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so which one of the 70 plus sects is the right one? Your posts did not answer that.
Why all these sects all of a sudden.
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[quote="*Proud_Muslimah*"]Peace,
Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, you would have seen if you HAVE read my post![/quote]
Who are this group? Definately a sect not worthy mentioning them in Ramadan. Read it for yourself.
"Cleric in struggle for power"
"A Melbourne Muslim cleric once accused of having terrorist links has been drawn into a bitter struggle in the Muslim community over his group's growing influence................Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah was founded in the late 1980s." Found in the 1980's? Your typical sect.
Read the rest of the article below:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/ ... m=storylhs
Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, you would have seen if you HAVE read my post![/quote]
Who are this group? Definately a sect not worthy mentioning them in Ramadan. Read it for yourself.
"Cleric in struggle for power"
"A Melbourne Muslim cleric once accused of having terrorist links has been drawn into a bitter struggle in the Muslim community over his group's growing influence................Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah was founded in the late 1980s." Found in the 1980's? Your typical sect.
Read the rest of the article below:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/ ... m=storylhs
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The Path of Ahl As-Sunnah Wal-Jama'ah and Brotherhood Among Muslims
[Excerpt from the book 'Aqeedatu Waasitiyah'* (Creed of the Middle Path) by Ibn Taymiyyah]
The path of the people of the Sunnah and the Jama'ah is following the Prophet's Tradition both inwardly and outwardly, and following the foot- steps of the early Muslims, both the Muhajirun (Emigrants) and the Ansar (Helpers), and following the Prophet's recommendation: "Hold on to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly Guided Caliphs after me. Hold on to it firmly. And beware of heretical innovations (Bid'ah) because each heretical innovation (Bid'ah) is a falsehood and each false- hood is a deviation from the right path." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi who said it is a good and sound hadith, and Ibn Majah)
The people of the Sunnah know that the most truthful words are Allah's Words over the words of all people, and they put the guidance of Muhammad (peace be upon him) ahead of the guidance of all people. Because of all this they are called the People of the Book and the Sunnah. They are called the People of the Community because community means unity and its opposite is disunity.
The term Jama'ah became a name for the unified people themselves and al-Ijma' (consensus) is the third pillar on which people depend for 'ilm (knowledge) and din (faith).
By these three pillars (Qur'an, Sunnah, and Ijma') is measured all that people follow of inward or outward words and acts which have any relation to din (faith) and to the controlled ijma' of the righteous ancestors since after them the disagreement increased, and the 'Ummah dispersed.
Brotherhood Among Muslims
By these fundamentals, then, they bid good deeds and forbid objectionable deeds in accordance with what the Shari'ah ordains. And they believe in practicing Hajj (pilgrimage) and Jihad (struggle for the cause of Allah), in attending Friday communal prayers and the holidays with the leaders, be they pious or wicked, and in observing the community prayers. They believe in advising the 'Ummah, and they indoctrinate themselves with the Prophet's saying: "A believer is for a believer just as all the parts of an edifice support each other." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
The Prophet (peace be upon him) intermixed his fingers while saying this.
And [they indoctrinate themselves with] the saying of [the Prophet] (peace be upon him): "The example of the believers in their affection and compassion and benevolence is like the body; If one part of it becomes ill the whole body comes to its aid with fever and sleeplessness." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
[Ahl as-Sunnah] bid people persevere when calamity strikes, and are thankful in the time of life's ease, and are accepting in the fulfillment of Allah's Irreversible Decree. They call on people to practice noble manners and good deeds, and to indoctrinate themselves with the Prophet's saying: "A perfect faith belongs to a believer with good manners." (Reported by Ibn Hanbal and at-Tirmidhi who said it is good and sound hadith)
[Ahl as-Sunnah] urge people to mend the relations with those who have broken with them, to give to those who have deprived them, and to forgive those who have done injustice to them. They order people to keep filial piety, to be good to other relatives, to be good neighbors, to treat orphans, wayfarers and the poor kindly and to be gentle and humane to the slave. They forbid bragging, arrogance and transgression. They prevent people from feeling superior over others, rightly or wrongly. And they bid people use high manners and prohibit them from pursuing trifles. All that they say or do of the above, or of other than it, in all of it they follow the Book (The Qur'an) and the Sunnah. Their "path" is the religion of Islam, for which Allah sent Muhammad (peace be upon him).
But for all this, the Prophet (peace be upon him) foretold: "That his 'Ummah will split into seventy-three factions, all of them in Hell except one: The Jama'ah (the Community)." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)
And (the Prophet) (peace be upon him) said in another hadith: "They are those who will follow what I am and what my companions are today." (at-Tirmidhi)
Those referred to in this saying, those who hold firmly to pure, unadulterated Islam, became the people of the Sunnah and the Jama'ah. Amongst them are the Siddiqs, the martyrs, the righteous, included in them are the cairns of guidance, the lamps for darkness, the masters of memorable merits, the ever-remembered virtues; Among them are the Abdal 1 the Imams about whose judgment and understanding all Muslims agree. These are the victorious ones about whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "A group of my 'Ummah will continue to follow the truth prominently. Whoever betrays them or opposes them can never harm them to the Day of Judgment." (al-Bukhari and Muslim)
Thus, we ask Allah ,The Great "to make us part of them, and not to let our hearts swerve after He has guided us and to bestow on us Mercy from Him. Indeed, He is, The Generous. Allah knows best."
May Allah's many blessings and greetings be upon Muhammad, his family, and his companions.
[Excerpt from the book 'Aqeedatu Waasitiyah'* (Creed of the Middle Path) by Ibn Taymiyyah]
The path of the people of the Sunnah and the Jama'ah is following the Prophet's Tradition both inwardly and outwardly, and following the foot- steps of the early Muslims, both the Muhajirun (Emigrants) and the Ansar (Helpers), and following the Prophet's recommendation: "Hold on to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly Guided Caliphs after me. Hold on to it firmly. And beware of heretical innovations (Bid'ah) because each heretical innovation (Bid'ah) is a falsehood and each false- hood is a deviation from the right path." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi who said it is a good and sound hadith, and Ibn Majah)
The people of the Sunnah know that the most truthful words are Allah's Words over the words of all people, and they put the guidance of Muhammad (peace be upon him) ahead of the guidance of all people. Because of all this they are called the People of the Book and the Sunnah. They are called the People of the Community because community means unity and its opposite is disunity.
The term Jama'ah became a name for the unified people themselves and al-Ijma' (consensus) is the third pillar on which people depend for 'ilm (knowledge) and din (faith).
By these three pillars (Qur'an, Sunnah, and Ijma') is measured all that people follow of inward or outward words and acts which have any relation to din (faith) and to the controlled ijma' of the righteous ancestors since after them the disagreement increased, and the 'Ummah dispersed.
Brotherhood Among Muslims
By these fundamentals, then, they bid good deeds and forbid objectionable deeds in accordance with what the Shari'ah ordains. And they believe in practicing Hajj (pilgrimage) and Jihad (struggle for the cause of Allah), in attending Friday communal prayers and the holidays with the leaders, be they pious or wicked, and in observing the community prayers. They believe in advising the 'Ummah, and they indoctrinate themselves with the Prophet's saying: "A believer is for a believer just as all the parts of an edifice support each other." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
The Prophet (peace be upon him) intermixed his fingers while saying this.
And [they indoctrinate themselves with] the saying of [the Prophet] (peace be upon him): "The example of the believers in their affection and compassion and benevolence is like the body; If one part of it becomes ill the whole body comes to its aid with fever and sleeplessness." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
[Ahl as-Sunnah] bid people persevere when calamity strikes, and are thankful in the time of life's ease, and are accepting in the fulfillment of Allah's Irreversible Decree. They call on people to practice noble manners and good deeds, and to indoctrinate themselves with the Prophet's saying: "A perfect faith belongs to a believer with good manners." (Reported by Ibn Hanbal and at-Tirmidhi who said it is good and sound hadith)
[Ahl as-Sunnah] urge people to mend the relations with those who have broken with them, to give to those who have deprived them, and to forgive those who have done injustice to them. They order people to keep filial piety, to be good to other relatives, to be good neighbors, to treat orphans, wayfarers and the poor kindly and to be gentle and humane to the slave. They forbid bragging, arrogance and transgression. They prevent people from feeling superior over others, rightly or wrongly. And they bid people use high manners and prohibit them from pursuing trifles. All that they say or do of the above, or of other than it, in all of it they follow the Book (The Qur'an) and the Sunnah. Their "path" is the religion of Islam, for which Allah sent Muhammad (peace be upon him).
But for all this, the Prophet (peace be upon him) foretold: "That his 'Ummah will split into seventy-three factions, all of them in Hell except one: The Jama'ah (the Community)." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)
And (the Prophet) (peace be upon him) said in another hadith: "They are those who will follow what I am and what my companions are today." (at-Tirmidhi)
Those referred to in this saying, those who hold firmly to pure, unadulterated Islam, became the people of the Sunnah and the Jama'ah. Amongst them are the Siddiqs, the martyrs, the righteous, included in them are the cairns of guidance, the lamps for darkness, the masters of memorable merits, the ever-remembered virtues; Among them are the Abdal 1 the Imams about whose judgment and understanding all Muslims agree. These are the victorious ones about whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "A group of my 'Ummah will continue to follow the truth prominently. Whoever betrays them or opposes them can never harm them to the Day of Judgment." (al-Bukhari and Muslim)
Thus, we ask Allah ,The Great "to make us part of them, and not to let our hearts swerve after He has guided us and to bestow on us Mercy from Him. Indeed, He is, The Generous. Allah knows best."
May Allah's many blessings and greetings be upon Muhammad, his family, and his companions.
[quote="*Proud_Muslimah*"]Peace,
Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, you would have seen if you HAVE read my post![/quote]
Salaam Proud
First, as a group of people who don't believe in mainstream Sunni path and the 4 schools of thought, let me say that your slogan, Ahl-us-Sunnah is misleading, and the correct term will be either "wahabi" or a "neo-neo salafi". How on earth could you make such a profound statement that your sect is the only saved Islamic sect? And while you are fasting, why do you imply that unlike you guys, the majority of Muslims, Sunnis, and others are heretics, the not so-saved ones? Then, how can we be brothers and sisters in Islam if you guys condemn the rest of us as non Muslim?
Please answer in your own words without resorting to cut and paste.
Ramadaan Karriim.
Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, you would have seen if you HAVE read my post![/quote]
Salaam Proud
First, as a group of people who don't believe in mainstream Sunni path and the 4 schools of thought, let me say that your slogan, Ahl-us-Sunnah is misleading, and the correct term will be either "wahabi" or a "neo-neo salafi". How on earth could you make such a profound statement that your sect is the only saved Islamic sect? And while you are fasting, why do you imply that unlike you guys, the majority of Muslims, Sunnis, and others are heretics, the not so-saved ones? Then, how can we be brothers and sisters in Islam if you guys condemn the rest of us as non Muslim?
Please answer in your own words without resorting to cut and paste.
Ramadaan Karriim.
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I believe that it's an innovation (Bid'ah) agianst Islam to say I am of such and such sect.
Allah (swt) Says: Inamal mu'minuuna ikhwatun fa aslixuu beyna akhaweykum..... can some1 then claim that they are from the Islaah sect as Allah ordered Sulh???.
......wa qul inanii minal Muslimiina
Say I am a Muslim.
Allah (swt) Says: Inamal mu'minuuna ikhwatun fa aslixuu beyna akhaweykum..... can some1 then claim that they are from the Islaah sect as Allah ordered Sulh???.
......wa qul inanii minal Muslimiina
Say I am a Muslim.
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I believe that it's an innovation (Bid'ah) agianst Islam to say I am of such and such sect.
Allah (swt) Says: Inamal mu'minuuna ikhwatun fa aslixuu beyna akhaweykum..... can some1 then claim that they are from the Islaah sect as Allah ordered Sulh???.
......wa qul inanii minal Muslimiina
Say I am a Muslim.[quote] Jamaal-23 i agree 100%
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Allah (swt) Says: Inamal mu'minuuna ikhwatun fa aslixuu beyna akhaweykum..... can some1 then claim that they are from the Islaah sect as Allah ordered Sulh???.
......wa qul inanii minal Muslimiina
Say I am a Muslim.[quote] Jamaal-23 i agree 100%
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Assalamu Alaikum,
The Law, the answer to your questions are very simple!
What's expected of a Muslim in Islam? To worship Allah (SWT) right? And what should a Muslim use in order to know how to worship Allah (SWT) (the manners of worship...etc)? The QUR'AN and SUNNAH of the Prophet (saw) right? How should a Muslim live his life daily? He/She should live their life according to what the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) teach right? Now the question is which out of these 73 sects follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
What you first need to do is study the Qur'an and Sunnah brother and then tell me whether-
Mahdavis ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=808 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)
The Khalifites (19ers or Submitters) ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=850 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Maturidiyyah ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=864 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Murji'ah ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=878 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
Sufism --> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1106 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
Khawarij ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=5481 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
Shee'ahs ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1114 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
The Ahmadiyya/Qadiani Movement ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=856 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
The Ash'ariyyah & Matrudiyyah ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=955 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Quranites ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1399 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Alawites ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=816 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
You don't have to be genius to figure out which sect TRULY follows the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)...you just need to use your common sense (lets just hope you have one!)
Salam
The Law, the answer to your questions are very simple!
What's expected of a Muslim in Islam? To worship Allah (SWT) right? And what should a Muslim use in order to know how to worship Allah (SWT) (the manners of worship...etc)? The QUR'AN and SUNNAH of the Prophet (saw) right? How should a Muslim live his life daily? He/She should live their life according to what the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) teach right? Now the question is which out of these 73 sects follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
What you first need to do is study the Qur'an and Sunnah brother and then tell me whether-
Mahdavis ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=808 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)
The Khalifites (19ers or Submitters) ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=850 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Maturidiyyah ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=864 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Murji'ah ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=878 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
Sufism --> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1106 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
Khawarij ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=5481 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
Shee'ahs ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1114 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
The Ahmadiyya/Qadiani Movement ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=856 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah?
The Ash'ariyyah & Matrudiyyah ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=955 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Quranites ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1399 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
The Alawites ---> http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=816 -follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)?
You don't have to be genius to figure out which sect TRULY follows the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)...you just need to use your common sense (lets just hope you have one!)
Salam
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Salaama Proud
Mad Mac asked you a question "which sect is saved,"? and you answered that your tiny salafi group led in Australia by Sheekh Omrani to be the saved sect. Don't the rest of Sunni-Muslims follow sunnah and Koraan? When did you convert to them? Do you consider your relatives who are not part of your sect to be heretics? You guys never cease to amaze me.
We are all Muslims and don't be an ignorant robot, therefore leave all judgements to Allah SWT.
Ramadan Kariim.
Mad Mac asked you a question "which sect is saved,"? and you answered that your tiny salafi group led in Australia by Sheekh Omrani to be the saved sect. Don't the rest of Sunni-Muslims follow sunnah and Koraan? When did you convert to them? Do you consider your relatives who are not part of your sect to be heretics? You guys never cease to amaze me.
We are all Muslims and don't be an ignorant robot, therefore leave all judgements to Allah SWT.
Ramadan Kariim.
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[quote="The Law26"]Salaama Proud
Mad Mac asked you a question "which sect is saved,"? and you answered that your tiny salafi group led in Australia by Sheekh Omrani to be the saved sect. Don't the rest of Sunni-Muslims follow sunnah and Koraan? When did you convert to them? Do you consider your relatives who are not part of your sect to be heretics? You guys never cease to amaze me.
We are all Muslims and don't be an ignorant robot, therefore leave all judgements to Allah SWT.
Ramadan Kariim.[/quote]
What the heck
Who the heck is shiekh Omrani? "Tiny" salafi? The majority of Muslims are Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah! I was an Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah! My cousins follow the Qur'an and Sunnah, hence are Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah!
Subhan'Allah!
May Allah (SWT) guide us all to the right path (Ameen)
"We are all Muslims and don't be an ignorant robot, therefore leave all judgements to Allah SWT"
I don't base my judgement on "ignorant" facts here (unlike you) but rather facts from the Qur'an and Sunnah!
Mad Mac asked you a question "which sect is saved,"? and you answered that your tiny salafi group led in Australia by Sheekh Omrani to be the saved sect. Don't the rest of Sunni-Muslims follow sunnah and Koraan? When did you convert to them? Do you consider your relatives who are not part of your sect to be heretics? You guys never cease to amaze me.
We are all Muslims and don't be an ignorant robot, therefore leave all judgements to Allah SWT.
Ramadan Kariim.[/quote]
What the heck
Who the heck is shiekh Omrani? "Tiny" salafi? The majority of Muslims are Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah! I was an Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah! My cousins follow the Qur'an and Sunnah, hence are Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah! Subhan'Allah!
May Allah (SWT) guide us all to the right path (Ameen)
"We are all Muslims and don't be an ignorant robot, therefore leave all judgements to Allah SWT"
I don't base my judgement on "ignorant" facts here (unlike you) but rather facts from the Qur'an and Sunnah!
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