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Follower of the false prophet(paul),
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Horta yaa tahay? Majeerteen? Isaaq?

AhlulbaytSoldier wrote:Follower of the false prophet(paul),
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Show me the evidence. Read again.

Horta yaa tahay? Majeerteen? Isaaq?

That's why I commended PO for his rare consistency. I've debated your type by the tens - and it's always the same game - No logic. Because your understanding was not based on what was revealed to you as you read the Koran, but what a scholar says. So when the scholar says nothing, you've got nothing to say.

Love

Off to bed

BQ

P.S. For my Qabil, please refer to my name

BeyondQabil wrote:Po, thank you; one of the few times I've seen logical consistency. So I guess you mean to say that the lady is talking about the Prophet. But it's always good to read things in context. What exactly is going on?

A woman, a bride to Solomon - is troubled. She was sleeping, and Solomon comes to her house at night.

I sleep, but my heart wakes: it is the voice of my beloved that knocks, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my perfect one: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.

I have put off my robe; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how could I soil them? My beloved put in his hand by the latch of the door, and my heart was thrilled for him. I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dripped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock. (this woman has definitely applied perfume on her body so as to smell sweet to Solomon.)

I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spoke: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer. The watchmen that went about the city found me, they struck me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.

THE woman is looking for her lover

I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, that you tell him, that I am sick with love.

So her friends ask her; what is so unique about your lover?

What is your beloved more than another beloved, O you fairest among women? what is your beloved more than another beloved, that you so charge us?

The she tells them:

My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are wavy, and black as a raven. His eyes are like doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set. His cheeks are like a bed of spices, like sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dripping sweet smelling myrrh.

His arms are as rounded gold set with beryl: his body is as carved ivory overlaid with sapphires. His legs are pillars of marble, set upon bases of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars. His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammed. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

Are you trying to imply that Mohammed was the lover to Solomon's bride that had disappeared in the night? Only a Scholar can twist the scriptures for one to come up to such a dumb conclusion.

Horta, BeyondQabil, there is something seriously wrong with Christianity/Judaism and how they depict the chosen men of Allah. To us, the Prophets are esteemed individuals, of the utmost character and morals, they are role models for humanity and examples to follow. We reject this depiction of Solomon coming to a women that is not his wife, or Sheba, or Noah having incestual relations with his daughters. Wa ya Auudibillah. Like I have said, Muslims completely reject anything that is contrary to Islam. Nevertheless, it is amazing that Muhaammadim, is mention in there. And the approximate translation is "all together lovely", which is close to the definition of Muhammad "One who is Praised".

Nevertheless, we do not base the authenticity of the Prophet Muhammad scw on verses taken from the bible. So, really it is a side issue, almost irrelevant to Islamic/Christian discourse. Instead, what the most stickiest issue for Muslims/Christians/Jews is the divinity of Jesus Christ/Messiah. Two out of the three Abarahamic beliefs do not have a theological compatibility with the other. This is because, two out of the three cannot reconcile the Lord Creator having a son , daughter, wife, father, mother, etc. It is also interesting to note, that the divinity of Jesus has not only been a controversial issue for two of the three religions but it has also been controversial within the christians themselves. Which had to be voted on in the Council of Nicea. Which led to the persecution of Christians that did not believe in the divinity of Jesus as the Son of God. In fact, it has been proven, by countless scholars and historians, that the hellonistic view of Jesus is almost identical to the pagan religions of the time.

No response?

Perfect_Order wrote:No response?

Sorry, hadn't seen this..

Horta, BeyondQabil, there is something seriously wrong with Christianity/Judaism and how they depict the chosen men of Allah. To us, the Prophets are esteemed individuals, of the utmost character and morals, they are role models for humanity and examples to follow. We reject this depiction of Solomon coming to a women that is not his wife, or Sheba, or Noah having incestual relations with his daughters. Wa ya Auudibillah. Like I have said, Muslims completely reject anything that is contrary to Islam. Nevertheless, it is amazing that Muhaammadim, is mention in there. And the approximate translation is "all together lovely", which is close to the definition of Muhammad "One who is Praised".

Nevertheless, we do not base the authenticity of the Prophet Muhammad scw on verses taken from the bible. So, really it is a side issue, almost irrelevant to Islamic/Christian discourse. Instead, what the most stickiest issue for Muslims/Christians/Jews is the divinity of Jesus Christ/Messiah. Two out of the three Abarahamic beliefs do not have a theological compatibility with the other. This is because, two out of the three cannot reconcile the Lord Creator having a son , daughter, wife, father, mother, etc. It is also interesting to note, that the divinity of Jesus has not only been a controversial issue for two of the three religions but it has also been controversial within the christians themselves. Which had to be voted on in the Council of Nicea. Which led to the persecution of Christians that did not believe in the divinity of Jesus as the Son of God. In fact, it has been proven, by countless scholars and historians, that the hellonistic view of Jesus is almost identical to the pagan religions of the time.

First of all, i wholeheartedly agree with you that the name "Muhammad" meaning one who is praised, has similarity to Muhaamadim (plural,) which means "all together lovely." This to me, is not a sign of prophecy, but of linguistic similarities between Ancient Hebrew and Ancient Arabic. And when you take into consideration the fact that the ancient alphabet didn't have vowels, then the similarity becomes even more. But to use this and say that it is the name of the prophet, is to stretch things too far. For that is not the only place where the words have been used. And if we were consistent, we would evaluate the usage of this word wherever it appeared. Fors example, the first word in the 16the verse of Ezekiel 25 (Translated as Son of Man,) reads "bn adm." Who in his right sense can't see that this has got plenty of similarities to Hebrew?

But Zaik - who was instrumental in spreading this teaching, would never touch on that.

Now the issue of the "Sinlessness of the Prophets." The difference between Judaism/Christianity and Islam, is that while Muslim scholars try to sugarcoat things Biblical teaching doesn't. Sin is called sin. Abraham slept with Hagar to give birth to Ishmael, when Hagar was NOT his wife. The consequences are being felt to this day. But this will not prevent Jews calling themselves Children of Abraham or Christians praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And yet, Jacob - that very name, is meant to deceiver, and had to be changed to Israel. Solomon Married 700 wives and had 300 concubines. You'll find many Muslim scholars claiming that it is wrong to say that Solomon had a weakness when it comes to women, but wouldn't see the problem with having four wives.

The reason why (I THINK) that muslim scholars have tried to malign the bible and accusing Christians and Jews of editing the Bible, is simply because they are afraid that Many muslims would be tempted to read it and be blown away by what they read.

The divinity of Jesus is plain to anyone who Studies the Bible with more than a casual attitude. There are cults which deny the divinity of Jesus, and these cults include the Jehovah Witness. But a plain reading of the Bible will not only prove the Sonship of Christ, but also the divinity of the Holy Spirit and that of Jesus Christ. If you take your time and read the Bible (throw away the goggles given to you by scholars,) you'll see that it's pretty plain.

That made no sense sxb, I suggest you go and learn about Christianity and why it died in the west. Insha'allah when Africans have access to western scholarship about Christianity they too will start to disregard it. I can't believe African's want to believe in a white, blue eyed, blonde hair Jesus.

Perfect_Order wrote:That made no sense sxb, I suggest you go and learn about Christianity and why it died in the west. Insha'allah when Africans have access to western scholarship about Christianity they too will start to disregard it. I can't believe African's want to believe in a white, blue eyed, blonde hair Jesus.

What part "Muhammadim" meaning "lovely" being lingusitically similar to "Muhammad" meaning "praiseworthy" does not make sense? I have asked for consistency - but i receive none. If the prophet was mentioned in Songs of Solomon, why isn't he mentioned in Ezekiel? What made Muslim scholars to choose the one in Songs of Solomon but to ignore the one in Ezekiel which refers to the wife of Prophet Ezekiel?

People do not change religion because of "scholarly works." If you have ever preached to non-Muslims or have seen a Muslim convert to Christianity, you should know that. Many Christians don't have enough time to read the bible let alone some "scholarly works." How many Muslims do read Scholarship?

How many Muslims in Somalia even study the Koran let alone scholarship about Islam..? Forget about the Nomads in Somalia, how many people on Snet have taken their time to read even 10% the Sahih Hadiths? And you're talking about Scholarship? And yet scholarship is everything in Islam. Do you then expect a Christian - who has been taught that the Holy Spirit is his teacher to worry about the writings of Martin Luther, John Wesley, Augustine and what not. My favorite Bible teacher is a person with nothing more than a high school education. Andrew Wommack - for faith has nothing to do with the number of PHDs after your name.

The reason why people leave Christianity is simply because they have rejected the truth. Islam will suffer the same fate. Islam has been in Somalia for centuries - and how many mosques do you have that is led by a self-confessed faggot? What about in the West? How many Somali atheists do you know in Somalia? What about in the west?