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Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:32 pm
by Voltage
Why is this a trash topic? It's a relevant topic. People will interpret it however they want and that's up to them.
The guy who designed and whose Kismaayo based construction group recently built the new Ministry of Health building in Mogadishu is MX from the US and his family recently underwent the same experience. This is not a one off story. It's happening everyday.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:12 pm
by smooth
The same old property stuff resurfaces, the fundamental questions to be answered is who did the land originally belong to? and whom did the current claimant of the land buy his properties from?
If this is from the Kacaan government, this should be nullified as no witnesses will be alive to testify to this, and with witnesses I am not referring to the kacaan bureaucrat that signed the papers but the original people the land was bought from, if the Kacaan document state this and a witness can testify from that family descendants, the case will be legal.
However I find it amazing this argument is only brought forth when it comes to Xamar but no where else in Somalia, I don't see MX claiming lands in Galinsoor which i know they have been kicked out from and have a right to claim, or HG in Northern Gaalkacayo/Beledweyne, DIR in J/land during the Kacaan era and Jareer in Bosaaso.
There is only one way to look at this, it can't be qabyaalad but rather its the silent testament of the superiority of those in Xamar, there is no doubt in the whole of Somalia, the people that live there based on what they have been through and still fighting for somalinimo are second to none in the whole Somali peninsula.
It's the reason why everyone lays claim to it but nowhere else in Somalia were far more land and properties were looted from others, but you never hear a single court-case or challenge.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:08 pm
by Xaayow10
smooth wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:12 pm
The same old property stuff resurfaces, the fundamental questions to be answered is who did the land originally belong to? and whom did the current claimant of the land buy his properties from?
If this is from the Kacaan government, this should be nullified as no witnesses will be alive to testify to this, and with witnesses I am not referring to the kacaan bureaucrat that signed the papers but the original people the land was bought from, if the Kacaan document state this and a witness can testify from that family descendants, the case will be legal.
However I find it amazing this argument is only brought forth when it comes to Xamar but no where else in Somalia, I don't see MX claiming lands in Galinsoor which i know they have been kicked out from and have a right to claim, or HG in Northern Gaalkacayo/Beledweyne, DIR in J/land during the Kacaan era and Jareer in Bosaaso.
There is only one way to look at this, it can't be qabyaalad but rather its the silent testament of the superiority of those in Xamar, there is no doubt in the whole of Somalia, the people that live there based on what they have been through and still fighting for somalinimo are second to none in the whole Somali peninsula.
It's the reason why everyone lays claim to it but nowhere else in Somalia were far more land and properties were looted from others, but you never hear a single court-case or challenge.
That was very eloquent and good remarks, i have ask for apologies for my behaviour. This should be non biased issue. Waxaanu leenahay maxaa leyska qadaa or who cares.
There is plenty land in somalia right now that anybody who is citizen can purchase. If he/she regardles of her clan can own land in xamar then there shouldn't be double standars for other fellow somalis to obtain land in JL or SH.
I will lead by an exsample and give benefit of the doubt. Since i value social democracy that i learned from socialist countries from northern europe, especially scandinavia. Rather being selfish and start thinking we are all together in this union.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:26 pm
by Voltage
smooth wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:12 pm
The same old property stuff resurfaces, the fundamental questions to be answered is who did the land originally belong to? and whom did the current claimant of the land buy his properties from?
If this is from the Kacaan government, this should be nullified as no witnesses will be alive to testify to this, and with witnesses I am not referring to the kacaan bureaucrat that signed the papers but the original people the land was bought from, if the Kacaan document state this and a witness can testify from that family descendants, the case will be legal.
However I find it amazing this argument is only brought forth when it comes to Xamar but no where else in Somalia, I don't see MX claiming lands in Galinsoor which i know they have been kicked out from and have a right to claim, or HG in Northern Gaalkacayo/Beledweyne, DIR in J/land during the Kacaan era and Jareer in Bosaaso.
There is only one way to look at this, it can't be qabyaalad but rather its the silent testament of the superiority of those in Xamar, there is no doubt in the whole of Somalia, the people that live there based on what they have been through and still fighting for somalinimo are second to none in the whole Somali peninsula.
It's the reason why everyone lays claim to it but nowhere else in Somalia were far more land and properties were looted from others, but you never hear a single court-case or challenge.
Those are interesting points, but I will say that the courts have looked at this and both the Attorney General and the Supreme Court Judge neither of whom are Darod have agreed with this MP that these were her properties.
With regards to Gelinsoor, it's a desert settlement. My grandma is Wagardhac (mom's mom) and she told me that Gelinsoor was almost deserted of Marehan by the early 80's. Today there is a xaafad in Beled-Xaawo and parts of Kismaayo that are completely Wagardhac. Marehan in general have been slowly moving south for over a hundred years.
I mean look at Dhuusa-Mareeb. Marehan started to move out completely from Dhuusa-Mareeb during abaarta Dabo-dheer. At that time Caabudwaaq was a small watering hole (it's not an old town at all) and many Marehan started to migrate there because it was the last extent of the Hawd and they were moving there for grazing. Today Caabudwaaq is the largest commercial center of Galgaduud and Dhuusa-Mareeb looks like a xaafad of Caabudwaaq from satellite images.
With regards to Mogadishu, it was and is the largest commercial center. It's not a village. People lost hanti and wealth they invested personally and they want it back
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:42 am
by gobdoon
Fair enough its no excuse to hold and take properties that dont belong to you and make up silly excuses to hold on , if you took over property that its owners fled after the civil war you lived and benefited from it 20 years or so when its owners return its common sense and leggal practicality to give it back
XARANTA WA IN LAGA XISHOODO OO ILAH LAGA BAQO MAXABA QABIILKA MEESHA KEENAYA MARKA REER MUQDISHO WA IS WADA YAQANAN
QOFKA XAQ U LEHNA WA IN XOLIHIISA IYO GURIGIISA LA SIIYA KII GARDARAN OO ASAGA OO XOOG AMA MAGAC QABIIL KU QARABANAYA OO RABA XOOLO UUSAN LAHAY IN UU ISKA HAYSTO WA IN RUNTA LOO SHEEGO.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:11 am
by FarhanYare
MarsinQorahay wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:48 am
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Why not also return HG properties in Kismayo including those that Aideed had?"
when you have no knowledge on the topic but still cant hold in the cuqdad
Idoor qashin.
Voltage laftirkiisaba qashin ah for making this topic sababta ah wu ku talagalay in loo arko darood Vs hawiye in xamar.
Are you denying guryaha hg ku leeyihin kismayo, galkacyo, kilinka, iyo gedo
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:39 am
by FBISOMALIA
FarhanYare wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:11 am
MarsinQorahay wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:48 am
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Why not also return HG properties in Kismayo including those that Aideed had?"
when you have no knowledge on the topic but still cant hold in the cuqdad
Idoor qashin.
Voltage laftirkiisaba qashin ah for making this topic sababta ah wu ku talagalay in loo arko darood Vs hawiye in xamar.
Are you denying guryaha hg ku leeyihin kismayo,
galkacyo, kilinka, iyo gedo
You mean south galgcio
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:06 am
by Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE
Reer baiyeste and their xasarad
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:08 am
by TheblueNwhite
Lol@its happening everyday.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:17 am
by AwRastaale
FarhanYare wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:11 am
MarsinQorahay wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:48 am
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Why not also return HG properties in Kismayo including those that Aideed had?"
when you have no knowledge on the topic but still cant hold in the cuqdad
Idoor qashin.
Voltage laftirkiisaba qashin ah for making this topic sababta ah wu ku talagalay in loo arko darood Vs hawiye in xamar.
Are you denying guryaha hg ku leeyihin kismayo, galkacyo, kilinka, iyo gedo
Do you expect a small brain Cagdheer who was brought into Kismayo by his Kikuyu master to know anything about those things?
Ask him which came first Aideed and HG homes or this sign?
Only Smooth touched some of the reality. The rest of Hawiye continue to play dead like a possum
So called Caddaalad in the eyes of Dooros should not be limited to Mogadishu, which btw they choose when they want it to be 'capital' and when not. Yesterday when HSM was issuing orders and measures from the capital, none of the Dooros saw as a constitute order from the capital.
They only play caasimad when its in their benefit.
The law of land is not called 'laws of capital, which is for ALL'. The land is one and the law is one. The one that applies to Mogadishu to should to Kismayo, Beledweyne, Galkacayo and so on.
Some of these guys are very naive.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:27 am
by CaliQaseV2
DalJecel60 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:15 pm
This guy cannot be Serious. Xamar doesn't belong to Any specific Qabiil wa Xarunti Dalka and it will remain a MultiQabil City until It ceases to be the Capital and Allah baan ka baryeeyna that it continues to be Magalo madaxdi Somalida regardless of Qabil
Adeer Xamar waa goof Abgaal
Mudulloodka kale iyo Madarkicis haddii ay wax u ogol yihiin bal inta kale xoogoo ha sugaan
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:35 am
by TheblueNwhite
I read somewhere that the 'Xawo' in Beled Xawo is an Abgaal lady.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:02 am
by MarsinQorahay
FarhanYare wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:11 am
MarsinQorahay wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:48 am
"
Why not also return HG properties in Kismayo including those that Aideed had?"
when you have no knowledge on the topic but still cant hold in the cuqdad
Idoor qashin.
Voltage laftirkiisaba qashin ah for making this topic sababta ah wu ku talagalay in loo arko darood Vs hawiye in xamar.
Are you denying guryaha hg ku leeyihin kismayo, galkacyo, kilinka, iyo gedo
No, im denying them their mansions in mars and jupiter.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:04 am
by MarsinQorahay
AwRastaale wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:17 am
FarhanYare wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:11 am
MarsinQorahay wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:48 am
"
Why not also return HG properties in Kismayo including those that Aideed had?"
when you have no knowledge on the topic but still cant hold in the cuqdad
Idoor qashin.
Voltage laftirkiisaba qashin ah for making this topic sababta ah wu ku talagalay in loo arko darood Vs hawiye in xamar.
Are you denying guryaha hg ku leeyihin kismayo, galkacyo, kilinka, iyo gedo
Do you expect a small brain Cagdheer who was brought into Kismayo by his Kikuyu master to know anything about those things?
Ask him which came first Aideed and HG homes or this sign?
Only Smooth touched some of the reality. The rest of Hawiye continue to play dead like a possum
So called Caddaalad in the eyes of Dooros should not be limited to Mogadishu, which btw they choose when they want it to be 'capital' and when not. Yesterday when HSM was issuing orders and measures from the capital, none of the Dooros saw as a constitute order from the capital.
They only play caasimad when its in their benefit.
The law of land is not called 'laws of capital, which is for ALL'. The land is one and the law is one. The one that applies to Mogadishu to should to Kismayo, Beledweyne, Galkacayo and so on.
Some of these guys are very naive.
Your ayeeyos rotten punani comes first nedel, tell me about the houses they own in kismaayo hadaad nin rag ah tahay, the houses aidiid owns bal an aragne raganimada aad haysid.
Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:45 am
by DalJecel60
CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:27 am
DalJecel60 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:15 pm
This guy cannot be Serious. Xamar doesn't belong to Any specific Qabiil wa Xarunti Dalka and it will remain a MultiQabil City until It ceases to be the Capital and Allah baan ka baryeeyna that it continues to be Magalo madaxdi Somalida regardless of Qabil
Adeer Xamar waa goof Abgaal
Mudulloodka kale iyo Madarkicis haddii ay wax u ogol yihiin bal inta kale xoogoo ha sugaan
Ina Adeerow Saas magalomadax kuma haysankartid Xamarna ma ahan magaalo beeleed!
