A unionist once more

[hargaysaay]

Whats so funny saxib, would you care to elaborate?

I'll tell you whats funny , Taking an honest heartfelt advise as some sort of self boasting brag , you cant see clearly
your Qabilism is clouding your optic nerve .

[LightAtNight]

Do you really believe the war in the south took place because of resources?

Yes, because if you know Somalia's history you would know that somalia's problems began or was severely exacerbated by the ogaden war. The war run the state treachery clean, things didnt go according to plan, somalia lost the war, spent all lot of resources, its army was weakened. As a result, siad barre who had turned to the US for help after being abandoned by the USSR, used the aid money that was given to him to instigate clan conflicts among the various rival clans. By doing this he believed that he would be able to stay in power for longer. His army wasnt as strong as before so he relied on the tactics of divide and rule. This later on backfired and civil war broke out as rival clans scrambled to take control of what little the country had.
There were also other clan grievances of-course, it wasnt purely about resources, however when the civil war actually broke out, people fought over resources, which is why it is was mainly concentrated in the south, in and around the capital at the begging. Then of course gradually spread outwards.
Even groups who belonged in the same clan (Abgaal vs habarg gidhir. xawaadle vs habar githir) turned on each other.

[LightAtNight]

Whats so funny saxib, would you care to elaborate?

I'll tell you whats funny , Taking an honest heartfelt advise as some sort of self boasting brag , you cant see clearly
your Qabilism is clouding your optic nerve .

In that case I apologize my dear sister or brother.

[Meyle]

The war in the south wasn't about resources like the war we see in eastern Kongo today. It was about control and nothing else.

[hargaysaay]

MuslimStrugler

Misguided young Hawiye Militia men were not carrying guns in the 90s to fight for resources , they were fighting
for there warlord cousin . the mess that took place would have made more sense if we were fighting over resources , and I don't know what resources
your talking about to begin with ...if it aint something so valuable like Oil , Diamond , gold , Uranium and Etc , then what was it , Bananas ?

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

The only thing that destroyed Somalia is qabyaalad. May Allah torture the wretch that brought the idea qabiil to somalis. The funny thing is, thanks to DNA testing the whole thing has shown itself to be bullshit.

[saacJabshee]

I dont buy this "oh we are a model" for other Somali, whether it comes from a Darood or Isaaq. The only reason why Bari or Waqooyi haven't fought as long and brutal as the people in Koonfur is simply financial. Remember Mogadisho is the capital of Somaliyo including the break away region. This means the UN and the and other donor states will have to deal with whoever is in charge of Mogadisho. The militia's are more opportunist than qabilist id say. My reason is, people fighting in mogadisho after the kacaan fell were just militia firms turning on each other in order to control large parts of mogadisho or all off it. Whenever there was a fight the people who lived in those areas would flee and the UN would ring the "humanitarian" alarm. However they wouldn't be able to get to the areas where the fighting was taking place due to their security not being guaranteed. Who would then guarantee their safety? whichever mooryan group won. They would talk to the mooryaans and pay them off. These tactics were used in other areas of Somalia.

Another reason why Mogadisho has been more violent is because there was a mad rush for the villa Somalia seat. Although there were some honest men who tried, most of them the competitors were mooryan or funded by mooryaan. When their was a political stalemate between oppositions, they would have death matches on streets and whoever won took it all home that. Reer bari and waqooyi had to kick stones whilst all this was happening since no one was paying them attention. If they fought, the price wouldn't be of any financial worth. After a while they started talking about "hormar" iyo "diib u diis" then their meager developments got to their head and now you have people saying "oh somali should copy us". I dont think Hawiye are less peaceful then Darood or Isaaq.

[Meyle]

^

What are you talking about?


The difference between Somaliland and other Somali factions is that the people of Somaliland know that the greater good of our country comes before individual interests. In Somalia its the opposite, for instance instance you have all these weird alliances based on ''islamic principles'' and some pseudo pan islamism ideology like Dam Jadiid but who will benefit from that nonsense? Not the single mother thats being abused by government troops thats for sure..

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I dont buy this "oh we are a model" for other Somali, whether it comes from a Darood or Isaaq. The only reason why Bari or Waqooyi haven't fought as long and brutal as the people in Koonfur is simply financial. Remember Mogadisho is the capital of Somaliyo including the break away region. This means the UN and the and other donor states will have to deal with whoever is in charge of Mogadisho. The militia's are more opportunist than qabilist id say. My reason is, people fighting in mogadisho after the kacaan fell were just militia firms turning on each other in order to control large parts of mogadisho or all off it. Whenever there was a fight the people who lived in those areas would flee and the UN would ring the "humanitarian" alarm. However they wouldn't be able to get to the areas where the fighting was taking place due to their security not being guaranteed. Who would then guarantee their safety? whichever mooryan group won. They would talk to the mooryaans and pay them off. These tactics were used in other areas of Somalia.

Another reason why Mogadisho has been more violent is because there was a mad rush for the villa Somalia seat. Although there were some honest men who tried, most of them the competitors were mooryan or funded by mooryaan. When their was a political stalemate between oppositions, they would have death matches on streets and whoever won took it all home that. Reer bari and waqooyi had to kick stones whilst all this was happening since no one was paying them attention. If they fought, the price wouldn't be of any financial worth. After a while they started talking about "hormar" iyo "diib u diis" then their meager developments got to their head and now you have people saying "oh somali should copy us". I dont think Hawiye are less peaceful then Darood or Isaaq.

Errr...no. Nice try though.

[saacJabshee]

Look at many violent countries, They all have one thing in common and that is there is more violence in the capital than other cities. Like Iraq and Libya. I think Bosaso would have been different had it been the capital. You keep believing there is peace in your region because of honest leaders.

[Meyle]

There's peace in Somaliland because our elders knew that the greater good of our country comes before individual interests and clan interests. They knew they had to solve their differences. There has been no reconciliation for 23 years in Somalia because people are being held hostage by corrupt leaders.

[saacJabshee]

What makes them corrupt is money, not because they dont have "honest" tribal elders. Your elders understood fighting is not lucrative in their region. Where as in Mogadisho it was lucrative and people fought for control.

[Meyle]

Lucrative in what way though? What resources were they fighting over in Mogadishu?

[saacJabshee]

Not lucrative as in resources, but as in money and political power which comes with more money itself once you become the main man. Where as in Hargiesa or Bosaso fighting wouldnt bring money. Money would be given to the main man in Mogadisho and nothing would reach any of you.

[quark]