common mistakes about greater somalia!

[sahal80]

Okay Baladweyne Bob You have seen me before lol...

You have this weird Cuqdaad, against Reer-Waqooyi & Darood, & somehow you think you are always right. Baal mantaa wuxuu Qofkaan kuu sheekaynayo arka Somalis from DJ, NFD & Somali Galbeed were not part of the Society & Governement of Somalia pre-1969. .

Professor all Knowing what is SYL & who were SYL, Hawadle are SYL & Hiiraan = SYL??

niyoo waa jirantahay aan filaa barkee maxaa qabiilka keenay meesha aniga waxaan ka hadli jiray hiiraan as being SYLs political constituency not my qabiil sidoo kale waa isko dhexyaacsantahay oo meel lagoo raaco malihid!

Taarikhda somalia hadii aan koo faaideeyo, dhinaca koonfurta waxaa heestey talyaaniga ka hor dadka banadiriga iyo maayga oo la isko dhaho sab somalis. ninka zanjibar umatalayay min kismayo ilaa warsheekh wohoo ahaa digil, governorka xamar woxoo ahaa banadiri waliba reer cuman ah (ahmed boo saciid)

Saa darteed, markii wadanka talyaaniga qabsadey waxee la dhaqmeen nativeska

Ugu horeen waxeey xiriir la yeeshteen mj oo soo dhaweeyay maxmiyadna laga dhigay madama cuman ay banadiriga taageeraan iyo maayga

Dhinaca koonfurta waxey toos u hoostageysay talyaniga waxaana ka bilaabmey halgan ciidan iyo mid siyaasadeed

Talyaaniga dadkii ka horyimid buu damcay inuu la heshiiyo

Arintsan waxee keentey in sabkii ka horyimaadaan talyaniga, saas ayeyna ko timid SYC

Qaar sabka ka mid ah waxey aqbaleen inay xukumi karin somalida waxayna goosteen in isticmaarka sii jooga sida, carabta, barawaaniga iyo digilka, arintaas oo keentay in golaha shacabka laga siiyo kuraas aan ku dhisneen doorasho

Dadka lafoole dadka ku laayey carab bey ahaayeen talysaniga u shaqayn jirtey

Siyaasada SYC waxeey eheed inay ayaga hogaaanka qabtaan waxaana taageeri jiray masar iyo jamacada carabta

Sanadkii 1946kii ayaa waxaa dhintey hogaamiyaheedii (general secretary) sakhawadin, waxaa ku jiray groupkiisa siyaasi baladweyne ka soo jeeday oo sh ali jumaale la dhihi jiray

waxaa jirey branch beledweyne ka jirtey oo aad u xooganeed waxaana local secretary ka ahaa cabdullahi ciise

Cabdullahi ciise ayaa waxaa xoghayaha SYC u doortey kowii samaalaha ahaa oo ka soo jeeday badanaaba hiiraan iyo mudug khaasatan waqooyiga ama ku dhashtey hobyo inkastoo ay mj ahaayeen qaarna ay sacad dhaleen sida sharmarke

laantii baladweyne waxaa qabsadey adan cade (regional secretary)

Halkaas markeey sheekado mareeyso, kowii samaalaha ayaa waxay ukala jabeen qabiil, waxaa taxaaluf yeeshay cabdullahi ciise, sh ali jumcaale iyo adan cadde oo markaan laga dhigay madaxa SYL

shirarka caalamiga ayagaa u matali jirey SYL sida shirkii paris ee baven plan oo cabdullahi ciise ka qayb galey arintaan oo ingiriisku rabeen inay ayaga la wareegaan trusteeshipka, soona jeediyay in lagu daro ogaden iyo NFD iyo waqooyi

Dadaal badan ooy dawlada ethiopia samaysay ayadoo markaa ah xubin UN wax ka aasaastey, waxay heshey taageerada maraykanka iyo russia saa darteed ingiriisku way kabexeen in ogaden lagu daro trusteeshipka laakiin hawd iyo NFD la raacinn karo arintaan oo u cuntami waysey cabdullahi ciise wuxuuna taageerey soo noqoshada talyaaniga

Dawladii ingiriiska markii ay booskii waysey waxay hawd siisay ethiopia(1955)NFD kenya(1961)

ugu danbeytii, daakhiliyadii waxaa la wareegay cabdullahi ciise oo raysul wasaare noqdey iyo adan cadde oo speakerka noqdey, xataa qabiil ahaan ayagaa wasiirada badanaaba qaatey

Ayagii baa hadana iskhilaafeen markii markii groupkii cabdullahi ciise ay shareexeen jumaale oo watey barnaamaj irirism ah oo uu taxaaluf kula galey cigaal, groupkii waqooyiga mudug waxay taageereen adan cade oo isa soo sharaxey

Hal cod ayuu kaga guuleystey

Aniga pointgeyga waxa waaye dadkii SYL sameeyay ka urursiyaasadeed waxay matalayeen baladweyne xubnahoodu haba ahaadaan 60 oo ku jiray golaha dhexe dhamaana wadanka matalaysay

Ururkaan siyaadaseed ma qabin in dad deg waqooyi iyo koonfur isko raacaan ayadda oon af somali la qorin si manhajka waxbarashada loo mideeyo ooo markaas af ingririis iyo af talyaani ahaa

Waxay kaloo ka soo horjeesteen tariqa siyasiya oo laga wadey SYC oo qabyaalada bas ka soo horjeedat

Marka niyow baro taariikhda iyo farqiqa siyaasadihii soo marey dalka

SYL wax sab ah koma jirin!




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[sahal80]

first of all your sources are very weak and dont support your arguemtent one is wikipedia who we recently learned is edited by a somali guy, and the other is a british history page that only outlines events and doesnt go into any detail and your third article actually goes against your claims.

Adan Abdullah told the crowds that the people in Somalia eagerly awaited their independence on Friday. He said that there was no major obstacle in the way of union of both countries. There were difficulties in detail, “but there is no doubt that these will be resolved”.

as far as the blue flag and how it was raised in hargeisa that doesnt mean anything. yes somaliland planned to unite with italian somalia after independence thats why we didnt bother with making our own flag, that doesnt mean we didnt have the right to do so. we had no aspiration to remain independent but we had all the legal right to do so if we chose. so this flag arguement you come with bears no significance.

Somaliland is confident with its legal case, and that is why somalia is trying to sabotage the talks because it knows it doesnt have legality or history on its side. and its just using stall tactics which will not work and somalia will be forced back to the table and told to remove those northerners from the talks.

An excellent explanation my brother.

It's astonishing how southerns use the flag excuse with a bold face knowing AND ignoring the fact it represent(ed) our nationalism! Instead of twisting it shamelessly and use it in their outrageous and false claim of unity being a compulsory, forced and granted event that was bound to happen in one way or another.

Yet, when you ask them WHY a referendum was made? they beat around the bushes dodging the question, the reason is simply because they can't give a valid answer that takes into consideration (Logic, common sense and reality) They rather to change the subject from why you didn't have a flag to why international law prevents SL of seceding from Somalia whenever they lose the debate.

They think a piece of paper can determine the existence or vanish of a whole state/country. They believe we couldn't throw the UN inspired flag on their faces in the 1960 and make our own.



The way Djibouti did in 1977.



#Wanlwayne Logic

that referendum was made after the independence in both regions!

my point is the republic was representing them both equally, rest are out of the equation!

Ogaden can fellow djibouti and thats what their policy is.

[Rambie]

My point exactly.

They rather to change the subject from why you didn't have a flag to why international law prevents SL of seceding from Somalia.

[sahal80]

My point exactly.

They rather to change the subject from why you didn't have a flag to why international law prevents SL of seceding from Somalia.

look sxb, I did not put it that way despite being the flag of our trusteeship it represents ethnic somalis

However, while the djiboutian somali parties had their own mixed identity(afar and iisa), the waqooyi parties have fully adopted the somali identity, hence raising the same flag as a region part of the future republic

You can say it was your mistake but the truth is just like that

Secondly the referedum was about the constitution not unity


for political reasons, my region has majoritly voted no, more than waqooyi

This nullifies your walawan claim

http://www.hiiraan.com/op2/2010/sept/th ... cracy.aspx

[Rambie]

My point exactly.

They rather to change the subject from why you didn't have a flag to why international law prevents SL of seceding from Somalia.

look sxb, I did not put it that way despite being the flag of our trusteeship it represents ethnic somalis

However, while the djiboutian somali parties had their own mixed identity(afar and iisa), the waqooyi parties have fully adopted the somali identity, hence raising the same flag as a region part of the future republic

You can say it was your mistake but the truth is just like that

Secondly the referedum was about the constitution not unity


for political reasons, my region has majoritly voted no, more than waqooyi

This nullifies your walawan claim

http://www.hiiraan.com/op2/2010/sept/th ... cracy.aspx

I see what you did there ...

[sahal80]

Rambie, ok

Anigu koma dhahaayo ma diidi karin barkee baarlamsankii 60ka ee waqooyi adinkaa ugu badnaa

Waxaa jirtey cawaamil aan adin saacidin sida ingriiska oo ogolaa israaca maadama oo koonfurta ka talinayay waana sababta saraakiishii hore af ingiriiska ugo hadlaan sida siyad barre

Cigaal oo aaminsanaa inuu somali pm noqonaayo oo isko haleeyey xamar hadana si shoruuud la aan ah wax ko saxiixay

Xamar waa iska taqaan waa lakala wad wataa

So...Beertaad gasheen.

Hada waxaa jira laba scenario, in wixii dib loo saxo ood waqooyi dhan ko gorgortaan sida zanjibar iyo kurdstan

Barnaamijkaan xagiinaa ka gaabiyey xiligii hassan sheekh

Hada waxaa soo baxay groypyo badan oo magaca waqooyi wata sida USP...

Goog luck...

[BigBreak]

no one can touch somaliland's sovereignty/independence as well as her territorial integrity. despite non recognition, we are becoming a more strategic geopolitical player in our east african/middle east neighbourhood