Do You Agree/Disagree with this Margaret Thatcher's quote? Why and why not?

[gegiroor]

Who the fuck cares or gives credence to what some stupid dead rightwing cow said or did

[gegiroor]

Maybe MT was alluding to the American experience and believe in Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism. A new nation that has come to dominate old Europe and the world.

Niya

I think I had small orgasm reading "American Exceptionalism" God bless the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Indeed, God Bless.

No, you did not. You're indeed too old to have an orgasm. Afkay kaaga hadhay, and that is why you constantly talk about it.

I am a fan of Basra

[gegiroor]

Who the fuck cares or gives credence to what some stupid dead rightwing cow said or did

Who the %=#!& cares, you ask? You should, for one. Because this "stupid dead rightwing cow" was stronger and more successful(regardless of how you define success) than any Somali leader/halyeey/ruler that has ever lived. Now that I think of it, she was stronger and more successful than 90% of any Muslim sultan/ruler/caliph that have ever lived. Maragret Thatcher > Mucawiya/Xajaaj/al-mansor and plenty of others.

You should also care because she broke the glass ceiling of politics and proved to the world that women can govern & rule just as, if not better, than men.

in the country, because of her, 6 million took a stake in British businesses, and 1 million bought their council homes. For many more—including refugees like my father, who came here with nothing—she nurtured the flicker of aspiration, inspiring people, regardless of their background, to believe that as a result of hard work, their dreams of prosperity and a better quality of life lay within their grasp. That message resonated not just in Britain, but around the world

But you know why you should care the most? Because, thanks to her progressive, compassionate immigration policy, you and your family were rescued from a Ethiopian refugee camp in 1989 and were given a free home, free healthcare, free dentistry(so you could fix your stained teeth), free education. Oh, and pray tell, how is that you ended up in the Ethiopian refugee camp in the hot summer of 1989? Did the Jewnited Zioniosts put you there? Was it the Free Masons? Or maybe Thanos? No, it was your fellow Somali-Muslims who shelled you with indiscriminate artillery, and bombarded you from the air, and had you running for your life.

Until HRM Maamo Elizabeth(/s) government led ably by Margaret Thatcher rescued you from a life of poverty & destitution and gave you the solid foundation and the tools to become the man you are today. Yet you remain ungrateful.

And, of course, in your primitive, literalist mind, she is a "dead rightwing cow" and a "woman", and women are not allowed to rule because a hadith says so, amirite? And in your primitive literalist mind, she is in hell, right? While the pilots and artiliery officers who shelled you and your family are going to heaven #BecauseMonotheism, right?

I wonder, when, if ever, will you grow out of this reflexively defensive, #HeavenAreBelongToUs, mindset? Besides the primitiveness of it, it's screams insecurity as well. Not a good look, sxb.

Here is Leftist taking it into a whole new level in his Uncle Ruckus thing:

[Leftist]

"Europe will never be like America. Europe is a product of history. America is a product of philosophy."

How do you interpret her quote?

Great topic, wish we had more of this.

The United States, was founded on what was at the time, and in many situations, still is, revolutionary philosophy, revolutionary ideals, and revolutionary principles.

Among them:

- freedom of religion. Whereas in Europe, religious minorities were persecuted untill they had to flee. Whereas in the Muslim world today, the persecution of religious minorities is standard operating procedure, even among the "educated". I remember right here on Snet, a few years ago when reports first surfaced of the enslavement of Yazidis, a number of Snetters, some who even claim to support democracy, were all like: "so what? they worship the devil and peacocks." In their primitive minds, if you don't belong to the "One & Only True faith", then you're automatically a "lesser" human being, and you're going to hell.

- all men are created equal. Whereas in Europe, monarchies ruled autocratically for centuries and there was a distinct class-caste system. In america, Ulysses Grant, the son of a tanner(literally, tumaale) accepted the surrender of Robert Lee, a scion of Virginia's uber-elite First Family, and with it destruction of Slavery. Whereas in the Muslim world today, slavery is still justified by clerics & laymen alike, in the name of "clinging on to tradition". Tradition beel & be damned, i say.

- freedom of speech. The blessed 1st ammendemnt. Since the very beginning of America, insulting & mocking the powerful & elite was a cherished pastime. Whereas in Europe(then) or the Muslim world(then & today), insulting the ruler or a member of the elite would get you jailed killed.

The fact of the matter is, the revolutionary ideals of the American experiment are here to stay. No man, no force, can change it. If the Mahdi, the foretold Messiah, comes out tomorrow, he will have no choice but to accept:

- abolishment of slavery
- equality of men & women, including in voting and in testimony.
- one wo/man- one vote.
- checks & balances in authority. No more "caliph" with limitless authority.
- freedom of speech.
- freedom of religion, including the freedom to leave any religion and enter any religion, anytime, anywhere.

And so on and so forth. the American experiment & the American experience is not perfect, it's been marred and tarnished by : colonialism & imperial war-fever, Jim Crow & racist laws, the rise of the oligarchy; but the ideals, principles, & philosophy that gave birth to the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, are a gift to all of mankind.

[Basra-]

Wow. Leftist after reading your last post--I am compelled to rise up and .....



PS: Thatcher cannot be --technically considered a normal 'woman'! I think she is more like a lipstick tom boy--a mild technical code word for a lesbo--but lets not get into that.



Mach

Oh certainly darling. U can refer to me as "Habar Yaar" any time. I have earned it.


Geg@looooool


I am so glad to find a "fan" as equal to the picture of intelligence and Somaliniimo.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

leftist, this is why no body takes you seriously. Your constant ceeb-riding of cadaans is quite frankly bordering on the obscene now. What has a topic about Margaret Thatcher got to do with Islam? You also credit cadaan Americans with the abolition of Slavery but never blame them for it's creation in the first place. As things go, the condition of a Slave during the Roman empire - 2 millennia ago - were better than that of the Africans in the new world who were chattel from the moment they were born to when they died. The Roman slaves could at least buy their freedom and lead a respectable and free life after being emancipated. Some of the greatest philosophers, writer, politicians were either slaves or descendants of slaves - and it's the same in the Muslim world. Whereas in the Americas even after slavery was outlawed, the life of an African American was not much better and sometimes even worse. Women and Asians got the right to vote before AAs did and that's not to mentioned the discrimination in education, work mortagages/loans, sports and film/theatre, as well as the lynchings, unfair trials, police brutality and extra judicial murders.

You also failed to mention the huge crimes against the indigeneous people of the New World by European colonizers, where entire human ethnic groups were wiped out due to slavery, rape, genocide and disease.

If you want to go on an anti-muslim tirade, I suggest you educate yourself with a little history of the west first.

[Rambie]

Hydro & Gig

[Machiavelli2]

Leftist

Ina Adeer, I do appreciate your intellect and regard you as the Somali missing link. We worship only Allah SWT and appreciate our prophet SAW bringing Islam to us. Tribalism is what destroyed Somalia and made poor Muslim Somalis destitute. We disagree with many things. We heard with what's wrong with our sectarianism mouth fed knowledge about issues such as slavery and others. Please acknowledge it. So many freedom statues were enacted even the rhetoric of the French Revolution was for all men to be equal, minus you as a Blackman. Our Prophet PBUH always preached equality of the races. Other than him, they are open to debate. We are Somalis and could only handle one argument at a time.

Glad you mentioned the Bill Of Rights. Most Europeans don't know about it and think they enjoy freedom.