Abudwak is prepared to "withdraw" from Galmudug in the event of HAG standing in front of SSC.

[original dervish]

The SSC nascent state of Somalia will be based upon Dhulbahante land. It makes no difference if you claim we are 15%, 10% or even 5%....its not like we need to consult iidoors......we have the right of self determination.

In reality SSC will be based around the main cities and town of Dhulbahante......there is no dispute.
The borders and grazing lands will be left to reer badiye and Somali xeer to manage.

You have no veto over SSC.....we are in the process of establishing our state of Somalia.
Tyrant Bixi is the last bite of a dying dog.

[OwQariib]

If we apply this logic that some parts of Galmudug is on shabaab and it nullifies their federal status. Then what about the so called jubbaland. Which is only one city state controlled by an Ogaden men with kikiyu muscle . But the rest of the country side is part of shabaab one could say that .

As for ssc it’s a non started the sool and sanaag regions are isaaq territories only two districts is lived by the qurjiiles in sool the other two belongs to isaaq

Cayn is non existent
And much of the sub districts of the so called Cayn belongs to isaaq habarjeclo coodanle balicalanle qorilugud

Sanaag qurjile shaqo kuma laha it’s a majority Gadhweyne region with also muse abokor welke presented and in the Easter district of badhan there is wasakhgali. 85 percent of sanaag is isaaq
Where as 65 percent of soool is isaaq

The districts that belong to the qurjiiles is also in our hand
My my o my it feels good to be the mighty iidoor

Voltage u sheega cabuuudwaaq haday itooobiya ku biirto Galmudug Waxba u dhimi mayso hahah

Well said sxb. The brother Gubbet is being quite dishonest about Galmudug districts and its history. My clan were in Gaalkacyo 2006 alongside Sacad, Dir and Sheekhaal some of the first people who helped create the state when it was just Baraxlay and Hobyo so to say dhulka ay leeyihiin dadkii dhisay kuma raacsana Galmudug is wrong. I can disagree with maamulka but i am not against it conceptually. I would advocate moving my election seat to another region if the maamul didn't cooperate and that is exactly what happened with Dir in Towfiiq who moved to Galmudug side. Also, he somehow forgot to mention Mudug has 5 districts and Galmudug and Puntland have a majority of 2.5 districts each. Where he mentions Saaxo as southwest Gaalkacyo and considered a PL territory is cancelled out by the Sheekhaal in Jariiban that are part of Galmudug or the Sacad that have tuulos in Goldogob. Dhulka waa la wada leeyahay and that's why i even supported Dhulbahante to rejoin Puntland like pre 2007. If MX want to declare a seperation i don't think anyone will lose a day of sleep. Dhulka awalbuu Itoobiya ku teedsana mise Galgaduud Sare State ayaa tafiirtiisa weli la haya

[skywalker25]

Take it easy on Voltage his give from; “we have Eastern Europe connect” that will bring weapons, the like we have never seen on those troubles iidoors. To the war is on phases, I forgot what phase are on. But the special elite army from cubudwaaq has not been activated, yet. To now threatening to leave Galmudug state in protest. What happened? I’m lost. I really don’t understand any of this. The plan was see u in las anood. Simple

[eliteSomali]

I mean Abudwak watched as habar gidir turned galmudug into a family enterprise. The region has had 6 president and all have been habar gidir. If that didn't make yall withdraw from the state, you ain't going no where.

[Gubbet]

I am afraid you are being dishonest Owqariib.

1. Puntland, even without SSC or Mudug Region is BARI AND NUGAL.

Puntland is a legitimate Federal State according to the rules agreed to. North Mudug to Puntland is about their rights, it is not about the RESPONSIBILITY on them for fulfilling the obligations before them.

2. Galmudug even if you gift it all Galgduud is in BREACH of the RESPONSIBILITY required for fulfilling the federal state requirements.

3. Finally Galmudug's legitimacy was never dependent on Hawiye or Irir or even all of Galgaduud. Galmudug's legitimacy was made possible by TWO DAROD CLANS;

-Marehan
-Majerten

The first who blessed her legitimacy when the transition ended and the state needed that do or die recognition from Caabudwaaq to be implicated as a Federal Member State with right of representation in the Senate.

HSM knows exactly how complicated this was.

For over a year and half starting 2013, Abdikarem Guled personally put in charge of the HSM side negotiated intensely with Caabudwaaq led by Sh Ibrahim Guureeye the Marehan supreme commander of Ahlu Sunnah since formation in 2007. By late 2014 they had an agreement and in early 2015 Rer Caabudwaaq officially dissolved Ahlu Sunnah and Sh Ibrahim Guureeye signed the merger with Galmudug represented by Abdikarim Guled. She Gureeye renounced his title as Supreme Head of Ahlu Sunnah and since then Caabudwaaq recognized Galmudug. [Sh Shakir and all this Cayr implicated Ahlu Sunnah results from the dissolution in Caabudwaaq.]

Galmudug became an officially recognized State since then and participated in the Upper House formation while Marehan and Caabudwaaq have continued to enjoy their legitimately negotiated dispensation (money division, VP, not less than 65% apportionment in MPs v. HG, equal number of ministers as HG, etc).

2. But even before legitimacy, recall it was Majeerteen as Punland under Faroole that did not object when even relevance was attached to Caalin Galmudug to participate in Garowe I and II. Puntland at that time was not expressing recognition of Cali Galmudug and nor the international community invitation predicated on being a state---Calin Galmudug was invited along with Sh Awlibaax Ahlu Sunna based in Dollow, Gedo or really he was the Marehan needed signator.


But all of this to say DAROD gave Galmudug the very VENEER of legitimacy which it barely sustains.

In particular, TWO DAROD subclans called Marehan and Majerten are both with the whistle that were it to be blown YANKS Galmudug out of the present farcical dream to contextualize her glaring Achilles Hill fatally delegitimizing its existence.

Darod has not up to know INTERJECTED or brought an ARGUMENT against Galmudug---but they willand they are united in this agreement were any dishonest mutterings to confront SSC when the time comes to prosecute her case.

Recall, as long as MX is implicated in Galmudug, MJ wouldn't have brought a challenge to bear as it would be self-administered political mistake and Marehan does not interfere in any of the "Galmudug v Puntland" stand off in Mudug as it is not their business---

---but were Marehan and Majerten in sync to institute a challenge with Marehan withdrawing and Majerten refusing to sit at the FMS table with Galmudug---the "state" of Galmudug would be less existent than goblins and monsters.

[theyuusuf143]

I mean Abudwak watched as habar gidir turned galmudug into a family enterprise. The region has had 6 president and all have been habar gidir. If that didn't make yall withdraw from the state, you ain't going no where.

To be fair , I don't think they deserve the vice presidency it self. That position should belong to Murarsade or Dir. Or Even sheekhaal and abgaal . Mareexaan territory contributes zero to the economy of galmudug. It's a useless border line territory. And it's hard to control. Caabudwaaq is the buuhoodle version of the south. It will never add any thing positive to the galmudug state . Waxan Ka baqaya in mareexaan iyo dhulmahantahe cirka iyo dhulkuba diidaaan. Mareexaan imika galmudug iyo jubaland midna kama mid aha. Dhuloosna waa la mid oo somaliland iyo puntland toona maaha. Waxay beri samaad kii xamar Ku barteen bay Ku mameen labadaaa laangaab. Haloogu dhaarto xamartu Tay yaqaayeen maaha. Dameera Ku habsaday.

[Gubbet]

Yusuf, you seem constipated. Cidii calooshoodu ay fadhiisato waa cudur adiguna biyo-xireen ayeyba isku badashay taaduye--- Walaaloow, oradoo qashinka iska soo xaaq walle iyo billa oran maysid laylama taline.

Btw I forgot to add some pictorials in my previous post;

1. Ahlu Sunnah/Caabudwaaq merger with Galmudug in 2015

Galmudug iyo Ahlu Sunna oo heshiiyey

August 27, 2015


Heshiiska ayaa waxaa kala saxiixday madaxweynaha Galmudug Cabdikariim Xuseen Guuleed iyo guddoomiyaha saddexda gole ee Ahlu-Sunna Sheekh Ibraahim Guureeye.

https://www.voasomali.com/a/galmudug-iy ... 34495.html

2. A little synopsis previous written giving an overview of why Marehan had been implicated as "Ahlu Sunnah" or "Ahlu Sade" from 2007-2015 in both Jubba/Gedo and Caabudwaaq/Mudug;


AWLIBAAX is the man WHO WOKE UP the Marehan Ahlu Sunnah political organization that formed in Gedo FIGHTING AL ITIXAD in the 90's---the Shabab threat was new Al Itihad and that's how they REKINDLED the POLITICAL organization joked as "Ahlu Sade wal Jamaca".

Awlibaax went to Ethiopia and asked for WEAPONS. They said THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW from the 90s and international war on terror is complex, go to the Americans and get recognition first.

AWLIBAAX then convened the Marehan political apparatus that used to be known as SNF. He said war maraykaynka waa inaan la hadalno ee waan idin baahanahay (your political expertise)...THIS IS HOW ALL OF MAREHAN CAME TO BE UNDER AHLU SUNNAH NAME EVEN BARRE HIIRAALE.

Marehan went to Americans and reached a deal and a COMPLEX RECOGNITION that would free AHLU SUNNAH from the arms embargo and keep their fighting identity independent from the corrupt and non-existent TFG army (separate clan militias) was reached. This is why Ahlu Sunnah has NEVER been sanctioned under the Arms Embargo.

Read countless monitoring reports on the arms embargo, countless leaked cables from wikileaks, public policy papers from international partners, etc.

1. The simple trajectory of Ahlu Sunnah CENTRAL that even made it relevant was because it was a PROXY made possible by Marehan political apparatus.

1. Cayrow and Shabaab captured Dhusamareb without gunshot
2. alarmed reer Caabudwaaq reached out to Ahlu Sunnah Gedo which was just waking up after having disbanded following Al Itihad defeat in late 90's
3. Sh AWLIBAAX was reconfiguring Ahlu Sunnah Koonfureed in Dollow, Gedo...which was the only southern district outside of Villa Somalia free from Shabaab
4. Sh AWLIBAAX WENT TO CAABUDWAAQ and set up Ahlu Sunnah Gobalada dhexe with Sh Guureeye (Marehan)
5. Ahlu Sunnah Gobalada Dhexe was formally announced in CAABUDWAAQ by Sh Guureeye, Xeefoow (Cayr), and Macalin Maxamed (Dir, Fiqi Muxumed)
6. Ahlu Sunnah NATIONALLY from late 2008 to 2015 had THIS ORGANIZATION
   1. Ahlu Sunnah/Southern ruled from Dollow, Gedo was recognized to be preeminent to Ahlu Sunnah Central
      1. This is why Sh AWLIBAAX always repped Ahlu Sunnah in international conference including the framework and the ending of the transition
      2. He repped them BECAUSE HE GOT THE STAMP THAT LEGITIMIZED THEM AS FRIENDLY ARMED COMBTANTS
   2. Also a power sharing system was agreed to for Ahlu Sunnah Central between Marehan, Cayr, and Dir
      1. Marehan ---- Gudoomiyaha Sedexda Gole ahna Gudoomiyaha Guud
         1. Sh Guureeye ---- 2007-2011
         2. Prof Labo-Garre ---- 2011-2012
         3. Sh Guureeye ---- 2012-2015
            
            1. In 2015, Marehan led by Sh Guureeye engaged in internationally backed merger with Galmudug under Abdikareem Guuleed
               
            2. Marehan as a clan formally withdrew from Ahlu Sunnah
      2. Cayr ---- Gudoomiyaha Golaha Fulinta
      3. Dir/Fiqi Muxumud ---- Gudoomiyaha Golaha Taladda
      4. Rotating clans ---- Gudoomiyaha Golaha Marjaca

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 9#p4971187

[Gubbet]

It is so ironic that this brief look at Ahlu Sunnah implicated in contextualizing the larger history of this topic very ironically shows how unserious even "naive" if not downright foolish the view expressed by Yusuf.

Yusuf, what you "think' about this is "ignorance."

Recent history in such a prominent storyline shows the"value", the "resource", the "significance", the "worth", the "weight"----in short, the "UTILITY " of "Marehan" as a social unit within this geography as well as nationally in Somalia cited even consistently as one of the most distinct warranties of disproportionate weight situated within the communities of Somalia.

Shut your yapping walaal. You sound green-eyed.

I predict "HAG" especially of the "Hobyo" variety will be disengaging from non-sense directed at SSC the more the reality of what this topic implicates is understood by them very clearly and unmistakeably.

[noer]

If we apply this logic that some parts of Galmudug is on shabaab and it nullifies their federal status. Then what about the so called jubbaland. Which is only one city state controlled by an Ogaden men with kikiyu muscle . But the rest of the country side is part of shabaab one could say that .

As for ssc it’s a non started the sool and sanaag regions are isaaq territories only two districts is lived by the qurjiiles in sool the other two belongs to isaaq

Cayn is non existent
And much of the sub districts of the so called Cayn belongs to isaaq habarjeclo coodanle balicalanle qorilugud

Sanaag qurjile shaqo kuma laha it’s a majority Gadhweyne region with also muse abokor welke presented and in the Easter district of badhan there is wasakhgali. 85 percent of sanaag is isaaq
Where as 65 percent of soool is isaaq

The districts that belong to the qurjiiles is also in our hand
My my o my it feels good to be the mighty iidoor

Voltage u sheega cabuuudwaaq haday itooobiya ku biirto Galmudug Waxba u dhimi mayso hahah

Well said sxb. The brother Gubbet is being quite dishonest about Galmudug districts and its history. My clan were in Gaalkacyo 2006 alongside Sacad, Dir and Sheekhaal some of the first people who helped create the state when it was just Baraxlay and Hobyo so to say dhulka ay leeyihiin dadkii dhisay kuma raacsana Galmudug is wrong. I can disagree with maamulka but i am not against it conceptually. I would advocate moving my election seat to another region if the maamul didn't cooperate and that is exactly what happened with Dir in Towfiiq who moved to Galmudug side. Also, he somehow forgot to mention Mudug has 5 districts and Galmudug and Puntland have a majority of 2.5 districts each. Where he mentions Saaxo as southwest Gaalkacyo and considered a PL territory is cancelled out by the Sheekhaal in Jariiban that are part of Galmudug or the Sacad that have tuulos in Goldogob. Dhulka waa la wada leeyahay and that's why i even supported Dhulbahante to rejoin Puntland like pre 2007. If MX want to declare a seperation i don't think anyone will lose a day of sleep. Dhulka awalbuu Itoobiya ku teedsana mise Galgaduud Sare State ayaa tafiirtiisa weli la haya

go on







everytime ur supposed to dig urself out of the shegate hole, u dig deeper.

interesting story for our fictional karanle hawiya. a nigga who supports fms n governors having more power against every federal president. pro liyu police arresting hawiya governors. he also wants to expand magertenland. unique kinda hawiya more likely a shegate



what really has me floored is ur obsessed wit idoor n marehan issues

[theyuusuf143]

It is so ironic that this brief look at Ahlu Sunnah implicated in contextualizing the larger history of this topic very ironically shows how unserious even "naive" if not downright foolish the view expressed by Yusuf.

Yusuf, what you "think' about this is "ignorance."

Recent history in such a prominent storyline shows the"value", the "resource", the "significance", the "worth", the "weight"----in short, the "UTILITY " of "Marehan" as a social unit within this geography as well as nationally in Somalia cited even consistently as one of the most distinct warranties of disproportionate weight situated within the communities of Somalia.

Shut your yapping walaal. You sound green-eyed.

I predict "HAG" especially of the "Hobyo" variety will be disengaging from non-sense directed at SSC the more the reality of what this topic implicates is understood by them very clearly and unmistakeably.

Marehan contributes nothing to galmudug. Wxuunbad noo sheegtay in aad xitaa urur diimeedkii aad qabyaaladeyseen oo aad ahlu sunna Ka garab furateen ahlu sade. Galmudug qaabkay hada u taal , waxa ugu muhiimsan waa jid nabad oo xamar taga , iyo xeebta oo ay maalgashadaan , Habar gidir agtooda waxad Ka tahay , shimbir maroodi saaran. Hadaad duusho iyo hadaad joogtaba culays kuma hayso. You have no leverage on them. Dhulmahante ayaad laba dhibcood kasii liidataan. Markaynu run isu sheegno.

[FarhanYare]

If you have that sort authority - which I don’t think you do - then they must removing you. It makes no sense. They reality is you’re a hostage dabacadar. This Galmudug plane will take off with u willingly or unwillingly. You wouldn’t dare open up a front with the hags now. The HAG need to put this tribal nonsense down and raise a HAG army cause sooner or later the day of colllevtion will come with Darod.

Darod to Hawiye = I want Federalism. Now.

Hawiye = ok

Darod = No i want Federalism that serves Darod ONLY.

Hawiye = that's not possible

Darod = Nothing will work until you give me what i want

Hawiye = come and get it

Darod has left the chat.

what he said.This!

[FarhanYare]

If SSC whom is shared amongst several clans including fiqishinni cayr gets federal recognition which in my opinion should if majority of locals there want to. However, i feel as though it doesn't stop there with the greed exhibited by certain qabil obsessed folks, they will end up claiming stakes in the 2 hawiye fed states. Jubaland is predominently hawiye but to make them happy we allowed them to have one state other the barren up north called Puntland. And now we can't even federalize Mogadishu according to them thats shared place. They want federalism but only want what they dictate. No wonder iidoor had enough of darood iyo qaaskood.

[FarhanYare]

faqash dont come for me iidoor iska dhiciya

[Sauron]

If SSC whom is shared amongst several clans including fiqishinni cayr gets federal recognition which in my opinion should if majority of locals there want to. However, i feel as though it doesn't stop there with the greed exhibited by certain qabil obsessed folks, they will end up claiming stakes in the 2 hawiye fed states. Jubaland is predominently hawiye but to make them happy we allowed them to have one state other the barren up north called Puntland. And now we can't even federalize Mogadishu according to them thats shared place. They want federalism but only want what they dictate. No wonder iidoor had enough of darood iyo qaaskood.

sxb if you guys truly cared about putting an end to doofar ismail, you will be supportive of Somaliland going it's separate way, not that it changes anything on the ground and with our ambitions but it is what it is. and no im not looking at this from an irir perspective bs since I don't believe in it.

[theyuusuf143]

If SSC whom is shared amongst several clans including fiqishinni cayr gets federal recognition which in my opinion should if majority of locals there want to. However, i feel as though it doesn't stop there with the greed exhibited by certain qabil obsessed folks, they will end up claiming stakes in the 2 hawiye fed states. Jubaland is predominently hawiye but to make them happy we allowed them to have one state other the barren up north called Puntland. And now we can't even federalize Mogadishu according to them thats shared place. They want federalism but only want what they dictate. No wonder iidoor had enough of darood iyo qaaskood.

And they will never stop , just take look at the fake empty names they created over the years , khaatumo , maakhir , bakool sare , galgaduud sare , cayn , ogaadenia. Gedo, administration Somali wax wada lehna ma doonayan yaguna wax ma wada laha. Waa cali baysteen waran iyo qaanso la ordaya.

Weligeed xitaa dhul daarood Dego iyo gancsi ay abuureen midna dawlad soomaliyeed ma cashuurin. Kenya iyo Ethiopia na waa caynkaas dhulkoodu dawladuhu waxba kama helaan. Yaga ayuunba la quudiya geeska Africa meel kasta oo ay kaga nool yihiin. Awood military oo ay xitaa leeyihiin na ma jirto , baraha bulshada bay somalinimo aan dhab Ka ahayn Ku dawarsadaan.