my compromise with the great Somali nation

[Khalid Ali]

Eritreans speak Arabic they have sold themselves to the Arab league to the politics of the baath party.. Oromos cant pronounce certain elements with in the Arabic language Oromos need to sit more with the Hawiyes like Abdi wahaab Abdi wahaab and his clan the Hawiyes are good with militia organizing and shooting and killing we call them the demolition crew especially the Habargedir they are fierce and deadly. Forget about Arabs just learn how to shoot and chase the Tigres if u want that would be good.

[Raganimo]

Khalid Ali negotiating on behalf of Beesha iidoor

[Khalid Ali]

i have good working relations with The oromos i can use it to find a middle ground there is nothing to negotiate but more a discussion on mutual interest.

[GabileyPrince]

@Waachis what is your opinion on the Amhara?

[Waachis]

@Waachis what is your opinion on the Amhara?

i am okay with the younger ones who do not have the ''amhara must rule ethiopia'' mentality.
they are the okay ones who recognize and respect the rights of the oromo to self-rule.

[hangool79]

@Waachis what is your opinion on the Amhara?

i am okay with the younger ones who do not have the ''amhara must rule ethiopia'' mentality.
they are the okay ones who recognize and respect the rights of the oromo to self-rule.

it would be an absolute disaster for all ethnic groups should the amhara secretly, perhaps with US support manage to take over once the tigrayans run off. I've always considered the tigrays to be more pragmatic than amharas.

[Waachis]

@Waachis what is your opinion on the Amhara?

i am okay with the younger ones who do not have the ''amhara must rule ethiopia'' mentality.
they are the okay ones who recognize and respect the rights of the oromo to self-rule.

it would be an absolute disaster for all ethnic groups should the amhara secretly, perhaps with US support manage to take over once the tigrayans run off. I've always considered the tigrays to be more pragmatic than amharas.

this is the thing: if federalism ever gets demolished, ethiopia will become worse than syria. the oromo will fight. the somalis for sure will fight because they may hate tigrayans but the amhara of the past were worse. the afars will fight. everyone.
in 2005 when the CUD or amhara unionists were close to coming to power, the tplf was ready to run back to tigray declare independence and they were gonna tell others like the oromo to do the same.
meles was do desperate he reached out to the OLF and said let's negotiate with NO preconditions. he was ready to do anything to use the oromo against the amhara or vice-versa.

[hangool79]

i am okay with the younger ones who do not have the ''amhara must rule ethiopia'' mentality.
they are the okay ones who recognize and respect the rights of the oromo to self-rule.

it would be an absolute disaster for all ethnic groups should the amhara secretly, perhaps with US support manage to take over once the tigrayans run off. I've always considered the tigrays to be more pragmatic than amharas.

this is the thing: if federalism ever gets demolished, ethiopia will become worse than syria. the oromo will fight. the somalis for sure will fight because they may hate tigrayans but the amhara of the past were worse. the afars will fight. everyone.
in 2005 when the CUD or amhara unionists were close to coming to power, the tplf was ready to run back to tigray declare independence and they were gonna tell others like the oromo to do the same.
meles was do desperate he reached out to the OLF and said let's negotiate with NO preconditions. he was ready to do anything to use the oromo against the amhara or vice-versa.

with good reasons, the amharas are a troublesome bunch, it was a miracle how a small group like the TPLF managed to overthrow this large christian group, should they return, they will cause more mischief than TPLF has done in 20 years.

[Waachis]

it would be an absolute disaster for all ethnic groups should the amhara secretly, perhaps with US support manage to take over once the tigrayans run off. I've always considered the tigrays to be more pragmatic than amharas.

this is the thing: if federalism ever gets demolished, ethiopia will become worse than syria. the oromo will fight. the somalis for sure will fight because they may hate tigrayans but the amhara of the past were worse. the afars will fight. everyone.
in 2005 when the CUD or amhara unionists were close to coming to power, the tplf was ready to run back to tigray declare independence and they were gonna tell others like the oromo to do the same.
meles was do desperate he reached out to the OLF and said let's negotiate with NO preconditions. he was ready to do anything to use the oromo against the amhara or vice-versa.

with good reasons, the amharas are a troublesome bunch, it was a miracle how a small group like the TPLF managed to overthrow this large christian group, should they return, they will cause more mischief than TPLF has done in 20 years.

the TPLF didn't do it alone. let's give them their credit but remain honest and not pretend like they beat mengistu alone. mengistu was a horrible leader, first of all, the dude was killing his best generals and leaders and then wondering why his soldiers had low morale and were losing.
mengistus army was fighting over 10 different liberation armies. from oromia to afar to tigray and eritrea and of course the ogaden/somali areas.
the top 3 strongest were:

1. EPLF who had over 100,000 troops.
2. TPLF who had about 80,000-100,000
3. OLF who had 50,000 by 1991 but due to traitors in the leadership they had the oromo soldiers disarmed and encamped.


the TPLF also benefited because in the early years, mengistu didn't pay any attention to them.
they were slowly but surely building up their forces. mengistu had all his concern on the somali issue and eritrea of course.
and not only that, the amhara farmers and oromo farmers of the north were mostly pro-tplf/eprdf because they saw the derg was the worst evil.
so as they advanced into gojjam, gondar, wollo, etc, they were given food, help, shelter, etc.
had those farmers supported the derg, it'd be an entirely different story my friend.

[luis1]

Waachis:

mengistus army was fighting over 10 different liberation armies. from oromia to afar to tigray and eritrea and of course the ogaden/somali areas.

Mengistu was defeated by OLF, TPLF and EPLF.



My sources say WSLF and SALF ceased to be serious threats to Derg after 1983.


Ogaden was almost quiet in 1991.

[Waachis]

Waachis:

mengistus army was fighting over 10 different liberation armies. from oromia to afar to tigray and eritrea and of course the ogaden/somali areas.

Mengistu was defeated by OLF, TPLF and EPLF.



My sources say WSLF and SALF ceased to be a serious threat to Derg after 1983.


Ogaden was almost quiet in 1991.

you are speaking of the final years but you forgot he ruled for 17 years and he was fighting multiple groups before some of them collapsed.
yes the eplf tplf and olf were the strongest and most prominent, but they weren't the only ones.

there was the ALF (afar liberation front)
there was the ugugumo (an afar group)
there was the slf (sidama liberation front)
there was many groups

[luis1]

WSLF and SALF did not play an important role in Derg collapse.

OLF,EPLF and TPLF were the main responsibles for Mengistu defeat.

[Waachis]

WSLF and SALF did not play an important role in Derg collapse.

OLF,EPLF and TPLF were the main responsibles for Mengistu defeat.

i didn't say they did. but they were fighting regardless and that means the army has to use more resources and manpower to fight those groups however small or insignificant they were/are.

[luis1]

WSLF and SALF were inactive in 1985.

Check out this article:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf



Ethiopian foreign policy and the Ogaden War: the shift from “containment” to “destabilization,” 1977–1991
Belete Belachew Yihun

In contrast, Somalia’s support to rebel groups in northern Ethiopia, particularly the EPLF,
was insignificant. The propaganda issued by the EPLF’s office in Mogadishu was a
nuisance to the Derg but no more than that.

In addition, the WSLF and SALF were
significantly weakened after the Ogaden War. The former was practically defunct by the
late 1980s, with its splinter group, the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) operating from headquarters in Kuwait. Even though elements of the ONLF would later
manage to slip back into the Ogaden, their actions had little impact. Siad Barre’s
negotiating position was therefore a weak one

The Derg may have defeated Somalia, but Ethiopia’s own internal rebellions
had finally defeated the Derg. Seen in this light, the destabilization in Somalia that
Ethiopia fomented under the Derg seems a less successful strategy, as it has proved to be
a significant element in the ongoing challenges that subsequent Ethiopian Governments
have faced on the country’s southeastern frontier. Even after the fall of the Derg, Ethiopia
is still paying a heavy price for its “destabilization” strategy in Somalia.

[Waachis]

1985. that means the derg had to fight them for 11 years then since 1974 is when they came to power.
the fact remains he still had to fight from tigray to oromia to afar and eritrea.