I see 0 evidence of "offensive" against Shabab. It is Shabab showing resurgence. The question should be why?
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Re: I see 0 evidence of "offensive" against Shabab. It is Shabab showing resurgence. The question should be why?
^ As qabiilistic society, we are all prone to form our "political" views based solely on expediency, laakin some emotionally-compromised faaraxs have, apparently, taken this natural predisposition of ours to a level that can only be described as beyond shameful.
Re: I see 0 evidence of "offensive" against Shabab. It is Shabab showing resurgence. The question should be why?
Gubbet,
Adaa gardaran brother. Optics is reality, and there is a time, place for everything. At another time once things come to a final conclusion it’s fair game to unravel the 5Ws. Otherwise it will come across right or wrong as sour grapes from a former N&N supporter. Al Shaydaan are evil devils, and I support 100% the idea if a Hawiye Kacdoon against them to liberate their regions. Now is the time for Niyad dhis, morale boosting, etc.
Adaa gardaran brother. Optics is reality, and there is a time, place for everything. At another time once things come to a final conclusion it’s fair game to unravel the 5Ws. Otherwise it will come across right or wrong as sour grapes from a former N&N supporter. Al Shaydaan are evil devils, and I support 100% the idea if a Hawiye Kacdoon against them to liberate their regions. Now is the time for Niyad dhis, morale boosting, etc.
Re: I see 0 evidence of "offensive" against Shabab. It is Shabab showing resurgence. The question should be why?
These social-media people always get this reaction out of me;AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:04 am Nn turned into Shabab.![]()
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Re: I see 0 evidence of "offensive" against Shabab. It is Shabab showing resurgence. The question should be why?
AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:42 pm
Truth is NN didn't actively fight shabab in those 5 years it had power.
Militarily they didn’t, even judicial reform wise not really. But they did seem to me like they were taking steps towards installing strong Government institutions like Army, Police, parliamentarians having power, taking steps towards corruption etc. Fighting Al Shaydaan head on, without a plan for the other stuff is useless. Read this article and tell me it’s not true
In Somalia, al-Shabab’s courts win more converts
More Somalis are losing faith in the country’s slow judicial process and taking their complaints to the armed group.
Al-Shabab fighters patrolling
Armed al-Shabab fighters patrol Bakara market in Mogadishu, Somalia, on Monday, June 29, 2009 [File: Mohamed Sheikh Nor/AP Photo]
By Bashir Mohamed Caato
Published On 14 Sep 2022
14 Sep 2022
In late December 2021, Halima (her real name withheld on request) boarded a minibus from Zoobe bus station in the Somali capital of Mogadishu to Ugunji, a farming village just outside the city, controlled by al-Shabab.
Her mission was to seek justice from the armed group after her plot of land was claimed by someone else who had reportedly forged documents to help his case.
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Arriving there after a tedious two-hour journey, Halima booked a room in a hotel made of mud and sticks. After breakfast the next morning, she went to a house in the heart of the village where the group was holding court, literally.
“I filed my litigation through a man with a garment that covered his head, providing all the documents to support my case, testimonies and the respondent’s contacts,” the 50 year old told Al Jazeera.
After four days in court, the case was determined in her favour and the defendant fully accepted the verdict. It was a vindication for Halima who turned to the armed group after losing faith in the ability of the country’s judicial institutions due to “corruption and favouritism”, she said.
Among Somalis, there is a widespread belief that federal and regional governments have failed in dispensing justice. The Banadir regional court in the capital, which has the jurisdiction to handle land disputes, is not an option for many, says Aweys Sheikh Abdullahi, one of its judges between 2016-2018.
“People also prefer al-Shabab system to avoid long process which can take years without the case proceeding, backlog resulting from lack of enough judges at the court and costly legal fees are some of the factors I have witnessed which discourage people,” he told Al Jazeera.
Sometimes, prosecuting a single case costs more than $5,000, he added.
Somalia has been constantly ranked at the bottom – or close to it – of Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index since 2006 and that has affected the country’s judiciary, residents and experts say. There are constant claims of judges subverting the law in favour of those with connections within the country’s distinct clan structure.
It is little wonder then, that the armed group has stepped in to fill the gap.
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A moral high ground
Al-Shabab, which is linked to al-Qaeda, was formed in 2006 to attempt an overthrow Somalia’s government and impose its strict Islamic legal code of Sharia.
Over the years, it has been running its own courts, mainly serving residents of the areas it controls. There is no precise data on the number of people who continue to seek judgements from al-Shabab but they are believed to be in the thousands.
In recent years, more citizens have turned to the group’s judiciary, including those living in government-controlled areas, because of its speed in handling cases and giving verdicts, usually with no advocate to represent either party.
It has even occasionally reversed official court decisions, according to local reports.
A June 2022 report by the policy think-tank International Crisis Group revealed that al-Shabab’s influence stems from its perceived “moral high ground”.
“There is a perception that they are less corrupt and give equal standing before the law, regardless of clan, than government courts,” Omar Mahmood, the senior researcher at ICG who wrote the report, told Al Jazeera.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022 ... -the-state I’m
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Re: I see 0 evidence of "offensive" against Shabab. It is Shabab showing resurgence. The question should be why?
Sxb, if there is something that has been 100% consistent about me in this forum, it would arguably be my healthy respect and appreciation for the role of constructive criticism in anything and everything, employed by my person extensively during the previous government and to be employed by my person now as well as in the future.Murax wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:20 pm Gubbet,
Adaa gardaran brother. Optics is reality, and there is a time, place for everything. At another time once things come to a final conclusion it’s fair game to unravel the 5Ws. Otherwise it will come across right or wrong as sour grapes from a former N&N supporter. Al Shaydaan are evil devils, and I support 100% the idea if a Hawiye Kacdoon against them to liberate their regions. Now is the time for Niyad dhis, morale boosting, etc.
This moment was made to be critiqued.
Re: I see 0 evidence of "offensive" against Shabab. It is Shabab showing resurgence. The question should be why?
Shabab have gained "more converts";
In Somalia, al-Shabab’s courts win more converts
In late December 2021, Halima (her real name withheld on request) boarded a minibus from Zoobe bus station in the Somali capital of Mogadishu to Ugunji, a farming village just outside the city, controlled by al-Shabab.
Her mission was to seek justice from the armed group after her plot of land was claimed by someone else who had reportedly forged documents to help his case.
Arriving there after a tedious two-hour journey, Halima booked a room in a hotel made of mud and sticks. After breakfast the next morning, she went to a house in the heart of the village where the group was holding court, literally.
“I filed my litigation through a man with a garment that covered his head, providing all the documents to support my case, testimonies and the respondent’s contacts,” the 50 year old told Al Jazeera.
After four days in court, the case was determined in her favour and the defendant fully accepted the verdict. It was a vindication for Halima who turned to the armed group after losing faith in the ability of the country’s judicial institutions due to “corruption and favouritism”, she said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022 ... -the-state
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