Rashid Abdi, you are NOT an "educator," Sir. You forfeited & gravely injured a star inflight. Critique is what you need.

[STARKAST]

It has been confirmed many times he is Boran.

He is anti Somali because Boran have insignificance in Kenya and he is anti MX because Reer Gurre took claim of Gedo.
He is a Kenyan Boran who hold hatred against Somali Conquerors.

Every word he utters about somalia is a absolute disgrace and failure on Somalis.

One of the notable things that the FGS did is blacklist his ass as well as Sahan group et al.

[Gubbet]

Sbashi,

You are showing Phonetic mix up. There js5;

1. Gerri (Jigjiga)--- "Giraffe"/tall

2. Garre (Mandera) ---Bearded/Justice

And then there is what I am talking about here

3. Gurri (Marehan) ---Homestead/Settlers

4. Gurre (Dir) ---- Forage/Grazers

Have you never come across the Gurre Sbashi?

I have met a Gurre who speaks Afaan-Oromo as well and has family in Nageyle and Dirir Dhaba.

They have a fair skin most of them, like Rashid Abdi, which is also a feature in the Marehan/Reer Gurri---significantly lighter than most Somalis in southern Ethiopia who are all a deep shade of mahogany like Karanle amd Ajuuraan.

They are the 2nd largest group of Deka-Suftu after Marehan and they are the majority of Qarsaduulaa woreda of Afdheer immediately to the north of Deka Suftu.

[Gubbet]

It has been confirmed many times he is Boran.

He is anti Somali because Boran have insignificance in Kenya and he is anti MX because Reer Gurre took claim of Gedo.
He is a Kenyan Boran who hold hatred against Somali Conquerors.

Every word he utters about somalia is a absolute disgrace and failure on Somalis.

One of the notable things that the FGS did is blacklist his ass as well as Sahan group et al.

Where has it been confirmed? I have not seen it and would like to see it.

I strongly doubt he is Borana, because of 2 reasons;

1. He is Somali cultured/reared

2. His background is Muslim


Borana, besides being a huge nation part of a bigger cultural nation (Oromo) are the most respected and privileged GADDA moiety in all of Orommumma.

I don't know if you understand Oromo culture, but the Borana are the "PUREBLOOD/OLD PEDIGREE" whose cultural traditional "dhaqan/caado" is considered the most "NOBLE" by Oromo where near the Sudanese border or the Red Sea.

This is why Borana have proven resistant to both Somalization and Islamization.

They are the ones who have turned others to their culture like the Gabra, the Wa-Boni, the Sakuye, and Gabra-Miigoo.

Even turning Somali groups like the Garre (af-Garre is basically Borana) and Ajuuraan who are bilangual now.

It is one thing for a Borana to have become a MUSLIM CONVERT, but it is another for him to come from a Muslim Background as Rashid does.

AND EVEN THEN, it is even more odd for him to have taken on Somali culture/language and show having been reared in it.

Don't let our cultural hubris fool you, they have just as strong cultural hubris and pride in their Moeity----considered by almost 50 million Oromo as the most noble form of Orommumma.

However, it is possible what is being alluded to MAY BE the "ORMA TANA" /Wardeey who were subjugated and even enslaved by Somalis before emancipation by the British line between Somalis and Orma.

The Orma however don't have much to do with Marehan.

It was entirely the Ogaden/Talomoge (Abdalla and Caabudwaaq) on the Tana River who subjugated them.

If he should have a bias, it should be against Ogaadeen?

[Gubbet]

What if the "Guurre/Gurre" are really---rememnants of the Marehan GURRI-----who disassociated themselves, even if they didn't go far, because of the consequences of Marehan's infamously known historical discrimination towards a section within

My. God.

I always thought the Gurre were lost Karanle/Hawiye as noted in Babile recent skirmishes where many complained that Oromos were "absorbing" these isolated Somali communities. We need to study Reer Guri Migration and the servile relations between Marehan and their former Boran hosts. Perhaps the resentment lies there as I remember reading that Marehan used them as servile class. Please can you readdress those documents? It was observed by Cerulli I believe.

Marehan have not been the nicest people in history. We have left a depressing trail my friend.

All the people who live among or near us describe us as "tolerant," but Marehan has had a blood thirsty need to "dominate" wherever he lives. There is no way Marehan has persisted in living under another in an area we settled historically. So we were tolerant, after we had seized all competitive control or advantage and our law was supreme.

I suppose that's the law of the Jungle and what any group would want, but not every group had the means, capability, and always achieved that objective wherever they considered their clan territory.

We have left quite a trail we have never followed back to see what we created behind us.

[KUSH]

Who the F gave these boons Internet. Wallahi the lowest and most uncivilized MX boons have destroyed Somalinet.

[Gubbet]

Who the F gave these boons Internet. Wallahi the lowest and most uncivilized MX boons have destroyed Somalinet.

Here is one of the ones I talked about on the first page, ironically enough. He is couple nicks, equally divided between Isaaq and Ogaadeen weirdly enough. They seem to share this odd feature.

I would wager Rashid is a Guurre/Gurre as is the Maalim fellow as is Eaglehawk as are one or two people on those forum over the years who have been the most obsessed with both Marehan history AND myself as a person who likes to research

[grandpakhalif]

What if the "Guurre/Gurre" are really---rememnants of the Marehan GURRI-----who disassociated themselves, even if they didn't go far, because of the consequences of Marehan's infamously known historical discrimination towards a section within

My. God.

I always thought the Gurre were lost Karanle/Hawiye as noted in Babile recent skirmishes where many complained that Oromos were "absorbing" these isolated Somali communities. We need to study Reer Guri Migration and the servile relations between Marehan and their former Boran hosts. Perhaps the resentment lies there as I remember reading that Marehan used them as servile class. Please can you readdress those documents? It was observed by Cerulli I believe.

Marehan have not been the nicest people in history. We have left a depressing trail my friend.

All the people who live among or near us describe us as "tolerant," but Marehan has had a blood thirsty need to "dominate" wherever he lives. There is no way Marehan has persisted in living under another in an area we settled historically. So we were tolerant, after we had seized all competitive control or advantage and our law was supreme.

I suppose that's the law of the Jungle and what any group would want, but not every group had the means, capability, and always achieved that objective wherever they considered their clan territory.

We have left quite a trail we have never followed back to see what we created behind us.

Interesting response, on a side note do you have any historical references to the pre Marehan history of Baardheere? I believe it was the religious base for the Geledi Sultanate? The fire of Barrdheere that destroyed many homes is also very interesting tidbit and I wanna learn more do you have any info?

[Murax]

One of the many folklore stories if MX/Booraan in Gedo. When the first MX arrived in Gedo Booraan behedded a kid. The few MX at that time not only didn’t retaliate but they brought the Booraan a gift. This was part of a overall strategy of lulling Booraan to sleep until more MX arrived from Wardheer. Once more MX came the attack was on, and Booraan were routed deep into Ethiopia/Kenya primarily by Reer Xassan conquerers.



“ By 1850, one of the Darod Somali groups, the Marehan crossed the Juba in force. In 1865 they went on to break the Tana Galla[sic] and by 1880 had turned on the Boran. Pagan peoples in this region were now being dominated by Muslims, and peasants by nomads from the north."[7]”

[Gubbet]

Grandpa-

Baal Tir (Baardheere) was not the base of the Geledi; it was completely mischaracterized like almost all things oral Somali history.

The Geledi are the social organization that formed and existed on the shamba (agricultural area) of Geledi today known as "Afgooye."

The history is long to contextualize, but basically it all had to do with the fall of Harar to the Abbysinians.

The utter lack of context is what is so fascinating about Somali oral history (which was carte blanche picked up by Orientalism and really not even critiqued, but lazily presented as personal research achievement---get this, cleverly not marketed as "history" but "ethnography" as history requires critique and ethnography is just narration). The utter lack of context makes it seem as if this was ALL a unique occurrence being informed only by localized actors.

Well, NO.

The formation of Baardheere, the move of the Jamaaca from Afgooye-Marka to the Jubba, the Merka Biyamaal resistance, the Gaaljecel Sheikh Barsane Shabelle Valley uprising, the formation of Hargeisa as Harar-as-saqiir by Sh Madar, the Qadiriyah Mad Mullah uprising, even the Western Darod (Ogaden and Marehan) movement across the Shabelle River to the Jubba----ALL HAD TO DO WITH THE ABBYSINIAN CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS CAPITAL OF THE SOMALI PEOPLE NAMELY THE CITY OF HARAR.

And in fact, the capture of Harar especially.

I don't want to repeat it all, but here is an out of breath attempt at trying to explain this all.

The term "Zawiya" seems to have fallen out of favor all over the Muslim world for a Dariqa/Tariqa base which can explain modern revision, but THE TERM WAS THE MOST POPULAR TERM IN THE MIDDLE AGES FOR A SUFI DARIQA.

Today in Somalia we call them Jamaaca and in nomadic camps we call them Xer, but during the existence of Islamic Kingdoms situated in Harar/Adal, there were STATE FINANCED "ZAWIYAH" which were direct investments by the Amir in Harar. To the Somali coast, there were two IMPORTANT ZAWIYAHS DOWNSTREAM THE Shabelle from Harar to the Benadir coast who also acted as unofficial "eyes/ears" and a from of cultural emissary keeping the Harar Emirate intimately aware of all events to the Muslim Somali coast of Benadir.

These two important Shabelle Zawiyah or Xer were IIMEEY (IME) and MERCA.

Even THE EXISTENCE OR DEVELOPMENT OF THE BAARDHEERE JAMAACA WAS A RESULT OF THE ETHIOPIAN SEIZURE OF HARAR UNDER Menelik.

IT seems the fall of Harar and the vulnerability it brought to the Zawiya in Shabelle River Valley caused a panic and move as a way to avoid or overcome the destruction of the old system (the capture of Harar). The Tariqa moved from the Shabelle to the Jubba rebranding itself as JAMAACA, this time in BAARDHEERE.

It is not a coincidence that the first and most enduring resistance to colonialism in Somalia begin with DARIQA/ZAWIYAH/JAMAACA from the Sayid (who collected first supporters from the Harar-linkrd- Dariqa he used to band and forcefully cobble clan loyalties around him) to the Italian resistance of SHEEKH AWEES/THE GAALJECEL BARSANE/MERKA BIYAMAAL all part of the same Harar-linked-Zawiyah brotherhood with final link at Merca.

The same reason that HARGEISA started as HARAR-AS-SAQIIR ("AS-SAGHER") by Sheekh Madar, Zawiyah brotherhood member in Harar first

IS THE SAME REASON why IIMEEY or the strongest Zawiyah mission downstream the Shabelle birthed the mythical Ajuuraan Kingdom with the newest creations origins story of the reorganization of the Jamaaca into a XEER POLITY ("Somali tribe/clan) after fall of Harar and the end of the Islamic Polity holding them together after seizure of Harar.

IS THE SAME REASON that reconfigured the southern most chain of the Zawiya based im Lower Shabelle into a similar Xeer reconfiguration founded where the Merka Zawiye fled to restart in the upper Jubba Valley (NOTE THAT LUGH FOUNDED TO PROVIDE TRADE TO THE NEW MARKET IN BAARDHEERE WAS FOUNDED BY THE GASAARGUDE WHO.SO.HAPPEN.TO.HAVE.BECOME THE SULTAN/NOBILITY OF THE THEN NEW XEER POLITY REPLACING THE END OF THE ISLAMIC POLITY. THAT XEER POLITIY IS MIRIFLE OR RAHANWAYN EVEN TODAY WITH GASAARGUDE AS BOQORO).

YOU will note even that at the end the Sayid as part of this trajectory DIED IN IIMEEY or that the ONLY Ajuuraan "Sultan" anyone can ever name or existed for that matter Sultan Olol Diinle is from Iimeey.

In the end the AJUURAAN "KINGDOM" was like KENADID'S SULTANATE.

They were real and not imaginary, but they were neither a kingdom nor a Sultanate but transitory, temporary moments in time filling the space abdicated to confusion and disorder.

Like before the moment, there was nothing ness after but MYTHOLOGY

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6#p4983782

So, the Gobroon as the authority over the Shamba of Geledi (Afgooye-Marka) did not like or appreciate the loss of prestige and also market the Shamba suffered after the Zawiyah in Merka/Shabelle area moved out and rebranded itself the Jamaaca of Baardheere.

This is why the Gobroon as the authority over the Tunni in Geledi organized all it could from the Tunni to go and attack the Baardheere Jamaaca with the intention of bringing it back to the Benadir Adfooye-Marka coast.


Ir waz all economic fed by what was the basis or catalyst of change in the Somali Peninsula up and down ; the fall and seizure and occupation of the historic spiritual and religious Capital of the Somali people; the Emirate of Harar.

[Gubbet]

I don't even think---as I have seen very little evidence from our so called "historians," whose subject of study is hardly past post-Colonial "elementary introductions" into Somalia---have made the connection between the fall of Harar and the entire whirlwind or metamorphosis of Somali socio-political foundations in the mid to late 1800's.

Even colonialism wasn't the cause (at least beyond supplying firearms to the Abbysinians allowing for invasion of Harar), most of the fundamental changes in that period correlated with colonialism's direct impact of Somalis, it didn't cause it. Cutting the umbilical cord betweem the Somali peoole and their historic spiritual and religious capital and guide of the Emirate of Harar is the cause of much of those foundamental changes.

And it was ALL a response to the fact the link no longer existed which has sort of created the wrong understanding, as the effect is not what is the most informing thing, but the cause.

Yet, we don't even imagine that a cause existes as we are completely such a modern product of the effect.

It is like you are forcefully moved out of home and the rebranding and resetting is so complete in the new environment, you no longer are even aware that there was life/cause before the effect

[grandpakhalif]

Gubbet very interesting! But what lead to the fire in Baal Tir aka Baardheere which caused utter destruction? Was there intra civil war in the Jamacaa? Is this that what lead to the weakening of the Zaawiyah polity in Jubba and why did these jamacaas not thrive in the south post colonialism with only xeer remnants remaining? So much of our history is shadowed by tribal strife we forget thay religious strife also existed

[mahoka]

Imagine making threads and crying about some guy on twitter putting out his opinions. The problem darod have is they take everything personally lol, very insecure trait-

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Reer Guuri the most militant section of the holy line of Sade. Proud of it and won’t apologize for it. We built the foundations our brethrens live in. They won’t accept our sincerity anyways. Somalis are all munafiqs.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Imagine making threads and crying about some guy on twitter putting out his opinions. The problem darod have is they take everything personally lol, very insecure trait-

Shut up. You’re only saying this to gaslight the fact he’s the biggest booster of Somaliland on Twitter. Makes sense with his background of coming from a disenfranchised minority clan that was armed and given state protection by the British Empire. From British Somaliland to British East Africa. There were clans who resisted and clans who were under protection. Fits a pattern no? Somalis know each other, the audience was never us.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet very interesting! But what lead to the fire in Baal Tir aka Baardheere which caused utter destruction? Was there intra civil war in the Jamacaa? Is this that what lead to the weakening of the Zaawiyah polity in Jubba and why did these jamacaas not thrive in the south post colonialism with only xeer remnants remaining? So much of our history is shadowed by tribal strife we forget thay religious strife also existed

Very simple.

Because of Saddam-Mariixmaan, and Sbashi, and Murax, and myself and you.

The movement of the sedentary, riverine Jamaca kibuttz sort mixed land tilling/religious missionary wasn't the only consequence of the Abyssinian movements and seizure of Harar.

The migration of the nomadic Somalis of the nearby central plateua and larger Shabelle Valley livelihood zone was the other major consequence.

Largely led by the Western Darod (the Talomoge/Ogaden and the rer Hassan/Marehan), but also including many Hawiye and Dir like Degoodiye, Muralle, Gugundhabe, Surre, etc---

---they were entering the Jubba Valley from the north and Chereti zone of Somalia Region Ethiopia, crossing the Dawa River to Luuq and moving south towards Afmadoow and southwest towards the Tana River and West towards Ceel-waaq and Wajeer and northwest towards Mandera and Mooyaale.

The Jamaaca itself a desperate attempt to survive the destruction of its official Zawiyah original basis and with competition from the forming Xeer polity led by the Gasaargude of Luuq slowly responding to the unmoored or adrift context of the Jamaaca having lost its guardian, all of a sudden a transformational population displacement is in effect ON THE SAME LAND AND BY NOMADIC, SOMALIS WITH ADVANCED STAGES OF XEER POLITY FORMATION.

Even Harar, originally, had two different systems of influence with the two different Somali cultural groups.

The Zawiyah was for the riverine, settled, agricultural or somewhat ageopastoral branch of the Somalis.

The Abegaz ("Ugaas") system of regional or borderland trade route security "enforcers" was the system for the nomadic, highly segmented, Xeer lineage groups. The Abegaz system by then had even be coopted by the advanced Xeer polity basis of the nomadic culture and had become hereditary, informing just another manifestation of the Xeer polity's developed status ("Clan group").

The Jamaaca or the spiritually bondad fellowship stood no chance as something equal to the power, loyalty, and security, and even intimate fraternity represented by the blood bonded temporal fellowship of Kith and Kin. ("Fiqi tolkii kama janno tago"---"Of Heaven and Kin, Kin has no equal" ).

By the time the Brits and the Italians were intruding in the Jubba Valley, even Freed men of disparate origins united by nothing but experiencing bondage together were themselves due to the heavy influence and impact of the nomadic migrants, displaying the their own formation or Xeer polity development adapted from the migrating nomads.

For example, the clans of freed men led by Nasiib Bundo

And of course when the colonists settled, even if they didn't actively cause these individual metamorphosis, they affected it by cementing these developments through codification nand institutionalization.

And there ended the Jamaaca as administrative organization of any particular territory. What was left of it would flee in various directions toward the interior and Benadir and reincarnate as remote disparate Qur'an learning and memorization outposts near settled farming communities in Bay and Lower Shabelle Regions with a sort of unofficial leading outpost being taken by Qoryoolay--- that development itself primarily due to the Sheekhaal xeer polity's ("clan") joint investment into the base as a xeer/"clan" entity.