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Jabuutawi wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:53 pm Wacchi, show me an unbiased source where Oromos participated in the Muslim- Christian wars. Perhaps you participated on the Christian side, certainly you were known as Gallas as recently as the latter part of the 20th century and, if they were any Oromos Muslim at the time, they made no difference numerically in the wars.

Again, name a source where ‘Muslim’ Oromos were part of Ahmed Gurey’s army.

Warya porcupine man, weren’t you spokesman for Isaacs especially Sacad Musse? The condom has been discarded miyaa.

Lol at Khadra Xayd being the catalyst of my posts. Old lady (btw she is older than IOG 😳) got nothing to do with anything.

PS: Waaqi, I will share additional proof of Afars brutality toward Gallas, stay tuned.

''According to Somali tradition, he was the illegitimate offspring of a Somali woman and an Abyssinian priest [Touval 1963: 51] in Abyssinian sources.
The Oromos also claim him by citing the names of his relatives and of his birthplace [Hubata], both of which happen to be Oromo.
Still others trace him to the ''Muslim Bejas of Eritrea'' [Adam 1994: 141].
David Laitin [1977: 27] speculates that the Somali Ahmed Gurey and the historical Ahmed Gragn who led the wars against the Christians could be 2 different persons.
He goes further to conclude he was ''not a Somali himself but the leader of Somali troops'' [Laitin 1977: 53].
His troops were NOT purely Somali either since members of other socities reportedly participated in the war led by him [Touval 1963: 50]
Perhaps less controversial is the likelihood that he saw himself as a Muslim first and as Somali 2nd [if at ALL] [Laitin 1977: 53].
The same was perhaps true regarding the self-identification of the DIVERSE member sof his armies.''

[The Horn of Africa as Common Homeland: The State and Self-Determination in the Era of Heightened Globalization
Book by Leenco Lata
Chapter 6: Resonance of Conflicts in the Horn of Africa]



''In 1539 appears Gragn. He is a native of the Harar region, which at that time already belonged to Oromos who had adopted Islam. [we are the majority there, to this very day kind sir].
On the one hand, using the Oromo's desire to occupy Abyssinian lands and on the other hand raising the banner of the Prophet among the Muslim population of the coastal zone and declaring ''holy war,'' Gran invaded Abyssinia, burnign and destroying monasteries and churches.
At first, the Oromos attacked Shoa and the provinces of Menjar and Ankober.
But then, while the Arsi Oromos independently waged war against the tribes of southern Ethiopia, gradually ejecting them and occupying their places, Gran, inspired by the idea of Islam, made his way to North and Central Abyssinia, to the cultural and religious center of the empire, and destroyed Axum.
In 1545, Gran was killed in Damby, at Lake Tana. With his death, the Oromo invasion lost its significance as a religious war.
The Oromo-Muslims who came with him occupied the best land in the province of Wollo.
In the south, too, and in the west, the Arsi Oromos continued to gradually oust the indigenous inhabitants of these lands- Amhara and Sidamo: the first to the north beyond Abbay, the 2nd to the south to the mountains of Kaffa.''

[Ethiopia Through Russian Eyes: Country in Transition 1896-1898
By Alexander Bulatovich
Section 2]




From the same book:


''According to the unanimous traditions of the Abyssinians, Oromos and people of Harar, Ahmad Gran was born close to Harar and was an OROMO.
The indication in history that he was king of Adal [the inhabitants of Aussa on the coast of the Gulf of Tajura, located to the north from the Somalis, are called Adalis and Somalis, and they, for a certainty, helped him in his campaigns.
But the main part of his armies were OROMOS.

This is demonstrated by the fact that ALL the conquered Abyssinian lands were settled by none other than the Oromos- Oromos of Wallo/Wollo, Borana, and Tuulama.
In the ranks of his armies were janissaries, Turkish riflemen and artillery, who were sent to him at his request after the defeat inflicted on him by the Portuguese.
I give very little credence to the indication that the Adalis were armed with guns, since if in the last expedition of the Adalis to Aussa, instead of using Rozdan or Italian guns, they preferred to hang them on trees, then, I think all the more that, at that time, they were not capable of operating fire-arms.''

[Section 2]




Let's also look at the Wollo Oromos, who were surrounded by Christian Abyssinian foes, and their resistance to Abyssinia [written by a Somali scholar!]:

''Shortly after his coronation in 1855, Tewodros of Abyssinia marched to Wallo and fought against 3 rival Oromo leaders, killing one, capturing the 2nd, and defeating the third.
For the next ten years, Tewodros marched several times in Wallo, devastating, burning, looting, and massacring the people.
Violent terrorism characterized his campaigns in Wallo.
And yet Tewodros was never able to crush the resistance of the Muslim population in Wallo.
The reasons for the tenacious Muslim resistance were:

Firstly, Tewodros's policy of indiscriminate devastation and destruction of the land and the deportation of some of the people; and secondly, his clearly anti Muslim and even anti Oromo, stance.
The leaders of the rebellion perceived Tewodros' objectives and activities as being directed not only to destroying them as a ruling class, but also to undermining the social, economic and cultural foundation of the Muslim communities themselves.


Encouraged by European Protestant missionary support, intoxicated by his ravenous ambition to destory Islam and the Oromo power, and surprised by the tenacious Muslim resistance, Tewodros spent more than 10 years destroying Wallo, by which he too was destroyed.
The Muslims of Wallo, united by danger and animated by Islam, resisted Tewodros bravely before he was overwhelmed by crisis and destroyed.
Hence,
as far as his stated aim of forcing Muslim Oromos into either accepting Christianity or leaving his kingdom, he utterly failed.
He, not they, gave in. It is not an exaggeration to say that Tewodros committed suicide in 1868, not only because he hated to fall into British hands as a captive kind, but also because he was already virtually an Oromo prisoner in the mountain fortress of Magdala.
Escape was well neigh impossible.''



[In the Shadow of Conquest: Islam in Colonial Northeast Africa
edited by Said S. Samatar, pages 88-90]
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Re: Akisho=Oromo, who marry and live with habr awal and other somalis!

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Your sources even include a Russian from 1890s, that is second, third rate sources. I ask for actual source from the "Futuh al- Habasha" by Sihab al-Din Ahmad bin AbdelQader. It names Somali clans but, at least the few pages I read, did not mention any Oromo clans.

Moreover, Hararghe Oromos (more precisely many of them) are lost Somali clans. I am sure the cataclysmic event that savaged the area contributed to some clans realigning themselves. Eastern Hararghe zones are actually Somali territory and Oromized Somalis.

Anyway, check my thread: https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 8&t=398493
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Why is it always the Issa refugee talking back to his masters who have been ruling the naked pagan ciise till the french came.
You was my slave yesterday I used to rule you and whip your backs in your own lands like zayla. Before your French masters came along you was just naked pagan bushmen. You got no history, you was always in our shadow and will remain so till judgement day.
Even today after the Frenchman has granted you independence and left you with a fat dictator, it is us Isaaq that dominate all the businesses in Djibouti. Ciise are unknown, name me 1 ciise millionaires/billionaire that can compete with the isaaq. You just good at being maids/prostitutes for french soldiers, stick to your job Ciise boy that’s what you do best.
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Jabuutawi wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:46 pm Your sources even include a Russian from 1890s, that is second, third rate sources. I ask for actual source from the "Futuh al- Habasha" by Sihab al-Din Ahmad bin AbdelQader. It names Somali clans but, at least the few pages I read, did not mention any Oromo clans.

Moreover, Hararghe Oromos (more precisely many of them) are lost Somali clans. I am sure the cataclysmic event that savaged the area contributed to some clans realigning themselves. Eastern Hararghe zones are actually Somali territory and Oromized Somalis.

Anyway, check my thread: https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 8&t=398493

he cited sources though, and to think that somalis and afars who were less than 1/2 of oromo's population, were the only soldiers of the imam, would be lying to yourself, to us, and to those reading; kind sir.
Wollo Oromos claim they came from harar, and as part of imam ahmad's army, expanded north, and ended up settling there for good.
they were a headache for the abyssinian emperors of the past. when they were pretty much sandwiched by shoa and tigray, NO ONE came to their rescue, but that's another topic, entirely.

''Part of the Oromos under Mohammed Granj acquired a new home in the north at the expense of the Abyssinians in the years 1526-1543; a 2nd wave of migration went south. The vanguard crossed the Tana and reached the Sabaki at its mouth, near Melinde. They seem to have been established in this district at the beginning of the 19th century.
In the mountainous country to the south of Lake Rudolf were settled races of Hamitic origin, perhaps Oromo offshoots, which had been forced into these barren lands under pressure from without, while others retreated southward and attacked the negro peoples of east Africa.''


Harmsworth History of the World: Ancient nations of the Near East. Western Asia. Egypt. Africa
page 2269
Carmelite House, 1908 - World history - 6576 pages



Yes we have assimilated some Somalis; but there's no telling how many we did, i very much doubt it's as large as you/others imply.
our somali brethren, in many cases, are known to exaggerate. with all due respect.
and our border is settled now, there will no more issues on that, you guys took lands from us [juba land comes to mind], and we took lands from y'all [not bad for some weak ''gallas,'' that you insult as, eh?]
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Wachis, honestly I don’t have the time to fact-check your sources. It is what it is. I will let others do. I am curious to know if Oromos were mentioned in the original Futuh..., anyone can answer that.

Ok, war ma anaa walan mise Fuckg Street ba laga heesiya? All the assertions made by midgo Idoors, yet no citations.

Ciyaarta naga dhaafa yaa ilma xaraan.
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i sense another oromo bashing thread, waachis why are you doing this to yourself, insighting hatred against your own people?
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Dalolos aren't you an oromo your self why u hating on your own people.
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Khalid Ali wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:29 am Dalolos aren't you an oromo your self why u hating on your own people.
I am not Oromo but I see them as Cushetic brothers, Oromo, Somali and Afar are 3 brothers who are sons of Cush, they are different in characteristics, one is very maskiin but intelligent, the other very wild but brave, the last is a loner but very cunning. Look at Oromo societies, they easily live together in towns of hundreds of thousands, their women are very free and beautiful, Somalis cannot even share a watering well without challenging each other to a fight, the Afar subjugate their women and live in the harshest lands.
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Jabuutawi wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:53 pm
Again, name a source where ‘Muslim’ Oromos were part of Ahmed Gurey’s army.

Warya porcupine man, weren’t you spokesman for Isaacs especially Sacad Musse? The condom has been discarded miyaa.

Lol at Khadra Xayd being the catalyst of my posts. Old lady (btw she is older than IOG 😳) got nothing to do with anything.

I would rather be the condom of my brother than being envious of his acheivement, jealousy is good but envy is bad for your health, the more you feel envy the more isaaqs especially sacad muse are making progress in your own backyard. :lol:
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Waachis which is right - Akishi is Dir or Akisho is an Oromo clan? What reference you intensify your point. Some people confuse the difference between akisho and oromo. Please tel me reliable sources thanks.
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Some others cannot classify jarso and akisho, they call them Dir clan while others call a somali speaking community whose origin is an oromo.
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Kayse2018 wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:18 pm Some others cannot classify jarso and akisho, they call them Dir clan while others call a somali speaking community whose origin is an oromo.
Jarso and Akisho are of Oromo origin, but are heavily Somali-ized due to living with, marrying with, and etc, with somalis.
we trace their ancestors back to oromo ancestors [bareentu ]
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brother jabutawi, check this book out, page 88, he proves oromo warriors took part on all sides of the war [christian ones on abyssinian side,muslim ones on the imam ahmad's side, then you had those who still held their traditional beliefs who waited in the wings to recover lost lands]


we oromos are greater than our neighbors think ;)
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Waachis wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:58 pm
Kayse2018 wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:18 pm Some others cannot classify jarso and akisho, they call them Dir clan while others call a somali speaking community whose origin is an oromo.
Jarso and Akisho are of Oromo origin, but are heavily Somali-ized due to living with, marrying with, and etc, with somalis.
we trace their ancestors back to oromo ancestors [bareentu ]
We believe the opposite , jaarzo and akishe are both Somali clans who are infiltrated by the Oromos , so they have both identities , we trace their ancestors to Ali madaxwayne Dir . The Best resources in the world are the people we won't give our peaple to you for free Mr waachis .
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:44 am
Waachis wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:58 pm
Kayse2018 wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:18 pm Some others cannot classify jarso and akisho, they call them Dir clan while others call a somali speaking community whose origin is an oromo.
Jarso and Akisho are of Oromo origin, but are heavily Somali-ized due to living with, marrying with, and etc, with somalis.
we trace their ancestors back to oromo ancestors [bareentu ]
We believe the opposite , jaarzo and akishe are both Somali clans who are infiltrated by the Oromos , so they have both identities , we trace their ancestors to Ali madaxwayne Dir . The Best resources in the world are the people we won't give our peaple to you for free Mr waachis .


False. Even somalis who know history know jarso and akisho are Oromo in origin. Whether you believe otherwise is irrelevant.
That's why in the 1990s the darood dominated somali political leaders in Ethiopia refused to give jarso any representatives.
And if you ask habr awal elders and people of knowledge they will tell you akisho is of oromo origin.
Jarso themselves will tell u they are oromo.
I can post so many references as proof if u want let me know.
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