Reer somaliland crying about US Somalia ambassador for referring to them as Somalia

[Khalid Ali]

Khalid you are correct in your analysis.......however, things on the ground have changed. The tectonic plates have shifted against being part of SL and towards an autonomous SSC state of Somalia.

A lot of the new found political fervour is mostly based on emotion and tribalism, which doesn't bode well for the future. The fact still remains that the people have rejected SL......it will be impossible for any Dhulbahante leader to openly support SL without being deposed.

I really can't see a way back for SL. Attacking the Holy city and slaughtering its inhabitants is not a feasible option.

What I don’t understand is what have we ever done to your people for ur people. To have contempt or even this isaaq phobia and fear all I hear on social media iidoor are killing us apart from the xudun killings and the kalshaale. War. There have been zee incidents involved between isaaq and dhulbahante zero. Also. The entire uprise in laascanood was due to killing of dhulbahante by dhulbahante and then being blamed on the sl govt alll the people killed in laascanood were so called people allied or worked for the somaliland govt how on earth did we kill them
The diaspora are still in the 1990s. Civil war and still think it’s going on it’s going the the right direction now. Everything is calm. Now

[Khalid Ali]

Khalid

Forget warsangeli, they are 100% puntland and are fully integrated into the state. They are big players in puntland and have big stake in bossaso.

The dhulbahante are another story, some of them were pro Somaliland, but the latest clashes in Sool have turned them all against you. The thing with dhulbahante is that their diaspora is completely motivated against you. That’s where the organization and funding against Somaliland comes from. They have more animosity against you than Mj or other Darod. For that reason, realistically they will never part of Somaliland.

So you have only two option, give up on SSC and hope Somalia/Puntland agrees to a two state solution. The other option is you take over SSC cities by force. The truth is, Somaliland doesn’t have the military strength to be an occupying force as they were easily removed in Laas canood.

Wasakhgali have been anti somaliland I would concede that but not dhulbahante there have been some problems. Yes but w will come to an agreement now let’s do a Compranise I don’t think even the bunker will accept this. They want All of somaliland but we are willing. To give u eastern sanaag it has no value to us any way really but we will keep sool since their people are on board with us for the most part u can take that
By the way somaliland wasn’t removed from Laascanood. It pulled out to calm down the masses the somaliland army is still all around and every corner of laascanood the police the intelligence and mayor are still inside the city laascanood is somaliland and somaliland is laascanood it’s like saying afgoye isn’t somalia

[original dervish]

Finally Khalid is realising the futility of a military based solution.

Unfortunately Somalis always opt for the zero sum game. All or nothing......and it looks like you'll be getting nothing.

SL had the chance to work with moderate Dhulbahante whom could see the bigger picture and were willing to set aside ancient hatreds and work for the mutual benefit of all people.

Ali Khalif Galaydh (aun) and numerous other Dhulbahante notables offered SL an olive branch but were rebuffed and humiliated by an arrogant iidoor regime.

Now the people have spoken.

[original dervish]

By SL refusing to work with the moderates and choosing corrupt politicians and strongmen to subdue the people, you have left the way open for the extremists.

Today moderate voices have been silenced and the field abandoned to the extremists.

SL is throwing a ton load of money at the problem to no avail. They are in a bind. If they attack the Holy city it will be on social media in seconds. Muuse Bixi and his regime will face charges of genocide and crimes against humanity.

[mahoka]

Khalid you are correct in your analysis.......however, things on the ground have changed. The tectonic plates have shifted against being part of SL and towards an autonomous SSC state of Somalia.

A lot of the new found political fervour is mostly based on emotion and tribalism, which doesn't bode well for the future. The fact still remains that the people have rejected SL......it will be impossible for any Dhulbahante leader to openly support SL without being deposed.

I really can't see a way back for SL. Attacking the Holy city and slaughtering its inhabitants is not a feasible option.

Khalid is just invested in biixi government due to tribalism but he is lying, isaaq subclans see samaroon as countrymen while we see dhulbahante as captured territory and no eastern darod would ever be given important position (specially after 2009 when ogaden and kdf invaded Somalia) there is no trust. In fact, most isaaq would be ok with samaroon or ciise becoming president rather than their isaaq rivals- this is why Dahir riyaale was the man for garxajis

Dhulo and warsangeli will be part of the negotiation package between hargeisa and Mogadishu in the future


In the meantime, the gov should leave them alone and focus on pro SL communities of sool such as hj hy and fiqishni.

Biixi the donkey is politically destroyed by this tho, this is why Khalid is in denial. A reer samatar monkey like biixi was found out to have no balls, all the tough talk and nothing came of it / we love to see it. Qudhmiye is dead

So what do u want us to do. To killl all dhulbahantes and then. Take over their land. That will never last or willl last for mahlube a few years but not in the long run I don’t see how that can work

Simple really, biixi must go. New president whoever he is must come in sit down with Mogadishu and start negotiations this nonsense about colonial borders won’t work. If this option is not on the table for hargeisa elites, simply unleash the army on the region and capture both the dhulo and warsangeli and start shelling garowe. This current model will never work. My preference is number 1 since we have to be honest, no darod in SL will ever be trusted in a critical political post due to their actions (amisom, Ethiopia Kenya etc) - also the first option allows us to deport all darod migrants and ban them from our lands which will put pressure on our real competition the hawiye - they (darod) will be forced to turn to Mogadishu, move there and ask for more handouts from Mogadishu gov - we would essentially be opening a new political and social front on Hawiye

[mahoka]

By SL refusing to work with the moderates and choosing corrupt politicians and strongmen to subdue the people, you have left the way open for the extremists.

Today moderate voices have been silenced and the field abandoned to the extremists.

SL is throwing a ton load of money at the problem to no avail. They are in a bind. If they attack the Holy city it will be on social media in seconds. Muuse Bixi and his regime will face charges of genocide and crimes against humanity.

Lot of babble, just be man enough and admit it’s all about darod vs isaaq and nothing SL does will ever change it. We know each other, we both know dhulo is the tribe that hates isaaq more than anyone else in darod which I respect, isaaq’s retarded policy of trying to win the hearts and minds of darod has failed.

There is no such thing as dhulo moderate, that is code for “we couldn’t get anything from garowe and we certainly couldn’t get anything from Mogadishu so we had to grovel back to the hargeisa fools”


Isaaq has to understand, it’s obsession with aqoonsi has blinded it to everything else, the glorious youth have seen thru the fog now so we shall see how this goes in the future

[skywalker25]

By SL refusing to work with the moderates and choosing corrupt politicians and strongmen to subdue the people, you have left the way open for the extremists.

Today moderate voices have been silenced and the field abandoned to the extremists.

SL is throwing a ton load of money at the problem to no avail. They are in a bind. If they attack the Holy city it will be on social media in seconds. Muuse Bixi and his regime will face charges of genocide and crimes against humanity.

Lot of babble, just be man enough and admit it’s all about darod vs isaaq and nothing SL does will ever change it. We know each other, we both know dhulo is the tribe that hates isaaq more than anyone else in darod which I respect, isaaq’s retarded policy of trying to win the hearts and minds of darod has failed.

There is no such thing as dhulo moderate, that is code for “we couldn’t get anything from garowe and we certainly couldn’t get anything from Mogadishu so we had to grovel back to the hargeisa fools”


Isaaq has to understand, it’s obsession with aqoonsi has blinded it to everything else, the glorious youth have seen thru the fog now so we shall see how this goes in the future

[Khalid Ali]

Somaliland is not going to negotiate about its territory it will never do that and also. No one in Mogadishu cares about having half of sool and half of sanaag. It. It not gonne work. Like that. This plan works zero engaging and not antogaising dhulbahante I wouldn’t even mind having a special zone for dhulbahante under somaliland with their own flag and. And distinct Police force all for all to have a unified somaliland republic where ever is happy

[original dervish]

You should have thought about that before.
Now it's too late.

[Khalid Ali]

It’s never to late the altarnative for dhulbahante is worse if we remove somaliland and that is the truth if siilaanyo made peace with reer buhoodle after five year of clan wars between hj and dhulbahante hawd and xaglatooosiye joined the somaliland republic on his own free will I don’t see how laascanood is different where there has been. No wars over grazing land between isaaq and dhulbahante Nogualeeed. U will see ur self in a few weeks time when the dust settles

[Isseayaanle]

Khalid you are correct in your analysis.......however, things on the ground have changed. The tectonic plates have shifted against being part of SL and towards an autonomous SSC state of Somalia.

A lot of the new found political fervour is mostly based on emotion and tribalism, which doesn't bode well for the future. The fact still remains that the people have rejected SL......it will be impossible for any Dhulbahante leader to openly support SL without being deposed.

I really can't see a way back for SL. Attacking the Holy city and slaughtering its inhabitants is not a feasible option.

What I don’t understand is what have we ever done to your people for ur people. To have contempt or even this isaaq phobia and fear all I hear on social media iidoor are killing us apart from the xudun killings and the kalshaale. War. There have been zee incidents involved between isaaq and dhulbahante zero. Also. The entire uprise in laascanood was due to killing of dhulbahante by dhulbahante and then being blamed on the sl govt alll the people killed in laascanood were so called people allied or worked for the somaliland govt how on earth did we kill them
The diaspora are still in the 1990s. Civil war and still think it’s going on it’s going the the right direction now. Everything is calm. Now

Don’t ask OG this question ask yourselves. Saxib there is a reason Harti and Samaroon still want somalia with all its problems. For warsangali and DULBHANTE you show hatred and cuqdad towards them and you hate Daarods. You also keep screaming IRRIR samaale bullshit and the Claim Arab the next day. Your hate for Daarod in general is the reason warsangali and DULBHANTE want nothing to do with you. For Samaroon, you used tplf/mengestu and killed 3,000 innocent civilians in a matter of week simply for supporting Somalia. And then you try to Diver attention by claiming that never happened and you used Djabouti government to subjugate them politically. For DULBHANTE we know what happened in Khasaale. You also, keep allying with hawiye and disrespecting the very people you want to be with you and are your neighbors. Finally, you share the whole Somaliland government by only two sub clabs of Idoors (Habar awal/Jeclo) not even garaxaajis xataa who did the majority of the work in the beginning. You flooded people with misinformation and hatred and then you realize why after 30+ years they want nothing to do with you, and would rather be with failed state of Somalia.

[original dervish]

The government is mostly Sacad Muuse.....even hj are lucky to get any significant positions.

Nobody should try a incite hatred between brotherly clans.

The crisis in Lascaanood is purely political.....we have no issues with the iidoors.

There should be a political solution.
SL should be given some concessions to allow them to withdraw and safe face.

[Isseayaanle]

The government is mostly Sacad Muuse.....even hj are lucky to get any significant positions.

Nobody should try a incite hatred between brotherly clans.

The crisis in Lascaanood is purely political.....we have no issues with the iidoors.

There should be a political solution.
SL should be given some concessions to allow them to withdraw and safe face.

No it’s f-king not “just political” you idiot. You must be related to Ina kaahin or koore. Or is the sub-sub clan of DULBHANTE that pleases Idoors after $ is given to them to subjugate their own people. Why do you think majority of Awdal still wants nothing to do with the triangle project? Why do you think Garaxaajis is extremely frustrated? Why do you think reer buuhodle want nothing to do with idoor triangle money despite the region being harshly, Underdeveloped? Why did warsangi told numerous times to the triangle project to “fuck off” because all these people I mentioned were nothing to do with something that’s built on HATRED, CORRUPTION, FEAR, INSTIGATION, PROPAGANDA, ETC. If your uncle or subclan leader is a two dollar hoe for the Triangle project, the rest of DULBHANTE, Samaroon, Graxaajis, Warsangali don’t want nothing to do with this 30 year failed project.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

The government is mostly Sacad Muuse.....even hj are lucky to get any significant positions.

Nobody should try a incite hatred between brotherly clans.

The crisis in Lascaanood is purely political.....we have no issues with the iidoors.

There should be a political solution.
SL should be given some concessions to allow them to withdraw and safe face.

It should. They infringe on our freedoms and tried to impose their will on me infringing on my freedom to be my own. I don’t care about that. Leave me alone. You made that mistake of hubris. The best solution is go on our separate ways. They tried to blackball me for two years. Sorry but I’m not interested in being gatekept

[original dervish]

If you want to fight the iidoors buy a ticket and fly to SL.
Why are you inciting violence from the safety of the west?

You are a hateful coward.....the worse kinda of coward.
Stop trying to ride our di cks into battle.
It's time for you to hold your own nuts.