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[Even123]

Gurey.....Just like in S/L, H.Sheikh has no power over P/L, except nominal federal authority.
Federalism is the internationally agreed remedy for Somalia. Whether it came from P/L or the garbage can it`s here to stay.

Tell me about the "talks" and what you believe will be their final outcome.

The outcome will be the inevitable power-sharing deal based on federalism, all present facts on the ground states that

[HooBariiska]

dam jidid? ?? is that a qabiil or location? ?

[Hodan94]

^^^
its a political party I think...I don't know where they get those retarded names from.

[samatar133]

One of the expected outcomes of the December talks between the two Sides will be the official acknowledgement of Somaliland's historic border. Previous talks did not achieve to define the borders of the negotiating sides clearly. This time they will and any future talks will be based on those defined borders. At the end we hope that Somalia come to its senses and agree to our proposal for internationally observed referendum in Somaliland to settle the issue of unity or separation.

[original dervish]

There won`t be a referendum in our lifetimes.

What the iidoor need to understand is that the southerners have absolutely nothing to lose, as they don`t control the northern part of the country.
They have nominal political authority over the airspace, maritime waters and all natural resources.
What this is, in effect, is a De Facto veto over S/L development.

Nobody can exploit S/L resources without the say so of the southerners.
If they do it will leave them open to litigation. This is the real reason Gentel packed up and left.

The Southerners hold all the cards....while S/L has none.

[samatar133]

There won`t be a referendum in our lifetimes.

What the iidoor need to understand is that the southerners have absolutely nothing to lose, as they don`t control the northern part of the country.
They have nominal political authority over the airspace, maritime waters and all natural resources.
What this is, in effect, is a De Facto veto over S/L development.

Nobody can exploit S/L resources without the say so of the southerners.
If they do it will leave them open to litigation. This is the real reason Gentel packed up and left.

The Southerners hold all the cards....while S/L has none.

Original, you are a Somalilander who does not agree on separation issue. You are the least of our problems because we know you better than yourself .
Don't worry about Konfuria too, we are perfecting strategies to deal with them and ultimately cause them agree on our proposals.

[Even123]

There won`t be a referendum in our lifetimes.

What the iidoor need to understand is that the southerners have absolutely nothing to lose, as they don`t control the northern part of the country.
They have nominal political authority over the airspace, maritime waters and all natural resources.
What this is, in effect, is a De Facto veto over S/L development.

Nobody can exploit S/L resources without the say so of the southerners.
If they do it will leave them open to litigation. This is the real reason Gentel packed up and left.

The Southerners hold all the cards....while S/L has none.

brother, your 100% right, but the question that remains open is, will they understand and comprehend these simple well put words?

[sahal80]

One of the expected outcomes of the December talks between the two Sides will be the official acknowledgement of Somaliland's historic border. Previous talks did not achieve to define the borders of the negotiating sides clearly. This time they will and any future talks will be based on those defined borders. At the end we hope that Somalia come to its senses and agree to our proposal for internationally observed referendum in Somaliland to settle the issue of unity or separation.

Every thing will be based on compromise so if you have some points in your list the other has his own points

As for acknoledging your historical border I don't think the otherside will agree on this geographically but they are already recognizing it politically

The otherside is talking about a free movements between the politicians of the two sides in order to encourage more politicians to take this direction wich is a great tactics

It seems the somali interior is going to repeat with your side to form again a committee for the airspace as some somaliland official stated this lately but again this file is with the somali aviation minister.

[BuuloXubeey]

One of the expected outcomes of the December talks between the two Sides will be the official acknowledgement of Somaliland's historic border. Previous talks did not achieve to define the borders of the negotiating sides clearly. This time they will and any future talks will be based on those defined borders. At the end we hope that Somalia come to its senses and agree to our proposal for internationally observed referendum in Somaliland to settle the issue of unity or separation.

Historic border? The one that was created in Berlin for European colonisation of the horn of Africa? U seriously call that historic? If u want real historic border stick to where ur clan lives and stop claiming other clan's land.

British Somaliland kaga was. kuye historic border, wuxu niin cadaan subiye ayay maanta inaga waramayaan, allow ceebteena astur

[HooBariiska]

xaawoxuubeey did you find out if the singer hibaaq is mareexan or not? ? reer diini right?

[Khalid Ali]

One of the expected outcomes of the December talks between the two Sides will be the official acknowledgement of Somaliland's historic border. Previous talks did not achieve to define the borders of the negotiating sides clearly. This time they will and any future talks will be based on those defined borders. At the end we hope that Somalia come to its senses and agree to our proposal for internationally observed referendum in Somaliland to settle the issue of unity or separation.

Every thing will be based on compromise so if you have some points in your list the other has his own points

As for acknoledging your historical border I don't think the otherside will agree on this geographically but they are already recognizing it politically

The otherside is talking about a free movements between the politicians of the two sides in order to encourage more politicians to take this direction wich is a great tactics

It seems the somali interior is going to repeat with your side to form again a committee for the airspace as some somaliland official stated this lately but again this file is with the somali aviation minister.

Sahal the talks will end in a dead lock and eventually collapse with out proper mediation they will not reach a settlement Somalia has little space when it comes to Somaliland and for somaliland it has so little space to come to an agreement.

If the southerners want politicians from somalia to be allowed in Somaliland they need to concede much more on their side
The 2 sides to restore relations
Somalia to given a chance to promote unionism inside Somaliland with the consent of Somaliland and allowed to go there and hold rallies gatherings
Somaliland to allow to hold UN supervised referendum on independence in 5 years time.
While the 2 sides keep their respectable governments.

I think other than that the 2 cannot agree.

I think that is a fair compromise

[original dervish]

There is no southern politician/leader whom will allow a referendum in northern Somalia....whatever they may say.
P/L will demand a referendum followed by J/Land.

"Because we were once colonised by the British", is not enough.
If one tribal region is allowed to secede then the precedent has been set for other tribal regions to follow.

[Khalid Ali]

There is no southern politician/leader whom will allow a referendum in northern Somalia....whatever they may say.
P/L will demand a referendum followed by J/Land.

"Because we were once colonised by the British", is not enough.
If one tribal region is allowed to secede then the precedent has been set for other tribal regions to follow.

Do puntland and Jubbaland have independence aspirations i doubt they want that why not give them to we know they will vote for a union to remain intact

Original dervish once there is mediation trust me a referendum will happpen the question is under what time span it will be used as a compramise , when Somaliland says we are independent state and the southerns say no there is no independence with out our approval and consent. So as a compramise this will be brought and they have to agree to it. because there is no other way. the southerners will get a chance to promote unionism in Somaliland as a compramise and SL will be given an Independence referendum in a few years time that is when the talks reach a dead end. Puntland does not want independence it has nothing to do with british the britsh are gone the people of SL want independence. I doubt Puntlanders want to leave even if faroole wants it the vast majority of the puntlanders love Somalias unity so they will never leave it.

[SultanOrder]

@ Historic Border

[outlaw112]

There is no southern politician/leader whom will allow a referendum in northern Somalia....whatever they may say.
P/L will demand a referendum followed by J/Land.

"Because we were once colonised by the British", is not enough.
If one tribal region is allowed to secede then the precedent has been set for other tribal regions to follow.

Do puntland and Jubbaland have independence aspirations i doubt they want that why not give them to we know they will vote for a union to remain intact

Original dervish once there is mediation trust me a referendum will happpen the question is under what time span it will be used as a compramise , when Somaliland says we are independent state and the southerns say no there is no independence with out our approval and consent. So as a compramise this will be brought and they have to agree to it. because there is no other way. the southerners will get a chance to promote unionism in Somaliland as a compramise and SL will be given an Independence referendum in a few years time that is when the talks reach a dead end. Puntland does not want independence it has nothing to do with british the britsh are gone the people of SL want independence. I doubt Puntlanders want to leave even if faroole wants it the vast majority of the puntlanders love Somalias unity so they will never leave it.

you don't know what we want why don't you just stick to speaking for your own.