The Rise of Wahabism in Somalia after 1990

[Hyperactive]

tuushi, that is what somali men end up my dear. i am just little ashammed how we end up. i blame Sauds for everything happening in this forum.

[shimbiraale]

Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

I had never known Somalis to be so protective over any mention of Wahabism.

[Inaayah]

I'm seriously tired of this topic.

Walahi this site is making me have this not so good permanent image of what is passing as men these.From hardcore attentions whore,the braggart drunk and filthy qabiilist.

What happened to the normal people?


As for the,who are these mythical creatures called wahabi?

Tuushi- This post is soooooooo on point!

[gegiroor]

Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

I had never known Somalis to be so protective over any mention of Wahabism.

Al-Wahhaab (The Bestower) is one of the names of Allah. A Muslim wouldn't be tossing around Allah's name the way some people do.

[gegiroor]

Like the Somali proverb says, "Baroortu ogiga ka weyn," many Muslims can smell the agenda of the people who are obsessed with certain Muslim sects from miles away! I strongly urge people to build a profile for the people who constantly repeat this topic in this and other forums. You will definitely find where they all fit

[shimbiraale]

That's what the movement is called, named many centuries ago. I didn't name it. If you propose we use an alternative name for it, feel free to post them.

No one is forcing you to post in the thread, gegiroor. If you dislike such topics, it's quite easy to not click or post. A lack of posts will ensure that the topic dies. Yet continuing to post here will keep it alive. So I wonder why that is. Unlike what you had done, I won't assume things about your own beliefs and motives just because you disagree with me.

[smooth]

I follow the beautiful Islam my forefathers practiced, I pay every year for Siyaaro, we offer duco, quran recitations and sacrifices on behalf of our ancestors.
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There seems to be a real trend on these forums were almost all of these ignoramus shirk loving deen bashers are secessionist, it was the same stories in the 80's were the Deen was openly cursed on the streets of Hargaisa, you have 2 secessionist Gaalo on this forum alone one being buddhist, cajiib.

[shimbiraale]

There seems to be a real trend on these forums were almost all of these ignoramus shirk loving deen bashers are secessionist, it was the same stories in the 80's were the Deen was openly cursed on the streets of Hargaisa, you have 2 secessionist Gaalo on this forum alone one being buddhist, cajiib.

He said he follows Islam. At the very least, can we refrain from practically calling self-confessed Muslims gaalo?

[zumaale]

AbdiWahab was a religious reformer, he was not the architect of a new Islamic sect. The movement that he started is similar in spirit to the Protestant puritanical movements of the 16th century.

There is no beating around the bush that Somalis were less knowledgeable in Islam before colonisation than after it. As more students began to travel to Islamic centres of learning such as Azhar and Madina, their knowledge of the Deen increased. During our nomadic past, we were mainly not the most enlightened of Muslims. For example, it was a custom of Somali girls not to cover their hair until they were married. One could differentiate maidens from married women simply by how they wore their hair. Thus, those arguing that 'Wahabbis' corrupted the pristine Deen of the Somalis should do some basic research before they jump on the Anti-'Salafi' brigade.

As for emulating the dress of Gulf Arabs, it is just a bloody item of clothing. Which is more alien to the Somali, Western or Arab dress codes? Somalis traditionally shared more with the Arabs as a result of trade and religion than with Europeans but it is only due to the cultural and political dominance of the West that their dress code has subconsciously become the 'norm' in most of the world.

I for one do not wear a Khamis nor did I wear one when spent part of my childhood in the Middle East. Personally, I find it and the Macawis restrictive but to label it a foreign item of clothing whilst ignoring the other foreign dress codes we have imported is utter hypocrisy. To each his own me thinks.

[Ben Dover]

While there is an intriguing belief among Saudis and non-Saudis that their cultural dress is somehow more religious than other cultures', despite the fact that some cultures cover the same amounts of skin, the point is not to shame people who choose to dress this way. Walaal, we should be able to freely discuss these subjects and our beliefs without targeting individuals for their views.

If they could provide one solid reason for choosing the Saudi getup as opposed to Somali then perhaps I would be less disparaging in discussing their choices.

And dont pay much attention to Smooth, yellow journalism incarnate, who is in the business of making up fake websites and attaching fabricated Swedish names to lend an aura of authority to his delusional diatribes. He is a sad case of unemployment meets unfettered internet access.

[shimbiraale]

Harar has been a centre of Islamic education for some time. Some even consider it to be the fourth holiest city in Islam. Considering its proximity to Somali towns, it was accessible to Somalis. So unless you are suggesting that only Arabs can teach Islam, how is it that Somalis (and other Horners) remained ignorant on Islamic teachings until they were able to travel en masse to Arab countries? One's ethnicity does not affect their understanding or lack of understanding of a religion.

In the diaspora, many wear jeans and other Western attire. The difference is that we understand that it is not Somali culture. We are simply wearing the clothing common to the culture of the societies we live in. However, Saudi clothing has replaced traditional Somali clothing. These changes in many aspects of our culture will likely lead to the disappearance of most indigenous features of our culture if things do not change. That is why this discussion is worthwhile.

[Ben Dover]

As for emulating the dress of Gulf Arabs, it is just a bloody item of clothing. Which is more alien to the Somali, Western or Arab dress codes? Somalis traditionally shared more with the Arabs as a result of trade and religion than with Europeans but it is only due to the cultural and political dominance of the West that their dress code has subconsciously become the 'norm' in most of the world.

I for one do not wear a Khamis nor did I wear one when spent part of my childhood in the Middle East. Personally, I find it and the Macawis restrictive but to label it a foreign item of clothing whilst ignoring the other foreign dress codes we have imported is utter hypocrisy. To each his own me thinks.

Zuumale you're a sensible guy, the fuck outta here with this horseshit.

The Western dress code is found the world over, a by-product of shared history of colonialism and an extension of the West's softpower, waa wax aduunka aad laqabtid. I can understand that.

You can not argue for the Saudi khamiis. We do have ties with Arabs as a result of trade and religion but why the Saudi attire and not say, Egyptian? Moroccan? Algerian? Sudanese?

Would you not find it odd if Saudis started to dress up like Somalis around their mosques?

It is because of the perceived piety it supposedly emits whilst you wear it. Why do you think all of the Al Shabab militants in your regions just happen to also be from this puritanical Wahabi death cult?

Stop with the nonsense.

[theyuusuf143]

I am neither sunni nor shia let alone wahabi. I think people should follow only Prophet Mohammed era version of Islam. any thing after Mohammed csw is based on politics. abubkr vs Ali political feud was not different from todays' Clinton vs Sanders competition, same ideology different leaders. the difference between jihadis and Sufi is simple one have a plans to conquer other humans, the other is fun loving harmless person. Of course the West like the harmless Muslims, but the wahabis are not Wrong to use violence to reach their supremecy goals. You got to be extra violent to defeat an other Violent Boss.

Waa maadays aduunyadu dadkuna way metelayaan.

[Ben Dover]

Never thought I would see a Shakespeare reference in Somali

[TheFuturist]

Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

I had never known Somalis to be so protective over any mention of Wahabism.

Its a touchy subject some people are very sensitive about