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smartyt wrote:Mogadishu without Darod is like a body without the brain

TheMightyNomad wrote:

Prlnce wrote:There is already massive participation of women in business and workforce in case you didn't know women already run shit.

Women run shit? They run businesses thats true.

However, most of the private sector and corparate businesses is occupied and run by men, women have very low participation in that those areas

According to baseline survey results released during the launching ceremony held at Jazeera Hotel, Mogadishu, women employment is relatively very low in the private sector. Among the industries

Somali women face higher levels of unemployment than men in the formal sectors of the economy and have lower levels of productivity earning less than men for work of equal value. Somali
women are poorly represented in public and corporate decision-making.

http://www.so.undp.org/content/somalia/ ... _2211.html
http://allafrica.com/stories/201505140162.html

Men occupy and dominate the private sector.

"The private sector is the backbone, the body, the blood of Somalia "
Nafiso Samatar
Director of the Somali Women’s Business Association"

So in reality men run shit.

Prlnce wrote:

TheMightyNomad wrote:

Prlnce wrote:There is already massive participation of women in business and workforce in case you didn't know women already run shit.

Women run shit? They run businesses thats true.

However, most of the private sector and corparate businesses is occupied and run by men, women have very low participation in that those areas

According to baseline survey results released during the launching ceremony held at Jazeera Hotel, Mogadishu, women employment is relatively very low in the private sector. Among the industries

Somali women face higher levels of unemployment than men in the formal sectors of the economy and have lower levels of productivity earning less than men for work of equal value. Somali
women are poorly represented in public and corporate decision-making.

http://www.so.undp.org/content/somalia/ ... _2211.html
http://allafrica.com/stories/201505140162.html

Men occupy and dominate the private sector.

"The private sector is the backbone, the body, the blood of Somalia "
Nafiso Samatar
Director of the Somali Women’s Business Association"

So in reality men run shit.

I'm speaking from personal experience. Go to any city or town in Somalia and the majority of the business are run and owned by women. Women out perform men in business and the work force. Only area women are not represented and not influential is in politics. Private sector is the back bone of the Somali economy and that's run by women.

Somali women do not get the credit they deserve and that's largely due to the UN and the World Bank two notoriously corrupt organizations that want to portray Somali women as victims damsel in distress . And you happen to quote both of them.

Only thing men occupy and dominate is khat huts with their dusty ass feet.

Women own more businesses then men and they earn more that's fact and it's visible when you are on the ground in Somalia. Women run shit always did.

survey results released during the launching ceremony held at Jazeera Hotel, Mogadishu,

The 60% of women owning business

Women are the main drivers of especially the micro sector. Usually, women enter the sector as a coping mechanism and remain trapped for very apparent reasons.

Prlnce wrote:

survey results released during the launching ceremony held at Jazeera Hotel, Mogadishu,

So how is that a collaboration? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The study wasn't done by Jazzerra Hotel at all they had nothing to do with it. Hosting a party is not is a collaboration.

All you are doing is quoting verbatim a UN study that they admitted is incomplete because there wasn't enough time to conduct it and insecurity most likely done in an office in Nairobi with no oversight. Do you have an original argument?

The 60% of women owning business

You lifted that from the UN study.

Women are the main drivers of especially the micro sector. Usually, women enter the sector as a coping mechanism and remain trapped for very apparent reasons.

You just plagiarized that word for word from the same UN study.

And everything else you write is vague speaking in broad generalities "big enterprises" Petroleum" manufacturing, Fishery, Airline industry.

You give the awful impression of someone who has never been to Somalia. Like manufacturing for example there is no jobs in manufacturing for men or women because we don't produce goods. Somalia has a service based economy.

Business owners prioritizes hiring a family member or anyone closely related over a non family members. That means they will hire a women over man any day of the week. And for a country that has been at war for 20 plus years. Women in Somalia still out perform women in Iran,Egypt,Pakistan and even India when it comes to work force participation. And when you are on the ground in Somalia you see the women are the breadwinners in the majority of the homes. That's why Somali women run shit...

Fursad Fund is Somalia's first independent trust fund, entirely funded & managed by Somalis for the purpose of creating opportunities.

The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue[1]) is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context.
The fallacy therefore fails to assess the claim on its merit. The first criterion of a good argument is that the premises must have bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim in question

However, primarily as a result of substantial local investment by the Somali diaspora, many of these small-scale plants have re-opened and newer ones have been created.The latter include fish-canning and meat-processing plants in the north, as well as about 25 factories in the Mogadishu area, which manufacture pasta, mineral water, confections,plastic bags, fabric, hides and skins, detergent and soap, aluminum, foam mattresses andpillows, fishing boats, carry out packaging, and stone processing.

According to the UNDP, investments in light manufacturing have expanded in Bosaso, Hargeisa and Mogadishu, in particular, indicating growing business confidence in the economy.[8] To this end, in 2004, an $8.3 million Coca-Cola bottling plant opened in Mogadishu, with investors hailing from various constituencies in Somalia.[13] The robust private sector has also attracted foreign investment from the likes of General Motors and Dole Fruit.

smartyt wrote:I am in Mogadishu right now the city is relative safe but but power center ? Stop being silly

TheMightyNomad wrote:

Prlnce wrote:

survey results released during the launching ceremony held at Jazeera Hotel, Mogadishu,

So how is that a collaboration? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The study wasn't done by Jazzerra Hotel at all they had nothing to do with it. Hosting a party is not is a collaboration.

All you are doing is quoting verbatim a UN study that they admitted is incomplete because there wasn't enough time to conduct it and insecurity most likely done in an office in Nairobi with no oversight. Do you have an original argument?

The 60% of women owning business

You lifted that from the UN study.

Women are the main drivers of especially the micro sector. Usually, women enter the sector as a coping mechanism and remain trapped for very apparent reasons.

You just plagiarized that word for word from the same UN study.

And everything else you write is vague speaking in broad generalities "big enterprises" Petroleum" manufacturing, Fishery, Airline industry.

You give the awful impression of someone who has never been to Somalia. Like manufacturing for example there is no jobs in manufacturing for men or women because we don't produce goods. Somalia has a service based economy.

Business owners prioritizes hiring a family member or anyone closely related over a non family members. That means they will hire a women over man any day of the week. And for a country that has been at war for 20 plus years. Women in Somalia still out perform women in Iran,Egypt,Pakistan and even India when it comes to work force participation. And when you are on the ground in Somalia you see the women are the breadwinners in the majority of the homes. That's why Somali women run shit...

The study was done by a Local Somali run organization Fursad geared towards creation jobs and job opportunities for Somalis in Somalia http://fursad.so and it nonetheless affirmed the same thing said in the UN Study. It is a organization which btw is located in across different regions in Somalia,independent, funded and controlled by Somalis. Hosted in Al Jazzera hotel locally.

Here http://www.fursadfund.org

Fursad Fund is Somalia's first independent trust fund, entirely funded & managed by Somalis for the purpose of creating opportunities.

OFC i base my opinion on UN studies and to which i tie to a large extent my own experience in my own homeland. Most of the UN staff that conducted the study themselves were a diverse group of Somalis and it is a holistic complex look at dynamics of Somali sectors and business.

Unlike what you are spewing which is just a prejudice opinion which comes from your own narrow circle and stereotypes. ''Khat eaters'' ''women run shiit'' which isn't not entirely representative at all.

And at the same time you are doing is a genetic falacy. With you constant complaining about the source of the claims.

The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue[1]) is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context.
The fallacy therefore fails to assess the claim on its merit. The first criterion of a good argument is that the premises must have bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim in question

In hindsight it doesn't matter if it is ''UN'' source or not which you keep emphasizing. Where it came from has little to say if it true or not.

I will reiterate what i said in the previous.'' In terms of private sector in banks, big enterprises , petroleum, manufacturing fishery and meat factories etc,telecoms, airline industry, technology companies electric companies, females have very low-employment and those are mostly runned and owned by men , they are practically non-existent in public and corporate decision making.'''


Manufacturing counts for 10% of Somalia's GDP. There are several factories both in the north and the south that hire people in the thousands. They manufacture a variety of things.
http://www.sodevbank.so/industerial/

However, primarily as a result of substantial local investment by the Somali diaspora, many of these small-scale plants have re-opened and newer ones have been created.The latter include fish-canning and meat-processing plants in the north, as well as about 25 factories in the Mogadishu area, which manufacture pasta, mineral water, confections,plastic bags, fabric, hides and skins, detergent and soap, aluminum, foam mattresses andpillows, fishing boats, carry out packaging, and stone processing.

According to the UNDP, investments in light manufacturing have expanded in Bosaso, Hargeisa and Mogadishu, in particular, indicating growing business confidence in the economy.[8] To this end, in 2004, an $8.3 million Coca-Cola bottling plant opened in Mogadishu, with investors hailing from various constituencies in Somalia.[13] The robust private sector has also attracted foreign investment from the likes of General Motors and Dole Fruit.

http://www.sodevbank.so/industerial/

My uncle and my father in Bosaso owns two manufacturing factories, the only difference i have actual verifiable facts backing my experiences you don't.

Even the livestock sector which creates over 65% of the job opportunities & employment and 40% GDP are almost entirely occupied and dominated by men.

Women mostly are relegated to the informal mini sector, from which they occupy not because they are more hard working but as a coping mechanism hence are trapped there and give out a very misleading impression. Men however occupy every sector but notably, Small, Medium and Big enterprises and , men are not all stereotypical Khat chewing lazy man which is just gross generalization and very very reductionist, many Somali men are hard working who are living decent and humane lives.

Women mostly are relegated to the informal mini sector, from which they occupy not because they are more hard working but as a coping mechanism hence

Prlnce wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:46 am

TheMightyNomad wrote:

Prlnce wrote:
So how is that a collaboration? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The study wasn't done by Jazzerra Hotel at all they had nothing to do with it. Hosting a party is not is a collaboration.

All you are doing is quoting verbatim a UN study that they admitted is incomplete because there wasn't enough time to conduct it and insecurity most likely done in an office in Nairobi with no oversight. Do you have an original argument?



You lifted that from the UN study.



You just plagiarized that word for word from the same UN study.

And everything else you write is vague speaking in broad generalities "big enterprises" Petroleum" manufacturing, Fishery, Airline industry.

You give the awful impression of someone who has never been to Somalia. Like manufacturing for example there is no jobs in manufacturing for men or women because we don't produce goods. Somalia has a service based economy.

Business owners prioritizes hiring a family member or anyone closely related over a non family members. That means they will hire a women over man any day of the week. And for a country that has been at war for 20 plus years. Women in Somalia still out perform women in Iran,Egypt,Pakistan and even India when it comes to work force participation. And when you are on the ground in Somalia you see the women are the breadwinners in the majority of the homes. That's why Somali women run shit...

The study was done by a Local Somali run organization Fursad geared towards creation jobs and job opportunities for Somalis in Somalia http://fursad.so and it nonetheless affirmed the same thing said in the UN Study. It is a organization which btw is located in across different regions in Somalia,independent, funded and controlled by Somalis. Hosted in Al Jazzera hotel locally.

Here http://www.fursadfund.org

Fursad Fund is Somalia's first independent trust fund, entirely funded & managed by Somalis for the purpose of creating opportunities.

OFC i base my opinion on UN studies and to which i tie to a large extent my own experience in my own homeland. Most of the UN staff that conducted the study themselves were a diverse group of Somalis and it is a holistic complex look at dynamics of Somali sectors and business.

Unlike what you are spewing which is just a prejudice opinion which comes from your own narrow circle and stereotypes. ''Khat eaters'' ''women run shiit'' which isn't not entirely representative at all.

And at the same time you are doing is a genetic falacy. With you constant complaining about the source of the claims.

The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue[1]) is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context.
The fallacy therefore fails to assess the claim on its merit. The first criterion of a good argument is that the premises must have bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim in question

In hindsight it doesn't matter if it is ''UN'' source or not which you keep emphasizing. Where it came from has little to say if it true or not.

I will reiterate what i said in the previous.'' In terms of private sector in banks, big enterprises , petroleum, manufacturing fishery and meat factories etc,telecoms, airline industry, technology companies electric companies, females have very low-employment and those are mostly runned and owned by men , they are practically non-existent in public and corporate decision making.'''


Manufacturing counts for 10% of Somalia's GDP. There are several factories both in the north and the south that hire people in the thousands. They manufacture a variety of things.
http://www.sodevbank.so/industerial/

However, primarily as a result of substantial local investment by the Somali diaspora, many of these small-scale plants have re-opened and newer ones have been created.The latter include fish-canning and meat-processing plants in the north, as well as about 25 factories in the Mogadishu area, which manufacture pasta, mineral water, confections,plastic bags, fabric, hides and skins, detergent and soap, aluminum, foam mattresses andpillows, fishing boats, carry out packaging, and stone processing.

According to the UNDP, investments in light manufacturing have expanded in Bosaso, Hargeisa and Mogadishu, in particular, indicating growing business confidence in the economy.[8] To this end, in 2004, an $8.3 million Coca-Cola bottling plant opened in Mogadishu, with investors hailing from various constituencies in Somalia.[13] The robust private sector has also attracted foreign investment from the likes of General Motors and Dole Fruit.

http://www.sodevbank.so/industerial/

My uncle and my father in Bosaso owns two manufacturing factories, the only difference i have actual verifiable facts backing my experiences you don't.

Even the livestock sector which creates over 65% of the job opportunities & employment and 40% GDP are almost entirely occupied and dominated by men.

Women mostly are relegated to the informal mini sector, from which they occupy not because they are more hard working but as a coping mechanism hence are trapped there and give out a very misleading impression. Men however occupy every sector but notably, Small, Medium and Big enterprises and , men are not all stereotypical Khat chewing lazy man which is just gross generalization and very very reductionist, many Somali men are hard working who are living decent and humane lives.

Women mostly are relegated to the informal mini sector, from which they occupy not because they are more hard working but as a coping mechanism hence

Another plagiarized sentence from the UN study Plagiarizing and regurgitating another person's work is not substitute for an argument.

So the study was done by FURSAD now....interesting ....but your last post you said "it was done by UN in collaboration with Jazzerra Hotel".. that was what i was expecting from you constant contradiction. That is my point exactly you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You can't even stand by your own statements.

You speak like someone that's never been to Somalia... Kulaha "lIve stock sector is entirely occupied and dominated by men" of course it is. And nobody is arguing that and a moot point. Nursing and health care sector is entirely dominated by women so what. In every country including Somalia there is professions lots of women go in or lots of men go into.

My uncle and father own a manufacturing company kulaha ...sure buddy you and every qaxooti claims that It's 2017 go learn how to how to construct an argument.

TheMightyNomad wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:37 am The study i posted was done by a local organization in collaboration with Al-Jazzerra hotel , it is true and has very little do with the UN trying to victimize Somali women.