The Argument On The Election?

[zidane88]

It is deep rooted issue than elections, Power and greed are the two main factors behind the whole shebang. Let us not forget as well, the bloodless-coup that propelled Siad Barre to power, and how it pans out...the same thing that opposition groups are wary of repeating it.
Barre's then mandate was to prepare the country for general elaction within limited time, which later turned into bloody dictatorship rule of 21 years.

Now, this government had skipped many constitutional articles, cut corners, and have taken diffrent direction than the agreed one hence the suspicion of oppsition groups. Lastly, there's always the anti-establishment group (xaaraan-ku naaxayaal) whose intention is to never get any functioning government as it destroys their interest.

1) what constitutional articles was skipped by this government give us examples

2) what was the agreed direction? and how did this government take the country in a different direction

answer those two questions, you can't just write stuff without any backup

I am not arguing with a blind supporter. Here's the constitution read it and see it for yourself. Have they followed any of it?
https://blaw05.files.wordpress.com/2016 ... a-ifcc.pdf

[sahal80]

"civil war" in one qabiil dominated town with with one qabiil based adminstation from taliyasha police ka of the18 districts and the 18 district commisioners is some thing ridiculous and laughable. this is not like somalia of 1991. Xamar people and opposition only are waiting till Farmaajo term ends. if he tries to break the article 60 of the constituion wich states that the term of the president is 4 years then it wont take more than two days to kick him out of villa wardhiigley. that is a fact.

i have met ex syrian sunni army officer in London and i asked him one question why a large party of the syrian army is still sunni? and he said to me they r afraid of losing their jobs they dont believe that assad will be ousted for many reasons like russia and iran and the lack of arab support and they have families...once Farmaajo loses legitimacy and his mandate all these local police and army who r now looking after their families will ditch him and jump on the bandwagon as they r expecting new govt in place. you have seen the police the other day when they killed two people joining the people.

No need a war. parallel election will take place if extension is declared unukaleh president and pm from garowe will be declared.

im telling you shir aa garowe ka dhacaya dhawaan hadey xalimo yareey ku dhawaaqi wayso xiliga doorashada laakin beesha caalamka waxay leedahay naga warsuga madasha national leaderska aa ku dhawaaqaysa hadeey ku dhawaaqiwaysi.

[Osob101]

Osob101,

Incase dagaal dhaco I will come rescue you commando style

Arooye who are we kidding here? Me and you are both not naturally born citizens of Somalia but at least I have heard gunshots and explosion so I think I will be doing the saving here.

We all know there is corruption but trust me, it’s nothing like 2012 when I was working there. With each passing time and government we are improving and Yes I totally agree that One Man One Vote is impossible to hold. I just want the peace and nation building to continue while we at the same time make sure Al Shabab and it’s ideology is eliminated.

Abdiwahabow

I completely agree the system is broken and needs a complete overhaul. If it was my call I say eliminate the 4.5 system because as long as that’s around than we are a cursed society.

[Osob101]

I honestly don’t understand what the hell both sides on the argument are talking about or even fighting for. My personal opinion is two fold.

1) Do I want the election to be postponed? Absolutely not because obviously I am in the opposition of the current government in power.

2) Do I feel like not holding the election is worth a civil war and going back years in progress? HELL NO

Why can’t these fools in the government and opposition just come up with a solution that is satisfactory to both sides and think about the nation instead of their pockets and power? From even reading just this site, it’s either people are adamant for the election to happen at all cost or the government has to get the extension at all cost LOL. I feel like am all alone in my opinion and the only undecided person

To be honest I don't think Opposition would refuse to sit down with Dowladda together with FMS and discuss the next step. Remember Hassan sheikh and Sheikh Shariif already sat down with Farmaajo after the beledweyn incident. Remember how Farmaajo refused media to be part of the meeting.

Look how quiet dowladda are. Too much signs of in doorasho la dooneyn.These suspicions started already in the beginning of 2019.

Also remember how Hassan sheikh a year before the election said he cannot deliver 1M1V and doorashada will be based on a parliamentary vote. Secondly Farmaajo was so against extension by HSM why should we accept extension by him now?

Thirdly wixii la qariyo qurun aa ku jirtaa is my motto.


Now I'm sitting back and watching this. Mudulood grand conference in 3 weeks. Will be interesting to see.

I know the government and opposition have met and the whole Saga but let’s be realistic here too. In Somalia there is 1000s of opposition and even if you please a 100 than 100s more will remain. Do I want an extension of the No but at the same time o don’t want the progress of all these years to go to waste if it means just giving them an extension for 12 months. I just want peace and progress and those Oil wells to be dug as soon as possible.

[Nomand]

It is deep rooted issue than elections, Power and greed are the two main factors behind the whole shebang. Let us not forget as well, the bloodless-coup that propelled Siad Barre to power, and how it pans out...the same thing that opposition groups are wary of repeating it.
Barre's then mandate was to prepare the country for general elaction within limited time, which later turned into bloody dictatorship rule of 21 years.

Now, this government had skipped many constitutional articles, cut corners, and have taken diffrent direction than the agreed one hence the suspicion of oppsition groups. Lastly, there's always the anti-establishment group (xaaraan-ku naaxayaal) whose intention is to never get any functioning government as it destroys their interest.

1) what constitutional articles was skipped by this government give us examples

2) what was the agreed direction? and how did this government take the country in a different direction

answer those two questions, you can't just write stuff without any backup

I am not arguing with a blind supporter. Here's the constitution read it and see it for yourself. Have they followed any of it?
https://blaw05.files.wordpress.com/2016 ... a-ifcc.pdf

kkkkk, so basically you have zero evidence to back up any of your outlandish statements.

as for your cheap deflection of me being a blind support, sxb niggaz in here like dalalos and voltage went against me because i criticized farmaajo when farmaajo needed to be criticized and anyone here in somalinet can vouch for that.

but you on the other hand are nothing but a blind mucaarid who is repeating the talking points of hassan sheikh and abdishakur without any original thought whatsoever which is why you cannot defend your statement and have resulted in such a weak response.

and the only reason why you are against farmaajo is because of your uncle madoobe. if farmaajo legitimized your uncle you would do a 180 degrees and support farmaajo. so save me the bullshit of dastuur when you clearly have no knowledge whats in it or even give a rats ass about it

[zidane88]

1) what constitutional articles was skipped by this government give us examples

2) what was the agreed direction? and how did this government take the country in a different direction

answer those two questions, you can't just write stuff without any backup

I am not arguing with a blind supporter. Here's the constitution read it and see it for yourself. Have they followed any of it?
https://blaw05.files.wordpress.com/2016 ... a-ifcc.pdf

kkkkk, so basically you have zero evidence to back up any of your outlandish statements.

as for your cheap deflection of me being a blind support, sxb niggaz in here like dalalos and voltage went against me because i criticized farmaajo when farmaajo needed to be criticized and anyone here in somalinet can vouch for that.

but you on the other hand are nothing but a blind mucaarid who is repeating the talking points of hassan sheikh and abdishakur without any original thought whatsoever which is why you cannot defend your statement and have resulted in such a weak response.

and the only reason why you are against farmaajo is because of your uncle madoobe. if farmaajo legitimized your uncle you would do a 180 degrees and support farmaajo. so save me the bullshit of dastuur when you clearly have no knowledge whats in it or even give a rats ass about it

wouldn't be easier for you to say i can't read Somali or don't have any objection?

[Nomand]

I am not arguing with a blind supporter. Here's the constitution read it and see it for yourself. Have they followed any of it?
https://blaw05.files.wordpress.com/2016 ... a-ifcc.pdf

kkkkk, so basically you have zero evidence to back up any of your outlandish statements.

as for your cheap deflection of me being a blind support, sxb niggaz in here like dalalos and voltage went against me because i criticized farmaajo when farmaajo needed to be criticized and anyone here in somalinet can vouch for that.

but you on the other hand are nothing but a blind mucaarid who is repeating the talking points of hassan sheikh and abdishakur without any original thought whatsoever which is why you cannot defend your statement and have resulted in such a weak response.

and the only reason why you are against farmaajo is because of your uncle madoobe. if farmaajo legitimized your uncle you would do a 180 degrees and support farmaajo. so save me the bullshit of dastuur when you clearly have no knowledge whats in it or even give a rats ass about it

wouldn't be easier for you to say i can't read Somali or don't have any objection?

i don't know which is worse, your outlandish statements or your weak ass response when challenged on it.

[zidane88]

What challenge? I am sure you haven't even read the link but come up with counter argument out of thin air. let me give you a real challenge kid
read the following articles: 48, 50.52, 53.60,61,and 78 and come up with real challenge. Don't overuse the word "challenge!

[zidane88]

Noman kid, take that as a homework and come back with concrete challenge, other than that the discussion won't be ensued had you try your hearsay and gibberish argument.

[Nomand]

hahaha,

somali and madax adeeg, haha. if i was to say for example "Manchester united is the best team in england" and if someone challenged me on that i would have atleast one or two examples such as

1) they won the most premier titles

but you sxb said an outlandish statement and cannot even back it up with one single evidence, and i know exactly where you heard it from hassan sheikh and abdishakur.


which is the reason why you are deflecting, because you have no answer. because you heard it without fact checking yourself nor read the constitution or even know what the hell you are talking about.

who the hell says "Now, this government had skipped many constitutional articles" and cannot even provide what articles it skipped and what the hell does "skipped" even mean in this context ?

and the funny thing is then you are telling "go and look at the articles it skipped"

when nigga i don't even believe the shit you wrote, it like telling someone "there is a ghost in that cubboard go and look for it" , kkk walaahi now i have heard it all

[zidane88]

You either thick or arguing for the sake of the argument. In a layman's term:
Check again the articles i have chosen for you, read it, check it whether the government has followed it.
Come back with your counter argument without deflecting the topic.
I won't entertain with you in meaningless squabble. The home work still stands.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

You either thick or arguing for the sake of the argument. In a layman's term:
Check again the articles i have chosen for you, read it, check it whether the government has followed it.
Come back with your counter argument without deflecting the topic.
I won't entertain with you in meaningless squabble. The home work still stands.

Sxb dont waste your time. You gave him the articles. That's it. Normand, Saadam etc are cayayanka baraha bulshada. Waste no time. Talk to murax if you want a fruitful discussion.

[Nomand]

You either thick or arguing for the sake of the argument. In a layman's term:
Check again the articles i have chosen for you, read it, check it whether the government has followed it.
Come back with your counter argument without deflecting the topic.
I won't entertain with you in meaningless squabble. The home work still stands.

This is my last response to you sxb, next time you come up with Bullshit you better have evidence to back up.

Those articles don't even answer anything you said they are statements. It does not answer how the goverment "skipped those articles"

But I see you are burying your head in the sand so no need to go further.

[original dervish]

I think Farmaajo is trying to call the bluff of the hag masses.

Either let me stay in power or destroy the progress of the last 13 years.

As usual Farmaajo has miscalculated......he will be ousted in a bloodless coup and a new hagite administration will be sworn in.

[sahal80]

I think Farmaajo is trying to call the bluff of the hag masses.

Either let me stay in power or destroy the progress of the last 13 years.

As usual Farmaajo has miscalculated......he will be ousted in a bloodless coup and a new hagite administration will be sworn in.

The only damage Farmaajo can cause to Xamar if he tries to cling to power is things getting out of hand not bc i fear al shabaab or Daesh as the westerners fear based on what happened in Syria and iraq and Lebya and how this will impact on their own security via somali diaspora, i fear the resurgence of clan militias and non state actors bc each hawiye subclan controls some xaafado in Xamar. Tarsan had no power in Xamar there were two many powerful self appointed district commissioners like ahmed daaci and militia leaders like abdiwaal and indhacado. they got removed slowly under muungaab when sanbalolshe was the NISA director. al shabaab aa maalin madiina ku soo carartey that why ahmed daaci was controlling there bc it was not under direct control of the govt and they were getting safe passage under him so sanbaloolahe attacked him and then muungaab started appointing new young faces for all districts. muungaab was the first mayor with central power. ayadoon hal dhiig ka dhicin ay cayr xaafadahooda qabsan karaan, sacad sidoo kale, harti abgaal sidoo kale, wacbuudhan abgaal sidoo kale, murusade sudoo kale even hawadle subdistict aka waax. only the rich suburbs of xamar like daarasalam will be much safer cause of their security comapanies. Xamar Meel fog ay ka timid pls Farmaajo si nabad ah u dhiib xukunka waxaa lagugu wareejiyay magaalo nidaamsan iyo labada shabeele oo xor ah maantana meel la maro maleh xayaa jowhar gudaheeda dhismayaashii maamulka waa istaageen in leen meesha dhagaaxnta laga keeno al shabaab aa heesato

watch this video at 11, 24-27 sida before 2014 xamar ukala xirneed