If Ethiopia breaks apart

[Thecoolguysomali]

Why have you given Dire Dawa to Oromo?
The Somali region should break away then immediately expand to the highest points of the Bale mountains, the origin of Jubba and Shabelle rivers.

Unfortunately we are a minority in Dire Dawa and certainly Oromos are the largest ethnic group in that city, maybe even over 50%. We would have to commit ethnic cleansing to change the current demography and that's something I would never support

Fuck off you sheegato cunt

Unfortunately it is true, but I understand the tear gas from siad barrels bombs has blinded your brain from understanding simple facts, my condolences

[mahor]

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[mahor]

Ethiopia is like the Indian cast system. The Highland Amhara/Togray fight amongst themselves with the slave cast Oromo, Somali, Anfar, etc fighting for both sides like janissaries. Believe me I have zero joy in saying this but sadly it’s the truth. When either Amhara or Tigray win, the rest will bend the knee.


Somalinimo is not a monolithic identity in Ethiopia. Closest thing to unity is the Darood in Wardheer who seem to get along, but Even that is a distant relationship. For the most part Somalis are disparate groups, and everyone for themself. Ogadeen, Degoodiye, Ciise, Harti, Sheikhaal, MX have nothing to do with each other. This is in contrast to Tigray, Amharics who have a single unified identity, and cause unlike Somalis.

You're right about the somali/tigray/amhara example, however national boundaries can also be a cause of separation. The tigrays in Ethiopia and Eritrea are very similar and share history, culture, language and blood, and historically heavily intermarried, but yet since being divided by colonial borders have turned into enemies.
For example, Eritrea under the helm of a tigray pres slaughtered their kinsmen across the border alongside the rest of the Ethiopian army, which is a sad sight. Obv clan is the cause of division in and out of somalia, however we haven't gotten to the stage where national boundaries could be the prime divider and source of hostility, a future case study could be somaliland if it ever succeeds in seceding.

[mahor]

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[mahor]

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d/p

[TarTar]

While I prefer Ethiopia to remain one country and follow Kenya's example of rejecting both ethnic federalism and the naming of regions after ethnicities/tribes, if Ethiopia was to disintegrate it should be divided into only THREE countries

1. Republic of North Ethiopia (Tigray, Amhara, Afar and Beninshagul Gumuz)
2. State of West Somalia (only DDS)
3. Republic of South Ethiopia (Gambella, Oromia, Southern NNP region, Sidama, Harari, Dire Dawa and Addis Ababa)

The capital of North Ethiopia could be a city in Tigray but not Mekele (eg Shire or Adwa)

The capital of South Ethiopia could be a city in Oromia but not Addis Ababa (eg Adama). Also Addis Ababa could be renamed Finfinne

here is how it go
1. north Ethiopia not gonna work unless u remove amhara hegemony scaring away the other 3 tribes
2. we get haud n reserves. djibouti get diridewa n shinille. the rest of of somali ethiopia join tha ex italian colony
3. don't know don't care to get bothered over wut da rest of ethiopia decide. upto them

Also bigbreak isn’t a lander or isaaq but one of the langaab doofars such as qurjile or boon.

dude bigbreak is garhajis. i think his abtis r hawiya or somthing cause he know a about political developments in Hamar

[mahoka]

I find it irnoric and hyoprcitial that an idoor wnats somalia to break apart, desires somaliland to be recongised despite somalia being virtually 1 ethnic group, 1 language and one deen

yet desires to keep ethiopia tetgher with 99 languages, 87 ethnic groups, agew alone have 7 languages

it beggars believe of the hypocrisy and it stinks, that an idoor wishes and prays for ethiopain unity, a fake country crafted by the white men 100 years ago

amazing and the low IQ and the cuqdad idoor has for other somalis, no wonder they say langab are ehel naar

this fake nation created by whites for christians as as unnatural as a men pretending to be a women who desires to be accepted as a lady who is feminine and born as a women, - it will not happen, its why its a shythole country despite 3 billion in military aid each other,

Aren’t you a doofar, you are a servant of Christian nations of Ethiopia and Kenya - today you are giving kismayo to Kenya, your darod children and boys are literally fighting for and dying for amhara (cagjar sent all darod teens and men to fight for darod master amhara)

P.s if idoor had cuqdad for other Somalis surely they would do what doofar has done and literally bring black Christian armies to kill somali Muslims like darod invited Ethiopian troops to kill 30,000 Muslims in Mogadishu in 2006 or how doofar invited Kenya to kill and kick out the Somalis of kismayo so darod can settle in kismayo and Kenya can take over kismayo.

Nes flash boy, idoors in gaashambo were forced to send in their boys too, did you forget where cagjar collected fighters from every degmo?

at least end of the day 2 men who are competing to become president of DDS are both OG, still isaaq lads are sent to the front line and isaaq will not get anything, admit it, idoor are sent to the front line and there is nothing isaaq can say or do to cagjar,

cagjar is a power hungary madmen, we like it that way for as long as we have one of the 9 regional presidents of ethiopia, and your irrelevant yet your kin will die for cagjar and his adventures

pray for ONLF to win the upcoming election, at least chairman abdirahman mahdi has the balls to say somali region somalis should arm their teeth to the hilt and be ready for a fight as ethiopia is falling, he has the balls to say this and still meet abiy ahmed and has the balls to say let habashi and oromo kill each other

would a idoor somaliland president have the guts to say our idoor in gaashambo should not be sent? or are they worried of cagjars wrath ?

Nice try doofar but we all know only darod pagans are fighting the Tigray for their amxaaro masters. No somali clan has sent its sons to fight for amxaaro Christians, this proves you darods are not somali but a bunch of oromo pagans.


Crazy thing is the only thing that unified the darod is fighting for Christian ethnic group of amxaaro, both the boons of farmaajo and the cagdheer who hate each other are now unified by serving their amxaro masters.

Farmaajo has sent mareexan and harti boys to fight the Tigray, cagjar has sent the cagdheer and langaab darods in k5 to fight against the Tigray.


This isn’t the first time darod is fighting for Christians, since 2009 darod pagans have been trying to help Kenya to try and take over the city of kismayo, in exchange Kenya promised darod that the Kenyan army will kill out Somalia who own the city and replace them with darod immigrants and settlers from Kenya and Ethiopia. Thankfully this plan hasn’t been successful and the darod pagans turned on each as you would expect rats to do

[Murax]

Ethiopia is like the Indian cast system. The Highland Amhara/Togray fight amongst themselves with the slave cast Oromo, Somali, Anfar, etc fighting for both sides like janissaries. Believe me I have zero joy in saying this but sadly it’s the truth. When either Amhara or Tigray win, the rest will bend the knee.


Somalinimo is not a monolithic identity in Ethiopia. Closest thing to unity is the Darood in Wardheer who seem to get along, but Even that is a distant relationship. For the most part Somalis are disparate groups, and everyone for themself. Ogadeen, Degoodiye, Ciise, Harti, Sheikhaal, MX have nothing to do with each other. This is in contrast to Tigray, Amharics who have a single unified identity, and cause unlike Somalis.

You're right about the somali/tigray/amhara example, however national boundaries can also be a cause of separation. The tigrays in Ethiopia and Eritrea are very similar and share history, culture, language and blood, and historically heavily intermarried, but yet since being divided by colonial borders have turned into enemies.
For example, Eritrea under the helm of a tigray pres slaughtered their kinsmen across the border alongside the rest of the Ethiopian army, which is a sad sight. Obv clan is the cause of division in and out of somalia, however we haven't gotten to the stage where national boundaries could be the prime divider and source of hostility, a future case study could be somaliland if it ever succeeds in seceding.

You did bring up a great point even I wondered about regarding Tigrays from Eritrea killing Tigrays in Ethiopia. Even then though you can make the argument that still reflects that they still believe strongly in their identity. Tigray Eritreans are fighting for a strong Eritrea, with a Ethiopian leader in Abiy who has zero ambition to ever dream of bringing Eritea back to Abysinnia. Ethiopian Tigray meanwhile wanted to drag Eritreans forcefully back into the Abysinnian yolk ignoring the sacrifices of Eritreans for independence. Sometimes part of surviving as an identity is being ruthless with your own kind. They think of it as self cleansing, and not as ‘killing your people’. TPLF want to re install a strong Ethiopia that is antagonist towards Eritrea, pushes for sanctions, while hoping to being it back to Ethiopia one day.

[Khalid Ali]

Tigrinya Eritrean now actually believe they are now different then Ethiopia tigrayas due to Italian border comission.. how ever during Eritrean independence war tigrayas supported Eritrean secession. Afewerki has a grandmother from tigray. I don't know if their division is based on clan . But they have awraja differences iits provinces. 3 province's in Eritrean and 6 in Ethiopia. Our conflict is that tribal issue for something for tribal reasons and against it for tribal reasons. For example in. Kilinka only Ogaden support ONLF ciise isaaq gadabuursi degodi.. they don't. People in Italian Somalia for tribal reasons support only somaliweyn. That Somaliland is part of it .but don't bother with jabuuti and nfd.

[zidane88]

Ethiopia breaking up is pie in the sky. The Glue that hold Ethiopia together has been the west. Had it not the west Ethiopia couldn't have been standing more than a decade. Now, the west isn't happy about Abiye massacring Tigrays and rejecting their calls.

The west supporting now Tigre and their aim is to establish highlander co-alition government, and when they succeed that the rest of Ethiopians would be subjected to submission with the blessing of the west as always.
Somalis in Ethiopia, has always been seen as foreigners (a theory created by Amhara and the rest of habeshas believed). Any hostility toward Somalis were/ would be seen as holy by the rest of Ethiopians.

The only hope Somalis have to have power in Ethiopia depends on a powerful Somali government in Somalia...something that died long ago. The Ethiopians know this and worked against it. so, it seems that your theories are emotional and baseless.

[Murax]

Ethiopia breaking up is pie in the sky. The Glue that hold Ethiopia together has been the west. Had it not the west Ethiopia couldn't have been standing more than a decade. Now, the west isn't happy about Abiye massacring Tigrays and rejecting their calls.

The west supporting now Tigre and their aim is to establish highlander co-alition government, and when they succeed that the rest of Ethiopians would be subjected to submission with the blessing of the west as always.
Somalis in Ethiopia, has always been seen as foreigners (a theory created by Amhara and the rest of rhabeshas believed). Any hostility toward Somalis were/ would be seen as holy by the rest of Ethiopians.

The only hope Somalis have to have power in Ethiopia depends on a powerful Somali government in Somalia...something that died long ago. The Ethiopians know this and worked against it. so, it seems that your theories are emotional and baseless.

I’ve heard very similar analysis not even from a Somali, but a retired Ethiopian intelligence officer who worked in the 70s. He said the West always supported a strong Ethiopia, and a weak subservient Somalia. Even look at the arms embargo. Ethiopia, could use heavy military grade weapons against civilian populations, yet Somalia will constantly be under an arms embargo. Afghanistan Government were given black hawks, tanks, mine resistant armored vehicles when they 100% knew it would end up in Taliban hands. Reason was desperation to prop up a fake Government with trillions of natural resources. Please don’t interpret this as me being a Guulwade for N&N but I’m saying in general the idea if an arms embargo at its core is not for sincere reasons.


So I agree there are enough cracks in the highlanders unity to exploit, but where as Somalia has zero friends, Ethiopia has nothing but friends.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Ethiopia is like the Indian cast system. The Highland Amhara/Togray fight amongst themselves with the slave cast Oromo, Somali, Anfar, etc fighting for both sides like janissaries. Believe me I have zero joy in saying this but sadly it’s the truth. When either Amhara or Tigray win, the rest will bend the knee.


Somalinimo is not a monolithic identity in Ethiopia. Closest thing to unity is the Darood in Wardheer who seem to get along, but Even that is a distant relationship. For the most part Somalis are disparate groups, and everyone for themself. Ogadeen, Degoodiye, Ciise, Harti, Sheikhaal, MX have nothing to do with each other. This is in contrast to Tigray, Amharics who have a single unified identity, and cause unlike Somalis.

You're right about the somali/tigray/amhara example, however national boundaries can also be a cause of separation. The tigrays in Ethiopia and Eritrea are very similar and share history, culture, language and blood, and historically heavily intermarried, but yet since being divided by colonial borders have turned into enemies.
For example, Eritrea under the helm of a tigray pres slaughtered their kinsmen across the border alongside the rest of the Ethiopian army, which is a sad sight. Obv clan is the cause of division in and out of somalia, however we haven't gotten to the stage where national boundaries could be the prime divider and source of hostility, a future case study could be somaliland if it ever succeeds in seceding.

You did bring up a great point even I wondered about regarding Tigrays from Eritrea killing Tigrays in Ethiopia. Even then though you can make the argument that still reflects that they still believe strongly in their identity. Tigray Eritreans are fighting for a strong Eritrea, with a Ethiopian leader in Abiy who has zero ambition to ever dream of bringing Eritea back to Abysinnia. Ethiopian Tigray meanwhile wanted to drag Eritreans forcefully back into the Abysinnian yolk ignoring the sacrifices of Eritreans for independence. Sometimes part of surviving as an identity is being ruthless with your own kind. They think of it as self cleansing, and not as ‘killing your people’. TPLF want to re install a strong Ethiopia that is antagonist towards Eritrea, pushes for sanctions, while hoping to being it back to Ethiopia one day.

Ethiopia is too big to fail. While Somalia on the other hand where I see our problem is the older generation who don’t understand how the world works and are corrupt to the core. Farmaajo is a miskeen. I expect in his second term to switch up his advisors and bring in the youth who know how the international system works. But that’s my opinion I’m not an expert.

[zidane88]

Ethiopia breaking up is pie in the sky. The Glue that hold Ethiopia together has been the west. Had it not the west Ethiopia couldn't have been standing more than a decade. Now, the west isn't happy about Abiye massacring Tigrays and rejecting their calls.

The west supporting now Tigre and their aim is to establish highlander co-alition government, and when they succeed that the rest of Ethiopians would be subjected to submission with the blessing of the west as always.
Somalis in Ethiopia, has always been seen as foreigners (a theory created by Amhara and the rest of rhabeshas believed). Any hostility toward Somalis were/ would be seen as holy by the rest of Ethiopians.

The only hope Somalis have to have power in Ethiopia depends on a powerful Somali government in Somalia...something that died long ago. The Ethiopians know this and worked against it. so, it seems that your theories are emotional and baseless.

I’ve heard very similar analysis not even from a Somali, but a retired Ethiopian intelligence officer who worked in the 70s. He said the West always supported a strong Ethiopia, and a weak subservient Somalia. Even look at the arms embargo. Ethiopia, could use heavy military grade weapons against civilian populations, yet Somalia will constantly be under an arms embargo. Afghanistan Government were given black hawks, tanks, mine resistant armored vehicles when they 100% knew it would end up in Taliban hands. Reason was desperation to prop up a fake Government with trillions of natural resources. Please don’t interpret this as me being a Guulwade for N&N but I’m saying in general the idea if an arms embargo at its core is not for sincere reasons.


So I agree there are enough cracks in the highlanders unity to exploit, but where as Somalia has zero friends, Ethiopia has nothing but friends.

exactly Murax. In 1991 Ethiopia was saved by the west after persuading Mengistu to leave the country, and helped the TPLF, while in Somalia were kept quiet. I remember USC, SNM, having offices in Rome, london, etc, and West were vocal in their support, but when Barre had left the country long silence had ensued.

[MidriGeez]

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You're right about the somali/tigray/amhara example, however national boundaries can also be a cause of separation. The tigrays in Ethiopia and Eritrea are very similar and share history, culture, language and blood, and historically heavily intermarried, but yet since being divided by colonial borders have turned into enemies.
For example, Eritrea under the helm of a tigray pres slaughtered their kinsmen across the border alongside the rest of the Ethiopian army, which is a sad sight. Obv clan is the cause of division in and out of somalia, however we haven't gotten to the stage where national boundaries could be the prime divider and source of hostility, a future case study could be somaliland if it ever succeeds in seceding.
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The Tigrigna of Eritrea and Tigray of Ethiopia do not share the same blood or history, its like saying the Bantu in south somalia and Darood share the same thing. Eritrean Tigrigna are more related to the Tigre of Eritrea like The Habab and Beni amer and even also the halenga In east Sudan. Eritrean Tigrigna are of belew kelew origin meaning they are Beja and Afar Mix, their history and Blood shows that this is why Eritrean slightly look more afari/somali taller on average Long neck pointy Nose etc. Tigrayans are of Agew and south Yemeni sabean Mix, you see Tigrayan spoke Sabean like 2000 years ago language similar to Harari while Eritrean Tigrigna spoke Geez. They adopted the Geez language from Eritreans, In Eritrea there are thousands of artifacts of Geez dating back 4000 years ago, but you will never find one older than 1500 years in Tigray because this is around the time they borrowed it, Then when eritrean invented Tigrigna almost 1000 years ago Tigrayan copied it again few hundred years ago, When ahmed Gragn invaded Tigray in the 16th century everything was still in geez. The only thing they share is religion and the language ( Tigrigna ) which the tigrayan adopted few hundred years ago and they still can't speak it properly you can still hear the agew/amharic tongue there. Eritrean call the tigrayan tigrigna " Dirty Tigrigna ".

[Khalid Ali]

Midrigees i hope everything is well with you .but i have a question . And something to say .you say tigrayan are sabean and there are no footprints of sabean in Eritrea are u telling us that sabeans had no influence in Eritrea. I dont think that i true . The beja thing can be true since beja defeated the axumites. But are u telling me there is a clear difference between akele guzay and agame when they border each other so close .and that they dont share the same ancestry.