and some of the mixed (Amhara/Oromo) Shewans. The Tigray only lost power in the 19th century when Emperor Yohannes IV (Tigray) was killed by a Beja Muslim (now Eritreans) man when Yohannes IV decided to aid the British against the Mahdi of Sudan. Until this day, the Muslim Eritreans and the Habesha got along well and Aksum was dominated by Eritrean Tigrayans (Tigrayan nobility). The Tigray of Ethiopia were working class for the Eritrean Habesha elites and this is where the hate began...now the table turnned and the Eritreans couldn't swallow that they former workers now wanted to rule and dominate their lives.

The mistake Yohannes IV made was he did not have a heir (son) and even though he had illegitimate son he used to deny it was his. He used to claim that was his niece. When he was in his death bed, he named him as the successor and the Tigrayan elites rejected him. So war broke out between the Tigrayans. They basically became like present day Somalis, many warlords, too many rulers. The Shewans (assimilated Wollo Oromo and Amhara) capitalized on the opportunity. That's when Menelik presented himself as the new Emperor of Abyssinia and he got help from the West.

By this time he decided to give the former elites (Tigrayan nobility) to the Italians in order to weaken them and that's how "Eritrea" came about".

Most of the Eritrean Muslims have their grandfathers as Christians and if you ask them to go back to 3 or 4 generations they have pure Tigrayan names such as Gabre, Yohannes, Kebrom...

He further isolated other Tigrayan nobility in the process and Haile just carried on from there and later Mengistu was forced to go into full blown out war with all Tigrayans (both Abay Tigray) and Eritrea (most Eritrean muslims such as Beja, Tigre, Bilen) are themselves Tigrayans. Even some say the Jaberti is too. The only ones that are not Habesha are the Rashaida, Bin Amir and few other Arab ones who either crossed over from Sudan or Yemen.

As you know, those clans are not oromo, stop your bigot.

And what do you mean by Bantu?

Oromos don't look bantu!

Karrayyu,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41622708@N ... MGU-bBgCR7


Wallo,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41622708@N ... uu6-9bvv1K

Afran Qallo,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40279823@N ... fdW-7U33br


Borana,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41622708@N ... XWu-dHX1Hb

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32112848@N ... FzT-a7KJ6Z


Tell me where you see bantus?

^ The Wallo, Afran Qallo and Borana men look 100% Somali to me.

Hawdian wrote:
The Oromo in Hargeisa are mainly Akisho, Jarso, Garri and Gurgura and some Arsi. But there are no Wollo, Karrayyu, ltu, Ala, Qaiioo, Anniyya, Tummugga Orma, Akkichuu, Liban, Jile, Gofa, Sidamo, Sooddo, Galaan or even the Gujii.

What's in Hargeisa and Jijiga are just lost Dir clans.

Since when did Geri become Oromo?