You're right I probably shouldn't go there, I don't have the same kind of free time that I used to, I've given people the source files to the maps but they all give up eventually, too much work.
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:17 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
Islam is not a Mafia organsation which means if you leave you should be killed... leaving or staying in islam should be joice. and its outdated and mafia mentality those who advocate for death Penalty those who leave Islam... whit in the quran its clear it says
la ikraha fid deen
..There is No Compulsion in Religion.. those who advocate death penalty for those who leave islam they are 100% contradicting what Allah the supreme islamic God said on hes holy Book ( Quran)..
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:21 pm
by AhlulbaytSoldier
DR-YALAXOOW wrote:Islam is not a Mafia organsation which means if you leave you should be killed... leaving or staying in islam should be joice. and its outdated and mafia mentality those who advocate for death Penalty those who leave Islam... whit in the quran its clear it says
la ikraha fid deen
..There is No Compulsion in Religion.. who you advocate death penalty of those who leave islam then your 100% contradicting what Allah the supreme islamic God said on hes holy Book ( Quran)..
Sxb
The hadiths i mentioned in post 2 supports quran and does not contradict quran.
Only the warlike apostate(waging war against Allah and his Messenger) must be executed. Not a poor apostate who sings kumbaya in church or sings yomkubur in synagogue or worships rats in hindu temple. Such poor apostates are free to believe what they want because there is no compulsion in religion.
That is my eternal belief regarding apostasy until the earth is replaced by other earth and so too the heavens.
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:24 pm
by FAH1223
AhlulbaytSoldier wrote:FAH to behonest to kill a apostate or force him to stay in Islam is cruel and is anti-islam. Please read what i wrote there. U cannot force someone to stay in Islam, it goes against the words of Allah swt "no compulsion in religion".
I gave EVIDENCES from quran and sunnah to back it up.
The only apostate that can be killed by the islamic govt is apostate who wages war against Allah and his messenger by working with the kuffar(spying on the muslims) or joining their army or stirring up problems in the muslim country by insulting the religion and calling people to disbelief.
Such apostate deserves to be killed.
But iam talking about peaceful apostate who leaves islam and minds his/her own business.
There is also other story about muslim sahabi who converted to christianity in Ethiopia. Did the prophet pbuh ask the ethiopian king to hand over this apostate so he can be killed? No!
The hadith doesn't contradict Qur'an
There's a period to educate apostates about misconceptions
But to find an apostate, you'd have to find someone who is outwardly left the deen and is actively trying to cause a stir in the community.
People who keep to themselves aren't going to be looked at because they can conceal it
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:34 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
hadith does contradict the quran.. if hadiths say
kill those who leave/change their religion
and verse in the quran says
There is No Compulsion in Religion
than that hadiith is 100% contradict the quran... lets not forget hadiths were written almost 300 years after prophet sc past away.. so there are thousends hadiths whichs are simbly false hadiiths..
just lets take Bukhari hadiths which sunni muslims believe second to quran.. look this funny unlogic hadith from Bukhari book.
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i dont understand why SUnni muslims take more hadiiiths than they do Quran.. quran should be numbar one source in Islam.
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:36 pm
by AhlulbaytSoldier
Clearly there is ikhtilaaf on this issue. Lets leave that way.
I believe and join the camp of 100% la ikraha fi deen(no compulsion in religion also for apostates) makes more sense and they bring more logical evidences from quran and sunnah . While the camp of 50% la ikraha fi deen(enter islam at freewill, but dont dare to leave otherwise heads chop off!)ignores the important quran verses and hadiths about military/dangerous form of apostasy
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:07 pm
by Chinaman
The fact that there is even a debate on whether or not to kill a person because he left the religion is in itself mind-boggling.
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:38 pm
by jalaaludin5
AhlulbaytSoldier wrote:Do you guys believe it is logical that apostate must be killed for leaving islam?
haye.
ma soo wadataa
waa lagu haya ban filaya.
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:40 pm
by Khalid Ali
Hutuking did u flip flop again i can recall u wanted go behead xplaya because he left islam
Not that long ago maad so degtey
Gacanyare aad bu ula yabanyahay hutuking oo marba kitaab cusub sita
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:39 pm
by Casanova25
Just reading thru this thread I came to realize that James dahl of all people is more closer to xaaq then the notorious takfiri ahlulbaytsoldier
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:00 am
by AhlulbaytSoldier
Gacanyare dont be a bitch now. Just give us your insight in this issue.
Casanova fuck off. You are the one supporting isis lol
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:45 am
by grandpakhalif
Mua'dh bin Jabal the first scholar in Islam and an amazing sahabi
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271
they were men who followed the prophet indeed.
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:49 am
by grandpakhalif
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260
These are all sahih hadith with sound chains, denying sahih hadith is the same denying the Qur'an because they are both authentic
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:04 am
by AhlulbaytSoldier
These are hadiths that contradict the quran La Ikrah fi deen. For that reason it is not authentic. And i do not prefer fabricated hadiths (100-200 years after sahaba) above Quran. And i do not accept killings of apostates above "La Ikrah Fi Deen".
Re: Death penalty for Apostasy?
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:50 am
by grandpakhalif
so you claim to know Islam and interpret qur'an better than Mua'dh ibn Jabal (ra) and Imam Ali (ra)? what arrogance
La ikra fi deen is for non muslims born outside Islam not murtadeen, stop misinterpreting qur;'an
