It Has Begun...

[PureQ]

Zoomalis brought us to shame. They are calling destruction of others but can't from hating each other. The Zoomalis ate all of Somalia but the Habesha didn't destroy their infrastructures or urban cities in both Ethiopia and Eritrea for 30 years while the Zoomalis did in 5 years.

Only 4 million Tigray are able to control 83 million Ethiopians, 12 million Zoomalis and 6 million Eritreans. In addition, over 100 million are under 4 million Tigray because they are united. It only took 600 Tigray fighters from overtaking the untouched Abis Ababa in 1991 but none of the Zoomalis were able to do that in Mogadishu and you think the Tigrays will give up Ethiopia to Amhara and Oromo?? Haha.

Good luck coping with 20+ million Ethiopian refugees coming into Somaliland-Somalia. Good luck when Oromo/Harari/Aferi and Ogaden who is right next to Zoomalia will turn Kil5 into a mega warzone over land and resources and potentially spilling over their territories. Good luck with the Habesha troops leave Somalia and Al Shabab will see this an opportunity to take over Somalia again.

[Xisab]

You sound incredibly mentally unstable and overly emotional for a man. Not exactly atypical for your kind. You started this thread with,

May the evil empire and it's stooges crumble...

And now it has become:

You're probably right. A stable ethiopia is probably best for now

You've swung from the extreme of nationalist to a typical isaac separatist faster than you change your nigis.

Then you talk about congitive dissonance? Do you even know what that term actually means or is this your attempt at coming across as the resident intellectual but falling flat on your face every time?

Kid, let me give you some advice: this nationalist shtick isn't working for you. Forget about Somalia and people who have nothing to do with you. Worry about your own country in Somaliland and what will benefit your kin. At least this way you will actually have a consistent ideology and won't look like the biggest f-king contradiction to trot the face of the Earth.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I think you need to consult a dictionary instead of just repeating words I type at me like a parrot. It's not mentally unstable to change your opinion based on better understanding of facts. I have come to the conclusion thanks to jalaaludin and a bit more research that in the long run ethiopia disintegrating would be a bad thing. That is called learning and self-reflection, something you have no concept of. Fyi that's not cognitive dissonance, as I am aware of being wrong about the situation and hence changed my stance to better fit my newfound understanding. Cognitive dissonance is claiming Somaliland is colony of ethiopia whilst AMISOM strip-search you in your own country.

I don't need advice from a guy who can't tell the difference between Somaliland and Somalia and cconflates their situation.

[26June1960]

@jalaaludin. You're probably right. A stable ethiopia is probably best for now

From, "May Ethiopia collapse" to "Ethiopia's existence is probably best for now" within 3 posts in his own Anti-Ethiopia thread. Clearly, you couldn't have changed your stance that easily. Something tells me this thread was a bait for the gullible Somali idiots, like the dumb ONLF supporters.

[Tuushi]

@jalaaludin. You're probably right. A stable ethiopia is probably best for now

From, "May Ethiopia collapse" to "Ethiopia's existence is probably best for now" within 3 posts in his own Anti-Ethiopia thread. Clearly, you couldn't have changed your stance that easily. Something tells me this thread was a bait for the gullible Somali idiots, like the dumb ONLF supporters.

Really nothing wrong with what happened.Takes guts to admit being wrong.

[Estarix]

WIth the collapse of Ethiopia Zoomalia will be overrun but with better people.

[Hararboy]

May the evil empire and it's stooges crumble...

Violent clashes in Ethiopia over 'master plan' to expand Addis

At least 10 students are said to have been killed and hundreds injured during protests against the Ethiopian government’s plans to expand the capital city into surrounding farmland.

The students were protesting against a controversial proposal, known as “the master plan”, to expand Addis Ababa into surrounding Oromia state, which they say will threaten local farmers with mass evictions.

According to the Ethiopian constitution, Oromia is one of the nine politically autonomous regional states in the country, and the region’s Oromo people make up the largest ethnic group in Ethiopia.

However, rights groups say the Oromo have been systematically marginalised and persecuted for the last 24 years. By some estimates, there were as many as 20,000 Oromo political prisoners in Ethiopia as of March 2014.

t’s not the first time the security forces have reacted violently to protests in support of the group. At least nine students were killed in May 2014 while defending the rights of famers in the region when the “master plan” was first announced.

In response to the violence, Amnesty International issued a report on government repression last year, noting that “between 2011 and 2014, at least 5,000 Oromos [were] arrested based on their actual or suspected peaceful opposition to the government.”

The human rights organisation found that in numerous cases “actual or suspected [Oromo] dissenters were detained without charge or trial, killed by security services during protests, arrests and in detention.”

The ruling elite and members of government are mostly from the Tigray region, which is located in the northern part of the country.
Social media

The Ethiopian media has paid little attention to the protests. Demonstrators have been taking to Facebook and Twitter to report the clashes, with additional coverage coming from diaspora media.

“The Oromo youth are a powerful political entity capable of shaking mountains,” one Facebook user, Aga Teshome, wrote in support of the protesters. “This powerful political entity is hell bent on exposing the [ruling party] EPRDF government’s atrocious human rights record and all round discriminatory practices.”

Another user said more should be done to shine light on the movement: “The silence has truly been deafening. We need to see and hear the inspiring actions undertaken by huge numbers of ‪#‎Oromo‬ in ‪#‎Ethiopia.”

Desu Tefera echoed the calls for better media coverage: “We call upon the media to investigate the conditions that these students died trying to expose and resist,” he wrote.

“Oromia needs a new kind of reporting by the international media, which gives voice to the voiceless Oromo people, who for a very long time have been killed, mistreated, abused, neglected and repressed in Ethiopia.”
Dubious development

For many Ethiopians, this week’s clashes show that the issue of Oromo rights refuses to go away.

Protests against the master plan for expansion first began in April last year, when students from outside the capital argued that if the proposal was implemented, it would result in Addis further encroaching into the surrounding territory, allowing the capital to subsume surrounding towns and leaving informal settlements vulnerable to government redevelopment.

The government rejected the accusation, claiming that the plan was intended only to facilitate the development of infrastructure such as transportation, utilities and recreation centres.

The unrest halted the development until now, but in November resentment boiled over again when it became clear the government had resumed its plan.

Since the highly contested 2005 national election forceful evictions and urban land grabbing have become frequent in Addis and its environs, opposition groups say. The city’s rapid growth has resulted in increasing pressure to convert rural land for industrial, housing or other urban use.

The population of the capital is estimated to have grown at a rate of 3.8% per year since 2007, but the repurposing of land in order to accommodate the expansion has been a particularly contentious issue.

Ermias Legesse, a high profile government defector, has argued that since 2000 the Addis Ababa city municipality, with the support of the federal government, has enacted five different pieces of legislation to “legalise” informal settlements, allowing them to be sold on to private property developers.

“Sometimes the informal settlers are given only a few days’ notices before bulldozers arrive on the scene to tear down their shabby houses and lay foundations for new investors,” Legesse said in an interview last week.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... a-students

This happens every couple of years, the Woynnes does somethign to upet the braindead Oromo peasants, they call their secessionist supporters from the Diaspora, they protest for a few weeks, then woyenne cuts a deal for the Oromos.
If Oromos were to secede tho, and take all their territories, there will be ethnic cleansing by all ethnic groups like in Bosnia and Serbia. Oromos claim too many territories that other ethnic groups like the Gurages, Amhara shewans, Ogadenis and tens of other minor ethnic groups claim. These ethnic groups who all have longstanding disagreement with Oromos will ally themselves with the Woyenne and Oromos will lose alot of their territories in their killil. Oromos Secession will just give the Habeshas a reason to push out Oromos from Shewa and Wollo too. Most Ethiopians know everyones been mixing for far too long so they are against balkanisation, most dont want the current TPLF leadership either.

[Siciid85]

Stable Ethiopia is in our interest. I just want them to leave us alone and not come to our country and we also not go to theirs. The worst thing would be 90 million fleeing civil war; we would be swallowed up within 48hrs. Sheesh no thanks

[JSL3000]

We already have one failed state in the horn of Africa which is somalia and we dont need another one, so a stable ethiopia is a must and plus somaliland we can't handle influx of refugees that size is unbearable.

[Revolutionary]

If Ethiopia gets divided and Tigray goes back to Tigray and declare independence, Eritrea will have a civil war because Tigray sees Eritrea and Afar region as part of Greater Tigray. It never happened until Ras Alula and Yohannes tried to after obtaining modern weapons from Europe but Italy blackmailed the local leaders (Saho and Afari) for protection if they agreed to be colonized and they reluctantly did to counter-balance the threat of the Gondari dwellers (Abyssinians).

No one will accept it beside some of the 1970s of the identical re-engineered chauvinistic Tigrinias. If the chauvinistic Amhara takes over Ethiopia again, they'll try reclaim some lands through violence since 90% of their rule between 1420s to 1990s have been nothing but wars, subjugation and poverty. Many of the surroundings will feel intimidated unlike today.

No one wants to see a full blown civil war all over the Horns that will result million death. There's no room for the million displaced in North East Africa and other regions that have been to risky for us today. You want the ethnic that have been locked up in their chains for many decades to be freed and begin fighting for land and resources and who knows what they will do since most of their territorial claims collide in all within Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia, even Sudan and Kenya as well?

I have no problem with this if they want to change names, flags, languags even i want to in my land BUT that IF they stop worshipping their ethnic/tribal bull and push for a unity then there's a way for a regime change and freedom rights for every ethnic. This is not 1500s anymore.

[JSL3000]

If Ethiopia gets divided and Tigray goes back to Tigray and declare independence, Eritrea will have a civil war because Tigray sees Eritrea and Afar region as part of Greater Tigray. It never happened until Ras Alula and Yohannes tried to after obtaining modern weapons from Europe but Italy blackmailed the local leaders (Saho and Afari) for protection if they agreed to be colonized and they reluctantly did to counter-balance the threat of the Gondari dwellers (Abyssinians).

No one will accept it beside some of the 1970s of the identical re-engineered chauvinistic Tigrinias. If the chauvinistic Amhara takes over Ethiopia again, they'll try reclaim some lands through violence since 90% of their rule between 1420s to 1990s have been nothing but wars, subjugation and poverty. Many of the surroundings will feel intimidated unlike today.

No one wants to see a full blown civil war all over the Horns that will result million death. There's no room for the million displaced in North East Africa and other regions that have been to risky for us today. You want the ethnic that have been locked up in their chains for many decades to be freed and begin fighting for land and resources and who knows what they will do since most of their territorial claims collide in all within Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia, even Sudan and Kenya as well?

I have no problem with this if they want to change names, flags, languags even i want to in my land BUT that IF they stop worshipping their ethnic/tribal bull and push for a unity then there's a way for a regime change and freedom rights for every ethnic. This is not 1500s anymore.

exactly

[AwRastaale]

It's not like lawless Wanlawein. Nothing major will happen even with major armed confortations. One group will vacate and the other will just bring his pillow to Menelik Palace and order army to change command.


Sort of like this...



Few days later



Only in Walaeein do they destroy lives, cities, infrastructure and lay landmines even in children playgrounds.

[Hyperactive]

i do not understand why one would wish others to be distroyed, why not wish for us to be better and build ours!!

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

i do not understand why one would wish others to be distroyed, why not wish for us to be better and build ours!!

I would agree with you if Ethiopia was a peaceful neighbour. But they are constantly meddling in Somali affairs and fueling anarchy. If the world just left Somalia alone, one side would've won a long time ago. Lakiin, it's the constant backing this group then backing that group, then arming these people then arming those people. Of course this is also mainly due to dumb Somalis who can't get along. But Ethiopia isn't an innocent country.

[BlueBlood]

gullible Somali idiots, like the dumb ONLF supporters.

As an ONLF supporter, that statement really hurt me

sxb i dont know what u have against onlf and im sure u are not a dabaqoodhi who supports ina iley because i remember at one time you were having a go at ogadens for submitting to gumeysi and being mentally enslaved by xabashis ( totally agree with u but not all ogadens just some ).....and now you here insulting onlf supporters
dont u know what onlf is trying to achieve mise munaafiqnimada somalida has blinded u.

maybe u think that onlf is a useless jabhad but ask yourself what is the percentage of somalis in ethiopia? maybe 6%...of those 6% , how many are ogadens? 3.3%.....of the 3.3%, how many support onlf? may be 1 %...marka sxb how do u expect 1% of the total ethiopian population to defeat a strong military gov..nevertheless ONLF is the only liberation front that malez and tigreys were willing to negotiate with ...before malez died walahi he invited odayaal ogaden ah and he was really trying to find solution.

i will remind onlf haters that the very little developments that the dabaqoodhis in jigjiga celebrate for was achieved due to the struggle of onlf.

back to the topic, if Ethiopia crumble now...unlike 1991 we are ready and we will liberate our country insha allah