Illinois professor suspended for saying Muslims, Christians worship same God

[SahanGalbeed]

She should sue them ASAP.

If a professor at an Islamic university says that Jesus is the Son of God and that he died and resurrected; would you want him to continue teaching at the Islamic university?

She didn't say anything like that . She did it by solidarity . Yes Jews , Christians and muslims are Abrahamic religion called people of the Book . You reason like a Kikuyu . Suppose everybody is pissing on themselves and I decide not to do it . Does the poor hygienic behaviour of others bound me not to do otherwise ? In this instance it is the evengelicals who took offense of their God being compared to ours , when in fact what she said is the simplest of statement .
Anyway look at the number your evengelicals newly founded masters have run on Sth Sudan . In the pretense of liberating them through Christ { the evangelical way }from the muslim northern slavers , they've unleashed the devil upon them , and when it became too bloody for their taste they've washed their hands from the whole thing .Way to go evangelicals !
Christianity is not meant for your race

[BeyondQabil]

She should sue them ASAP.

If a professor at an Islamic university says that Jesus is the Son of God and that he died and resurrected; would you want him to continue teaching at the Islamic university?

She didn't say anything like that . She did it by solidarity . Yes Jews , Christians and muslims are Abrahamic religion called people of the Book . You reason like a Kikuyu . Suppose everybody is pissing on themselves and I decide not to do it . Does the poor hygienic behaviour of others bound me not to do otherwise ? In this instance it is the evengelicals who took offense of their God being compared to ours , when in fact what she said is the simplest of statement .
Anyway look at the number your evengelicals newly founded masters have run on Sth Sudan . In the pretense of liberating them through Christ { the evangelical way }from the muslim northern slavers , they've unleashed the devil upon them , and when it became too bloody for their taste they've washed their hands from the whole thing .Way to go evangelicals !
Christianity is not meant for your race

When you look at countries like Zoomalia and Northern Nigeria, do you think Islam was meant for your race?

That question will help you see the stupidity of your argument. The rules of good argument demand that you stick to the issues raised and not introduce extraneous issues. Indeed, it is only Siciid85 (even though I disagree with his conclusion,) who seems to have grasped the theological implications of her position. Go to ummah Forum and you'll find this discussion over and over again. It is not about Darood Vs. Hawiye Vs. kikuyu. Unfortunately, it seems that that's the furthest that your brains can go and so I'll not waste my time debating with you. The most that i can do is to tell you to Go ask a "scholar" what he thinks.

[Itrah]

Anyway look at the number your evengelicals newly founded masters have run on Sth Sudan . In the pretense of liberating them through Christ { the evangelical way }from the muslim northern slavers , they've unleashed the devil upon them , and when it became too bloody for their taste they've washed their hands from the whole thing .Way to go evangelicals !
Christianity is not meant for your race

The barbarity in South Sudan has nothing to do with Christianity. It is just niggers being niggers.

[SahanGalbeed]

Kikuyu boy , the root of the problem in Somalia is tribal . Their system was destroyed by colonisation and communism . I hail from Somaliland , when left alone , we can function better than the Kikuyu christian believe me .

Your point is invalid , when tested against her statement . In Judaism and Islam , God is one . In Christianity God is 3 , the father , the son and the relation between the 2 , the holly spirit , correct ? Who does it start with ? the Father . Do christians reject it ? no ! That's why they are considered people of the Book .This whole question is about one of inclusivity in religion as opposed to marginalizing those who do not think like you , that's what it comes down to .
Settle down Kikuyu , my last comment was meant as a banter , seems like you all took the bait . Easily unnerved

In somali we call it yool baadh , probing shots , look at Itrah religious and racial bigot !

[BeyondQabil]

Kikuyu boy , the root of the problem in Somalia is tribal . Their system was destroyed by colonisation and communism . I hail from Somaliland , when left alone , we can function better than the Kikuyu christian believe me .

Your point is invalid , when tested against her statement . In Judaism and Islam , God is one . In Christianity God is 3 , the father , the son and the relation between the 2 , the holly spirit , correct ? Who does it start with ? the Father . Do christians reject it ? no ! That's why they are considered people of the Book .This whole question is about one of inclusivity in religion as opposed to marginalizing those who do not think like you , that's what it comes down to .
Settle down Kikuyu , my last comment was meant as a banter , seems like you all took the bait . Easily unnerved

In somali we call it yool baadh , probing shots , look at Itrah religious and racial bigot !

Now you get my logic...Neither Zoomalia nor South Sudan is in any way related to this argument. If you had the brains as little as a peanut, you'd know that the problems in Sudan are tribal too. Don't you know that?

Which point is invalid? Which point have i made?

Let me make it easier for you so that you don't fudge.

MUSLIMS SEEK TO WORSHIP THE GOD THAT THE CHRISTIANS WORSHIP, BUT THEY ARE DOING IT WRONGLY.

This is not about inclusivity. This is a doctrinal question. Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? It is not about the number of gods in the universe. She is trying to fidget with doctrine so that she can advance "inclusivity." That's absurd.

What are you going to tell us next? That Muslims and Hindus worship the same god?

as for believing in one God, let me give you a verse from the Bible for that.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God; you do well: the demons also believe, and tremble.

There is nothing special about believing in the existence of One God. Even the devils believe that - and they tremble in the presence of God. The Somalis, Kikuyus, Luhyas, and many other African tribes were monotheists. Does that mean that they were worshiping the same God as the Christians?

[SahanGalbeed]

Beyondqabil , my brother , let me be serious here for a minute . There is actually a nuance I would argue . Christians do not believe in a God that is 3 , but a God that is 1+2. {nuance}I am not really sure about the jews , but I suppose that just like the evengelical christians believe that the jews are going to convert and only chrsitians will be let in the Kingdom of God , the muslims believe that only them will be favored by God .
The muslims recognise the bible as the word of God , however the Quran is an upgrade , basically .We're venturing into pissing contest territory here , which is exactly the opposite of the point she is trying to make .
I applaud her for her courage and her sentiment .

[gegiroor]

Kikuyu boy , the root of the problem in Somalia is tribal . Their system was destroyed by colonisation and communism . I hail from Somaliland , when left alone , we can function better than the Kikuyu christian believe me .

Your point is invalid , when tested against her statement . In Judaism and Islam , God is one . In Christianity God is 3 , the father , the son and the relation between the 2 , the holly spirit , correct ? Who does it start with ? the Father . Do christians reject it ? no ! That's why they are considered people of the Book .This whole question is about one of inclusivity in religion as opposed to marginalizing those who do not think like you , that's what it comes down to .
Settle down Kikuyu , my last comment was meant as a banter , seems like you all took the bait . Easily unnerved

In somali we call it yool baadh , probing shots , look at Itrah religious and racial bigot !

Now you get my logic...Neither Zoomalia nor South Sudan is in any way related to this argument. If you had the brains as little as a peanut, you'd know that the problems in Sudan are tribal too. Don't you know that?

Which point is invalid? Which point have i made?

Let me make it easier for you so that you don't fudge.

MUSLIMS SEEK TO WORSHIP THE GOD THAT THE CHRISTIANS WORSHIP, BUT THEY ARE DOING IT WRONGLY.

This is not about inclusivity. This is a doctrinal question. Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? It is not about the number of gods in the universe. She is trying to fidget with doctrine so that she can advance "inclusivity." That's absurd.

What are you going to tell us next? That Muslims and Hindus worship the same god?

as for believing in one God, let me give you a verse from the Bible for that.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God; you do well: the demons also believe, and tremble.

There is nothing special about believing in the existence of One God. Even the devils believe that - and they tremble in the presence of God. The Somalis, Kikuyus, Luhyas, and many other African tribes were monotheists. Does that mean that they were worshiping the same God as the Christians?

The wrong one here is you and anyone who believes the same thing that you believe in. For instance, you call Jesus (pbuh) "Yeshua`". Yeshua` - This name is rooted in the word "yasha`" meaning "safety" in Hebrew. The Problem with that theory is the fact that this name means "He is saved". If he is God then who saved him? If this name is a sign of divinity then what of the others with the name Yeshua`? Were they the "only begotten son of God" as well?

If Jesus was God, then:

(1) why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

(2) If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for GOD's Forgiveness in Luke 23:34?

Luke 23: 34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." [1] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

If Jesus was GOD, then why Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

If Jesus was GOD, then did Paul say in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD Almighty is Good: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was asked about the truth?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew 5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him and give him mercy by saving him from death?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 1:18 he said "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER'S side, has made HIM known." Where do you see Trinity in this Verse?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 5:37 he said "And the FATHER who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS form," Jesus and the GOD are different. People heard Jesus, but never heard GOD.


What a bloody contradiction!

[gegiroor]

The "Son" title also given to others beside Jesus:

How come Christians take the "God's Son" title literally with Jesus and they don't take it literally for the rest of the prophets and people who were called the Sons of God?

In John 3:16 Jesus was called God's only Begotten Son.

In Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Israel was called God's First Son.

In Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim is God's First Son and First Born.

In Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." David was called God's Begotten Son.

[GAMES]

She should sue them ASAP.

If a professor at an Islamic university says that Jesus is the Son of God and that he died and resurrected; would you want him to continue teaching at the Islamic university?

LooL another atheist on SNet?

SMH.

[gegiroor]

For us (Muslims), the Holy Quran is very clear:

"When the angels said to Mary, 'O Mary! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be 'al-MaseeHu `Eesa', the son of Mary; Honorable in this world and in the hereafter, and from those who are near (to Allah)."
[al-Qur'aan, Surah Aal-`Imraan, 3:45]

And the similtude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam. He created him from dust and said to him 'Be', and he came to be."
[al-Qur'aan,. Aal-`Imran, 3:59]

No contradiction Islam, Jesus the Son of Mary was created by Allah, and he had no father and was not the Son of God.

Allah has made it very clear in Surah al-Ikhlas ( Chapter 112, literally: "The Chapter of Purity") that makes it equal to one third of the Qur'an:

"Say! He is God, the One!
"The Eternally Besought of all!
"He does not beget, nor is He begotten.
"And there is nothing comparable to Him."