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Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:06 pm
by samaalenoble
Alpharabius wrote:Sharaf is not even a Hamitic/Cushitic word , it is Semetic. :meles:

If you guys want nothing to do with the Bantu/negroid populations of Africa ,and you want us Northeast Africans to have our own identity, then why not take the same approach when it comes to dealing with Semites and their culture , language etc ?.

Even though i find this idea of "splitting the continent" ridiculous , i would have thought you guys would have at least picked a name that has its origins within the "new continent" but instead you chose an Arabic word that originates in the Mid east.

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It's seem like you're not running away from bantus because you see them as inferior but that you're running to Arabs for acceptance beacause you deem yourself a inferior.

Yes, Sharaf is an Arabic word. The majority of this new continent's population is not technically Arab. However, the Arabic language and the Islamic religion are the most common elements in this sauce.

"i would have thought you guys would have at least picked a name" You should have come at me with the response rate. SMH.

I won't entertain the slave brain material.


Dadka Somalida iya kasareeya? I can't believe I even have to say this.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:12 pm
by samaalenoble
jalaaludin5 wrote:Sharaf. Sharaf. Doesn't quiet fit.

Sharaf. Naah. Doesn't sound right.
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Hey dirtbag, that continent is going to get split.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:13 pm
by samaalenoble
Jugjugwacwac wrote:Samaalenoble nin culus. :up:
Thanks bro.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:55 pm
by jalaaludin5
samaalenoble wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:Sharaf. Sharaf. Doesn't quiet fit.

Sharaf. Naah. Doesn't sound right.
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Hey dirtbag, that continent is going to get split.
Hey fock face, the only thing splitting into tiny pieces are your precious Somali.
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Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:22 pm
by samaalenoble
jalaaludin5 wrote:
samaalenoble wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:Sharaf. Sharaf. Doesn't quiet fit.

Sharaf. Naah. Doesn't sound right.
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Hey dirtbag, that continent is going to get split.
Hey fock face, the only thing splitting into tiny pieces are your precious Somali.
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You may not be the brightest crayon in the box but your Tyrone Biggums' energy level should get you some points.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:35 pm
by jalaaludin5
Ok, but your not convincing under this nick.

Sign in with the other one mr hemetic.
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Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:49 pm
by samaalenoble
jalaaludin5 wrote:Ok, but your not convincing under this nick.

Sign in with the other one mr hemetic.
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Do you really think I have time to be a multi nicker here? See your crackhead ass over and over?


For the record: Ham, Hamitic, Hamite are just temporary terms till better alternatives for this distinct racial group exist.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:07 pm
by jalaaludin5
samaalenoble wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:Ok, but your not convincing under this nick.

Sign in with the other one mr hemetic.
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Do you really think I have time to be a multi nicker here? See your crackhead ass over and over?


For the record: Ham, Hamitic, Hamite are just temporary terms till better alternatives for this distinct racial group exist.
Ok mate. Just don't get emotional if people have different views.

Otherwise there will be a lot of people who will fall under the "tyron" and "slave" category.


Sharaf still sound like a dusty tuulo in the desert of Arabia.
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Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:27 pm
by samaalenoble
jalaaludin5 wrote:
samaalenoble wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:Ok, but your not convincing under this nick.

Sign in with the other one mr hemetic.
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Do you really think I have time to be a multi nicker here? See your crackhead ass over and over?


For the record: Ham, Hamitic, Hamite are just temporary terms till better alternatives for this distinct racial group exist.
Ok mate. Just don't get emotional if people have different views.

Otherwise there will be a lot of people who will fall under the "tyron" and "slave" category.


Sharaf still sound like a dusty tuulo in the desert of Arabia.
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I don't get emotional over a crackhead outside of a store I just shopped at telling me he didn't like my purchase.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:36 pm
by jalaaludin5
Ok Sharaf. What ever you say.
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Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:31 am
by xamarLady
I don't think Ethiopians would agree on this. Hawdian may come and help us here :lol: Do Ethiopians speak or use arabic? They are not even in the Arab League map (see below).

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Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:49 am
by RoobleAlWaliid
You know when it comes to other continents they use a ancient term or a historic figure to name their continent after.

Sharaf, hmmmmm just doesn't sound right.

Maybe we should ask a European historian what to name this continent after. :mrgreen: Since most continents have a ancient Greek etymology.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:24 pm
by Bilis
Alpharabius wrote:If you guys want nothing to do with the Bantu/negroid populations of Africa ,and you want us Northeast Africans to have our own identity, then why not take the same approach when it comes to dealing with Semites and their culture , language etc ?
It is one's duty to defend one's ancestors. However, this indeed can and should be done while also making sure to respect as much as possible the dignity of other ancestral populations. The ideal ethos here would therefore be pro-Puntite; not anti-Negroid or anti-anything for that matter. :up:

That said, I personally don't have issues with the continental name "Africa". The etymology of that name was actually derived from a Hamitic people, the "Afri" (a Berber group). It's the term "Sub-Saharan Africa" that's the real problem. This is because, by default, this neologism attempts to establish a false divide between the Afro-Asiatic/Hamitic-Semitic sibling populations on either side of the Sahara. Such a partition simply did not exist in antiquity, nor does it now.

Also, Semites are part of the greater Afro-Asiatic family, so they are not comparable to Bantus/Nilotes in that regard. Somalis and other Hamitic peoples in the Horn have close cultural, genetic, historical and linguistic ties with populations in Southern Arabia. Even the camel saddle that reer miyi traditionally use is the same as that used by the ancient Southern Arabs:
"An introduction of camel from Arabia into the Horn at an early time, perhaps between 2500 and 1500 B.C., might be also supported by the use of an archaic South Arabian type of camel saddle in Somalia and Socotra."
Basically, there are three layers in the traditional Somali culture. The first and oldest layer is that of the Neolithic pastoral culture, as depicted on the rock art at Laas Geel and other areas in the Somali territories. This aspect is mainly gone; a few remnants of it are still found in the mainstream Somali culture, but more so in that of the Gabooye. The second and most important layer in the traditional Somali culture dates back to the Land of Punt. It contains elements of ancient Egyptian, Khaleeji and Greek culture due to longstanding contacts between the inhabitants of the Land of Punt (the Puntites), their close relatives in ancient Egypt, and their trading partners in Southern Arabia and the Hellenic region. Finally, there is the Islamic cultural layer, which today is the dominant one in mainstream Somali culture.

I'll go into more detail some other time on these three different cultural layers, but here is a summary of the key Puntite culture:
"A few Arabic words are found in their vocabulary. Nevertheless, the characteristics of the Somalis belong to a different age than the Arabs, being more like the Egvptians, the Greek, or the Roman. The Somali language, in general, also, is more closely allied to several East Indian dialects. There are, in fact, many reasons for the belief that the Somalis belong rather to the Aryan than to the Semitic race. In their appearance many resemble the people of the Gallas and Swahili tribes, but others have the features of East Indians or Europeans with glossy hair. For this reason the Somali is frequently called " a black European." Some of these people have almond-shaped eyes like the Chinese. Almost all have thicker lips than those of the Caucasian race, and they hold their mouths half-open, disclosing large white teeth. In stature, the men are above the middle height and are physically well- formed ; many of them would make fine models for the sculptor. They have a scant beard like the Abyssin- ians. These people are a fine, strong race, says an English writer. Some of the warriors cut their hair. Others let it hang upon their shoulders. In this case it is always parted on the forehead. They sometimes bleach their hair with chalk dissolved in water. When, clad in goatskin, the Somali warriors advance upon their enemy at a rapid pace, their eyes gleaming with the spirit of war. their long locks streaming in the wind, and the sunlight gleaming upon their burnished lances and shields, they present a truly formidable and awe-inspiring appearance."
The ancestral Puntite culture is quite apparent when you consider things like the strong poetic/bard tradition, the customary law (similar to the Socrates/Plato/Aristotle philosopher tradition), and the attire historically worn by the Afro-Asiatic populations in Northeast Africa.

The scansion used in traditional Somali poetry is similar to that used in ancient Greece, consistent with the Puntites' longstanding ties with the Hellenic region.
"In addition to the formal constraint of alliteration, Somali poetry has a system of quantitative scansion reminiscent of that used in ancient Greek."
Similarly, the traditional male attire is basically a modified Puntite/ancient Egyptian kilt, with a Greek/Roman toga slung over the shoulder, and an ancient Khaleeji dagger tucked into the waist:

Somali:
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Khaleeji:
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Many ancient Greek/Roman ceramics, coins and other artifacts have also been found in the Somali territories and elsewhere in Northeast Africa. These often date from the first few centuries of the Common Era, as described in the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Ptolemy's Geografia and other early treatises. This was the period when the Barbaroi and the Azanians (two early Cushitic groups in the Horn) as well as the Aksumites traded with other contemporaneous kingdoms.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:30 pm
by Bilis
RoobleAlWaliid wrote:You know when it comes to other continents they use a ancient term or a historic figure to name their continent after.

Sharaf, hmmmmm just doesn't sound right.

Maybe we should ask a European historian what to name this continent after. :mrgreen: Since most continents have a ancient Greek etymology.
For what it's worth, there are old maps of the Horn where the northern Somali territories are identified as Sabthecha:

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What or who was "Sabthecha"? According to Abrahamic tradition, he was one of the sons of Cush, who in turn was a son of Ham:

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That right there should tell you that the ancients were already well aware that the area was by that time predominantly inhabited by peoples of Hamitic origin. So what samaalenoble has suggested is actually not all that strange. It, in fact, has historical precedents.

Re: The winner of The New Hamitic Continent's Naming Contest

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:36 pm
by Bilis
jalaaludin5 wrote:Sharaf. Sharaf. Doesn't quiet fit.

Sharaf. Naah. Doesn't sound right.
Saxiib, what do you make of the paternal haplogroup tree below?

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Notice how 80% of Somalis from Somalia carry the V32 subclade of the E1b1b haplogroup (use the "+" and "Ctrl" symbols on your keyboard to make it larger). This subclade evolved out of the V12 subbranch of E1b1b, which as you can also see is today mainly found among Southern Egyptians.

Do you think this is perhaps a coincidence as well? :geek: