Abdi Johnson

[LeJusticier]

I never have problem with atheists but legalizing Sodom I will endorse when the pigs fly.

[Talo alle udaa]

Slave of Johnson, if you base your atheism on why Somalis have failed, then you are indeed short sighted. The success of nations, communities, tribes, call what ever you want is more dictated by their culture, work ethics, and in that environment do you see differences in nations.

Tell me, what has stopped Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia from becoming an industrialized nation?

This same question can be posed from different angles. Why did Germany after the fall of the Berlin wall ascend to it's current status so quickly? how did it in 30 years become the sole economic powerhouse of Europe, Is it Religion, Secularism? Surely people will speak highly of "German work ethic" etc.

Every angle you look it your conclusion that somehow Islam is hampering the enlightenment of the Somali race is absurd. If you read the history of the Somali people closely, you will see the short time we had a government in our history (~50 years) was really the anomaly and that war driven by rivalry and competition for resources was the norm.

[GeoSeven]

^^^

Btw, acceptance of homosexuality has nothing to do with religion. It's a question of ethical and moral standards. Even irreligious Muslims will use Islam to justify their abhorrence of homosexuality but the truth is, they just find it repulsive and unnatural for their own reasons regardless of religion.

[AbdiJohnson]

Phff, if atheists and agnostics were at the helm, do you really think Somalia would be in its sad situation today?

Asides from work ethics, nothing else plays a part but religion. Religion corrupts the soul. Atheists and agnostics do not fight over resources. They share it amongst themselves no matter how small their pie is. We value life and strive to make it better for our kids and grandkids. You people strive for Paradise which is why Somalia is a shit hole. You don't seek to improve Somalia for the generations after you. Its rob and steal to fill your bellies today and strive for Paradise tomorrow. You have no plan for Somalia. You will never have a plan. Religious people are individualists. They don't think about their collective communities. If you people continue leading Somalia, Somalia will be the same 500 years from now. Dunya is just a test for you. People starving, people dying of illnesses, is all according to you a test from God which is why you don't work as hard as the irreligious to find solutions to these problems. Everything to you people is Gods will. Somalia being in non stop war and poverty is Gods will. You accept it

This is why Muslim countries apart from the ones sitting on oil are poor whereas basically almost all irreligious countries with or without resources are prosperous. Even Nigeria sitting on oil is poor.

I am,

Abdi "Religions keep us back" Johnson

[GeoSeven]

Religion corrupts the soul?...there's no evidence for the existence of a soul, so how do you even believe in a soul if you're an atheist/agnostic

Somalia's problems are due to negative culture or any other reason for that matter besides religion. Islam commands to strive in this world and the hereafter, it encourages societal progression which is why medieval Islam pioneered in medics, science...lets just say that just about everything they did was considered to have been the pinnacle of human achievement at the time. Religion tells you to not kill, not steal, not lie etc etc; all the ground rules and more for a civilized and progressive society. You shouldn't equate the actions of culturally crazed nomads to religious credo.

[Alphanumeric]

Atheists and agnostics do not fight over resources.

Chinese died by the millions during the rise of communism. Japan murdered millions during ww2. The two countries have been in a state of war for over 100 years. Also, you sound rather bitter

[AbdiJohnson]

Maybe I am, Alpha. Maybe I am

I am,

Abdi "No, I'm not" Johnson

[Hyperactive]

it's all to do with your own cultural experiences and pain inside you than anything to do with religion.

hope one day you feel internal peace and move on from whatever holding you back.

[FAH1223]

Phff, if atheists and agnostics were at the helm, do you really think Somalia would be in its sad situation today?

Asides from work ethics, nothing else plays a part but religion. Religion corrupts the soul. Atheists and agnostics do not fight over resources. They share it amongst themselves no matter how small their pie is. We value life and strive to make it better for our kids and grandkids. You people strive for Paradise which is why Somalia is a shit hole. You don't seek to improve Somalia for the generations after you. Its rob and steal to fill your bellies today and strive for Paradise tomorrow. You have no plan for Somalia. You will never have a plan. Religious people are individualists. They don't think about their collective communities. If you people continue leading Somalia, Somalia will be the same 500 years from now. Dunya is just a test for you. People starving, people dying of illnesses, is all according to you a test from God which is why you don't work as hard as the irreligious to find solutions to these problems. Everything to you people is Gods will. Somalia being in non stop war and poverty is Gods will. You accept it

This is why Muslim countries apart from the ones sitting on oil are poor whereas basically almost all irreligious countries with or without resources are prosperous. Even Nigeria sitting on oil is poor.

I am,

Abdi "Religions keep us back" Johnson

Wow, what a spin you have created there buddy. Somalis whether atheist or not have historically been loyal to one thing and that is their qabil. Somalis whether Muslim or not would still be fighting over scarce resources amongst each others in the harsh environment.

Your problem is with the so called religious people who you have seen are hypocritical. But unfortunately you have confused these people with the religion they claim to be following. Your perceptions must have been screwed when you were younger and now automatically hate anything associated with Islam.

I'd argue that not following Islam is taking Muslims backwards and that is what you see in the Muslim world today. Niggas act like animals and savages... under some false banner of Islam. It doesn't take one to know that they are intellectually handicapped and it isn't from religion, it's from their upbringing, their environment.

Also, The USSR was an atheist marxist state that effectively banned religion.

[Arabman]

Atheists execute people for owning a Bible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11 ... _hp_ref=uk

[BuuloXubeey]

Abdi Johnson,

Your discussion is totally farce and holds no historic evidence, scientific facts or any type of experimental facts whatsoever.

Do not confuse yourself over Muslims and Islam. Muslims are human beings just like atheist. Both have their own faults.

Al-Shabaab, Al-Qeada, Boko-Haram and all these countless so-called religious groups are not Islam. They are humans

Just like Hitler that created Nazism under secular ideology was a human.

Nobody is perfect in this world. But to say religion is the cause of destruction and underdevelopment then that is just total bollocks. That holds no ground.

Yes, Athiest might love worldly things compared to people that follow religions. That is just purely because atheist do not believe in after-life so they try their best to enjoy the world and living the best life. Whereas a person that follows the main religions believe in after-life so they do not tend to live up to to worldly things.

My Somali brother, I sincerely hope you return to the faith of Islam. (Not that I'm calling you a non-Muslim but you come across it on your posts, I'm always against calling a person murtad without concrete evidence).

[Beenaale_No1]

Would you guys rather Somalia be a liberal progressive socially advanced nation like Finland or Netherlands, or would you rather it be an Islamic state run strictly by Shariah Laws.

We all know what you want.

[Jam Street]

Lol aduunka waxa ugu daran qaniis beenloow kusii darsaday.

Hey faggot - suppose you buy a brand new TV or furniture, and it is the first time your blind faggot eyes have seen anything like it. You are a complete moron who doesn't know how to put them together and make it work. But luckily there is a manual instruction guide with it that illustrates exactly what your dumb faggot a$$ need to do to make it work.

On the other hand you have one or two of your faggot friends like the motherfocker named Holland. They are somewhat like smart machines that can communicate with you. These machines are made by the same individual whom you purchased the furniture from. Before you check the instruction guide your friends tell you, "let's just play with it and find out what looks good". Bear in mind they are like you and have no idea how it is going to work.

Would you follow the easy to follow instructions that came with your new purchase or would follow the dumb tools that were made by the same person who made your purchase?

Today if you make a shirt, what is the likelihood that someday that same shirt will be more knowledgeable than your dumb faggot self?

[Beenaale_No1]

^ A lot of venom and profanity but very little substance or logic.

I am not aware of any swear word or other derogatory phrase in my current vocabulary which comes close to a description of your intelligence (and I use that term loosely) but let me just say that you & people like you have collectively reached a level of inadequacy and ineptitude that neither I nor modern science had previously considered possible.

But nevermind, go ahead and call me a faggot for the 100th time.

[FAH1223]

Would you guys rather Somalia be a liberal progressive socially advanced nation like Finland or Netherlands, or would you rather it be an Islamic state run strictly by Shariah Laws.

We all know what you want.

There's no "Islamic" State in the entire world.

Somalia needs to be a country governed by laws and respect for human dignity after decades of war. The Sharia is a legitimate source of legislation and a lot of customs are already compatible with the Sharia.