Making Sense of The Greatest Political Turmoil That's Brewing

[Django]

Lmfaooooo half of Jilib is OG yaab... them kdf kno how to brain wash these ppl...

Most of middle juba is owned by D&M and bantu.. around jilib area is mostly biyomaal and sheekhaal and other hawiye clan... there are more gaaljecal in bakool than there are og....

If wishes were horses beggers would ride on them.How do you back up your claim becasue both historicaly and recently it has never happened.
Iam just curious to know when iljex become the best anthropologists in the region.
You guys propagate lies and feed them to some gullible masses make sure you have UDF to back up your claim.

[abashir527]

Its not a claim but facts... holla at me once you go to jubbaland and see for yourself

[Strategic]

You can write non-sense here and there but the reality is different,d&m has historically lived in the area,i repeat your clan is not MAJORITY in Jl,You need to accept that and live peacefully among the people Just because KDF Is there doesnt Mean you are Majority,They are part of AMISOM and Leave when their mandate ends and replaced by properly equipped SNA.raxanweyn in Xamar are idps but we have talking about historic degaans in jubba,madoobe cant venture outside kismayo and even in kismayo he is being protected left and right.that is why he made a deal with the gov and Culusow is clever man he supports peace in Kismayo unlike gaas who wants to fight hawiye,d&m at the same time.lol

[AwRastaale]

Konfuur are some weird people. 24/7 they talk about war from child, elder, religious, business, woman, mother, cleric, student and yet they never win any war.

They also do not get if you ain't winning, make peace.

Everyone whooped their azzes from Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM, SNM, Americans, Italians...

The whooping continues so do their big mouths

You will remain in the same status quo until either Ethiopia takes full control or Kenya extend NFD.

[Strategic]

AW
ethiopia is a third world country,they cant control their country what makes you think they will venture out.just imagine what a poor soilder from mekelle can do in buaale,Barawe,Mogadishu or Kismayo.Mogadishu and Baidabo jointly will swallow kismayo as they are getting richer and security improves.what is the future for SL

[Arcturus]

Shabab is an excuse!

Federalism benefits those corrupt Elite that would be rewarded when Somalia-Italia is auctioned of in pieces. The objective is minimize any resistance outside of a specific federal-unit. When Nugaal is auctioned off, all other 11-Gobols will standby and cheer as the transaction is concluded. Like wise with all other gobols.

Centralism has been blamed, did anyone ever ask who conducted a scientific study?
- What aspects of centralism?
- Who among somalis really understands true centralist model?
- Who conducted a study to approve Federalism?

Perhaps there are other models?
Maybe it is not even any particular model, rather the mindset of those attempting to employ the model. There is no national-social-capital nor Social-Trust as a consequence each member must exploit any all systems/models for Self-Benefit. "Me and my cousin against my neighbor; Me and mu brother against our cousin; My interests against those of my brother. Death to nationhood, there is only a pretense of collective membership. Membership to something called "Country".

Quick fix: Somalia-Italia needs a War with an external enemy. In the heat of battle you will all loose the SELFISH attitude and become forced to depend on each other for survival. That enemy must present a real THREAT, ruling unrecognized Ghost-states out, since a real uniting victory requires a REAL LIVING ENEMY with a desire to deprive you of physical assets. Prospects are YEMEN to gain Socotra island, Kenya to occupy NFD or Ethiopia to occupy Ogadeen. You are more then welcome to try Somaliland, just remember, it is home to docile wasps until you shake their hive. once stung twice shy?

The FOOL is KING in the land of the LAZY!

[Strategic]

Quick fix: Somalia-Italia needs a War with an external enemy. In the heat of battle you will all loose the SELFISH attitude and become forced to depend on each other for survival. That enemy must present a real THREAT, ruling unrecognized Ghost-states out, since a real uniting victory requires a REAL LIVING ENEMY with a desire to deprive you of physical assets. Prospects are YEMEN to gain Socotra island, Kenya to occupy NFD or Ethiopia to occupy Ogadeen. You are more then welcome to try Somaliland, just remember, it is home to docile wasps until you shake their hive. once stung twice shy?

what Somali-italia needs is a strong-infrastracture to help first stand its feet,Once Mogadishu-Kismayo-baydhaba-have strong institutions that function,internal security apparatus that can maintain law and order that is it..money=power
yemen socotra is far sighted,kenya is not an enemy,but ethiopia can expect few skirmishes there and there but overall we are happy with good relations with ethiopia,we dont need to wage war.it is useless.

[Arcturus]

Quick fix: Somalia-Italia needs a War with an external enemy. In the heat of battle you will all loose the SELFISH attitude and become forced to depend on each other for survival. That enemy must present a real THREAT, ruling unrecognized Ghost-states out, since a real uniting victory requires a REAL LIVING ENEMY with a desire to deprive you of physical assets. Prospects are YEMEN to gain Socotra island, Kenya to occupy NFD or Ethiopia to occupy Ogadeen. You are more then welcome to try Somaliland, just remember, it is home to docile wasps until you shake their hive. once stung twice shy?

what Somali-italia needs is a strong-infrastracture to help first stand its feet,Once Mogadishu-Kismayo-baydhaba-have strong institutions that function,internal security apparatus that can maintain law and order that is it..money=power
yemen socotra is far sighted,kenya is not an enemy,but ethiopia can expect few skirmishes there and there but overall we are happy with good relations with ethiopia,we dont need to wage war.it is useless.

Optimists are what is left.

Infrastructure without Human Capital is ornamental!, Even advanced technology, wealth and stature cannot BUILD a sustainable NATION:

If you are building a BAZAAR-STATE, who benefits but a small set of Elite-Importers?

Is this STATEHOOD by Trial&Error 101?

[Strategic]

I am Just saying we should not do what siad barre did ,go to war with ethiopia with No benefits at all.somalis in ethiopia has their own region ,their policies and that should be enough,we dont need to go to war with ethiopia,we have learnt our bitter lessons,kenya and somalia have good relatiosn we need to strenghten those relations,yemen can stay where it is .as somalia gets stronger and stronger,the strongest we can do is claim-claim only,people have learnt messing with ethiopia,kenya is worthless,money consuming and overall pointless.lets wait 50 years and recover slowly ,slowly.Today,more and more people are returning to mogadishu for job opportunity which is not found in other locations.thus the reason mogadishu gets more money invested in it.if somalis are smart,we should have a second strong city not too far away from mogadishu.

[Arcturus]

I am Just saying we should not do what siad barre did ,go to war with ethiopia with No benefits at all.somalis in ethiopia has their own region ,their policies and that should be enough,we dont need to go to war with ethiopia,we have learnt our bitter lessons,kenya and somalia have good relatiosn we need to strenghten those relations,yemen can stay where it is .as somalia gets stronger and stronger,the strongest we can do is claim-claim only,people have learnt messing with ethiopia,kenya is worthless,money consuming and overall pointless.lets wait 50 years and recover slowly ,slowly.Today,more and more people are returning to mogadishu for job opportunity which is not found in other locations.thus the reason mogadishu gets more money invested in it.if somalis are smart,we should have a second strong city not too far away from mogadishu.

If you aim is the betterment of your country and people then i can't argue. In order to be true to your words Begin with finding a NEW flag for Somalia-Italia-STATE.

Belongs to a union of 5-countries!

[Django]

Its not a claim but facts... holla at me once you go to jubbaland and see for yourself

How is an iljex more knowledgable in absame affairs than absame.
War if you are a concerned citizen ask your relatives to give back the properties they stole.
Also speak out against your kins occupying peoples land in Lower Shabelle.

Let Absame and Elay sort themselves out.

[guhad122]

Patriot,
Arguing with Iljeex whose story in Somali politics started with the Walaalaha Galguud doesn't deserve your time and debates. If he just reads and tries to understand a bit about how the Somali parliamentary seats were distributed during the democratic elections in the 1960s. Absame had at least 10 Mps out of the 120 parliamentary seats:
1. Afmadow 4
2. Jamaame 2
3. Jilib 1
4. Baardheere 2
5. Bakool 1
6. Lugh Ghanaane 1 -only one election

If he is questioning Jamaame, out of the three seats from Jamaame, two were always Ogaden. Two brothers had it in lockdown:
1. Hilowle Macalin - First Somali defense minister
2. Cumar Macalin - First Somali ambassador to USA - just google their names

For Jilib, there were two seats, and Ogaden had one - Xuseen Jiis of Bahgeri was always sent to the parliament from Jilib.

As for Iljeex and Walaalaha Galguduud, entire Habar Gidir had three seats: 1 from Hobyo, two from Dhuusa Mareeb. Mareexaan had one from Dhuusa Mareeb. Together Walaalaha Galguduud had 4 seats maximum Walaalhay. Remember back then Mudug included Galguduud.

Following link the chart on how the seats were distributed. It may not have been the perfect democratic system but overwhelmingly, members of the parliaments were elected by their clans in their districts.
https://operationoverload.wordpress.com ... 1960-1969/

[MarsinQorahay]

Konfuur are some weird people. 24/7 they talk about war from child, elder, religious, business, woman, mother, cleric, student and yet they never win any war.

They also do not get if you ain't winning, make peace.

Everyone whooped their azzes from Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM, SNM, Americans, Italians...

The whooping continues so do their big mouths

You will remain in the same status quo until either Ethiopia takes full control or Kenya extend NFD.

Excuse me, Come again? Did you seriously and forcefully press "SNM" in that list?

[theyuusuf143]

Konfuur are some weird people. 24/7 they talk about war from child, elder, religious, business, woman, mother, cleric, student and yet they never win any war.

They also do not get if you ain't winning, make peace.

Everyone whooped their azzes from Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM, SNM, Americans, Italians...

The whooping continues so do their big mouths

You will remain in the same status quo until either Ethiopia takes full control or Kenya extend NFD.

Excuse me, Come again? Did you seriously and forcefully press "SNM" in that list?

SNM whooped Said barre forces from the south.

[Django]