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Re: Will ministers resign to force rooble out

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Both the PM and the President can dismiss any kind of minister which makes no sense
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Re: Will ministers resign to force rooble out

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MrSinister wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:56 am
WadaniggaBarakaysan wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
MrSinister wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:42 am Article 100 says it’s the PMs responsibility to appoint and dismiss ministers. The president appoints the PM and the PM appoints cabinet ministers.

You can stop pretending to care about the constitution as a failmajo supporter. No one believes you care about the constitution.
In order for the Prime Minister to dismiss any ministers he has to have the approval of the President. Article 90(e) states "Dismiss ministers, state ministers and deputy ministers on the recommendation of the Prime Minister;"

IF the president agrees with the PM's recommendation, then Article 100(b) which states "Appoint and dismiss members of the Council of Ministers;" can be invoked and the PM can exercise his power since he has the president's approval. Without the approval of the president, the PM cannot exercise his authority to dismiss any minister.
Where does it say that? You’re just making up stuff. The PM appoints and dismisses ministers. The president selects the PM. That’s why it’s important for the president to pick a PM that will do his bidding. But he has no power to stop the PM from choosing ministers. The president can dismiss the PM through parliament. The PM is not a ceremonial role as you make it out to be.
So, when Article 90(e) under the Powers of the President states "Dismiss ministers, state ministers and deputy ministers...on the RECOMMENDATION of the PM" what do you suppose that means? :lol:
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Re: Will ministers resign to force rooble out

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BigBreak wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:11 pm Both the PM and the President can dismiss any kind of minister which makes no sense
It is either a contradiction OR the PM can dismiss a minister after he recommends it to the president and the president agrees. If the president disagrees with the PM's recommendation then the PM cannot dismiss a minister.
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Re: Will ministers resign to force rooble out

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BigBreak wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:11 pm Both the PM and the President can dismiss any kind of minister which makes no sense
I find it funny how NN supporters have all of a sudden become expert legal scholars and are very fond of the constitution.

The best we can say is the provisional constitution is flawed and has lots of room for interpretation. But the PM is not a ceremonial role and no where does it say the PM needs approval from the president to appoint or dismiss ministers.
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Re: Will ministers resign to force rooble out

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MrSinister wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:22 pm
BigBreak wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:11 pm Both the PM and the President can dismiss any kind of minister which makes no sense
I find it funny how NN supporters have all of a sudden become expert legal scholars and are very fond of the constitution.

The best we can say is the provisional constitution is flawed and has lots of room for interpretation. But the PM is not a ceremonial role and no where does it say the PM needs approval from the president to appoint or dismiss ministers.
This isn't about growing fond of the constitution. This is about not violating the constitution and using the constitution to your advantage. Rooble violated the constitution. Simple. In fact, the Lower House in the Parliament has released a press statement today rejecting Rooble's actions. They stated the individual he has named to replace the Minister of Security was unconstitutional and illegitimate, thus the minister he attempted to remove will continue his job. :lol:

I guess you're going to say the Lower House in the Parliament are wrong too to suit your narrative, right?
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Re: Will ministers resign to force rooble out

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WadaniggaBarakaysan wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:56 pm
MrSinister wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:22 pm
BigBreak wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:11 pm Both the PM and the President can dismiss any kind of minister which makes no sense
I find it funny how NN supporters have all of a sudden become expert legal scholars and are very fond of the constitution.

The best we can say is the provisional constitution is flawed and has lots of room for interpretation. But the PM is not a ceremonial role and no where does it say the PM needs approval from the president to appoint or dismiss ministers.
This isn't about growing fond of the constitution. This is about not violating the constitution and using the constitution to your advantage. Rooble violated the constitution. Simple. In fact, the Lower House in the Parliament has released a press statement today rejecting Rooble's actions. They stated the individual he has named to replace the Minister of Security was unconstitutional and illegitimate, thus the minister he attempted to remove will continue his job. :lol:

I guess you're going to say the Lower House in the Parliament are wrong too to suit your narrative, right?
Somalia three main branches of legislative, executive and still waiting on Courts to reject this madman. He is trying to revert all the hard work to the naked corruption of 2016.
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Re: Will ministers resign to force rooble out

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Article 100 or 101 says the PM can unilaterally appoint and dismiss any other member of the cabinet whereas the president too can dismiss (not appoint) any member of the cabinet except the PM but only after he gets recommended to do so by the PM hence the president cannot unilaterally dismiss any minister, deputy minister or state minister
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